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Re: Who is going to see 'Promethius'?

Postby Jiffy » Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:47 am

I thought it was good, but not GREAT. There are some stellar scenes in the movie, but some of it just feels...hollow to me I suppose. The cast wasn't nearly as enjoyable as Alien/Aliens (though Fassbender is outstanding). Well worth seeing still, and in theatres to boot. It's not an action movie, but just some shots looked great on the big screen.
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Re: Who is going to see 'Promethius'?

Postby noxiousdog » Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:24 am

Jiffy wrote:I thought it was good, but not GREAT. There are some stellar scenes in the movie, but some of it just feels...hollow to me I suppose. The cast wasn't nearly as enjoyable as Alien/Aliens (though Fassbender is outstanding). Well worth seeing still, and in theatres to boot. It's not an action movie, but just some shots looked great on the big screen.


I agree. Definitely a movie to see with a crowd. I don't think it has re-watchability though. I did like the ending alot.
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Re: Who is going to see 'Promethius'?

Postby JSHAW » Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:57 am

My wife and I saw it friday afternoon, which NEVER happens. My mother-in-law kept our daughter, wife took 1/2 day off work and we
went.

I liked Prometheus alot, more than my wife. After the movie was over we talked about it on the drive home, she loved poking holes all in the plot.
I loved arguing with her over my take on her pin-pricking the holes in the plot. :lol:

To say it's not a prequel to Alien is all semantics in my opinion. There ARE items within Prometheus that link the movies together, the glue that binds them.
They ARE linked, whether you believe that or not, they are part of the ALIEN mythology now. 1 specific point is the very last scene. There are more, but I'll close the case on it with the final scene.

My feeling is that if you're a fan of the movie Alien you HAVE to see this movie, IN the theater. There are shots that look so cool and EPIC that it HAS
to be seen on a large screen to appreciate this movie. More than you'll appreciate it on your flat-screen at home, UNLESS you have a screen that's 60"
or more.

I've never seen a movie in IMAX 3D, so I think I"m going by myself on sunday to see it again. My wife can't do 3D, so we saw it in regular 2D.
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Re: Who is going to see 'Promethius'?

Postby Sudy Nym » Sat Jun 09, 2012 7:47 am

This is a visually engrossing film. It is also an intellectually stimulating film, at least when considering individual elements rather than the whole. I would say that while Avengers was a much better film, I found Prometheus more memorable.

But the story is far from perfect. It at times seems like the plot lacks a logical framework. Maybe it's just been too long since I saw Alien?

Spoiler:
I know there's got to be a reason, but I can't figure out why Young Magneto Data and Obviously Not Really An Old Man decided to impregnate Dr. Shaw with the alien. How was this intrinsic to their agenda? How did they know what was going to be in the vases, or how to use it? Were they really betting the two scientists would make love before infected Bland Dude self-destructed?

But sure, it was awesome.

The acting and characterization varies from stellar to perfunctory. The script is never anything special.

Spoiler:
At first I thought they'd cast Fassbender as the old man, also. This would make sense considering his relationship with the android. It would also excuse the great but fooling-nobody makeup. Why in the world did they choose to use Guy Pearce this way? Does he have some secret senior-portraying talent I'm unaware of? This role needed the gravitas of... oh, John Hurt or Ian Holm? How about Harry Dean Stanton? Yeah, I guess that would have caused a quantum rip or something. But you know, an actual elderly, stately actor.
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Re: Who is going to see 'Promethius'?

Postby Ariana_FFD » Sat Jun 09, 2012 8:54 am

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Re: Who is going to see 'Promethius'?

Postby Holman » Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:31 am

I was going to drive by here and throw out a post like "NEEDS MOARE YAPHET KOTTO!!" But first I had to make sure I could spell "Yaphet Kotto."

Thank you, internet! How else would I have learned today that Yaphet Kotto "claims to have uncovered proof that he is the great-great-great-grandson of Britain's Queen Victoria" or that he announced himself as a candidate for President in 2008?
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Re: Who is going to see 'Promethius'?

Postby JSHAW » Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:35 am

Sudy Nym, here are a couple of responses to comments you made about story/plot. I didn't want to take the chance of trying to copy/paste your spoilers, get it wrong and have people see what they might not want to see, so I only inserted my comments on the two items you mentioned.

Spoiler:
Why did David spike Holloway's drink with material from the vase? I think he did it to see what would happen, his own little genetic science project. I don't think David had any idea that Shaw and Holloway were going to have sex, and the Alien genetic material would infect her as well. The impregnation of Shaw was as much a suprise to David as it was to her when it was revealed on the scan. It was a BONUS, but overall it was just a small side project for David to see the results would look like. He knew something was going to happen, his curious android operating system wanted to SEE the end result.

The one thing about David that really had me asking myself questions during the movie was his behavior when he got to the Pyramid. He knew how to read the language, open the doorways, and had a very easy going attitude when it came to handling and messing around with the alien material at the site of the HUGE head in front of all the vases on the ground. It was like he was saying to himself, "hey look at this, I think I'll touch this and see what it does". But it was also like David knew more than anyone else about the "agenda" of Weyland, which to me seemed to be "do whatever you feel is best to find out as much as you can about the Engineer's and get me a meeting with the Creator(s)"


Spoiler:
Using Guy Pearce as Weyland, I think they went that route because they filmed the TED talk with Pearce in which he is young Peter Weyland, and because from the time of that talk until the time of Prometheus landing alot of years had passed, Weyland has aged to old man. All the actors that you mention, well, they're old now, seems that it would be pretty difficult to make Harry Dean Stanton be a young Peter Weyland, then switch him to Old Peter Weyland.
I do agree, the makeup job for Old Peter Weyland, how someone decided that it looked convincing?, wow. Maybe in the future that's how old geezers look, but I still feel the makeup job could have been done better.
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Re: Who is going to see 'Promethius'?

Postby Ariana_FFD » Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:55 am

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Re: Who is going to see 'Promethius'?

Postby killbot737 » Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:57 pm

Really good movie, 3 problems I had with it (I suppose I could spoiler it, but they aren't really major plot points here):

That geologist was brain damaged during hypersleep.

Jump across a chasm and slam your guts on the other side after what just happened? There's no way you'd hold on.

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Re: Who is going to see 'Promethius'?

Postby Zekester » Sat Jun 09, 2012 8:04 pm

I've never seen an IMAX movie, and I want to see this movie really bad tonight.

Should i go see it in IMAX?

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Re: Who is going to see 'Promethius'?

Postby Ariana_FFD » Sat Jun 09, 2012 8:06 pm

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Re: Who is going to see 'Promethius'?

Postby Sudy Nym » Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:23 pm

Thanks for your replies JSHAW. I'd heard something about the TED involvement, and that makes more sense. "Curiosity" being the answer to the first question actually suits the character in question very well. I was just hoping for more.

Zekester, this would be a fantastic film to see in IMAX. Just be warned, I haven't cared for experiences in which the IMAX screen is so big, or you're so close to it, that you can't see the whole picture at once. IMAX screen sizes vary though; this may not be a problem at your local one.
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Re: Who is going to see 'Promethius'?

Postby Zekester » Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:24 pm

Sudy Nym wrote:Thanks for your replies JSHAW. I'd heard something about the TED involvement, and that makes more sense. "Curiosity" being the answer to the first question actually suits the character in question very well. I was just hoping for more.

Zekester, this would be a fantastic film to see in IMAX. Just be warned, I haven't cared for experiences in which the IMAX screen is so big, or you're so close to it, that you can't see the whole picture at once. IMAX screen sizes vary though; this may not be a problem at your local one.


Thanks.

I usually sit at the very back in a regular theater for this same reason, so i'll try that tonight.

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Re: Who is going to see 'Promethius'?

Postby nasai » Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:05 pm

Zekester wrote:I've never seen an IMAX movie, and I want to see this movie really bad tonight.

Should i go see it in IMAX?

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Re: Who is going to see 'Promethius'?

Postby Zekester » Sun Jun 10, 2012 12:53 am

Ok, that kicked ass in IMAX. Oh, and it was 3D as well.
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Re: Who is going to see 'Promethius'?

Postby Little Raven » Sun Jun 10, 2012 3:38 am

Ok, I just got back.

It's good. Really good. The cinematography is beautiful, of course. The acting is solid, the chills are good, and Elizabeth Shaw is one hell of a character.

Spoiler:
But I don't understand anything about what actually happened. Why did the Engineer kill himself at the beginning? And why do they hate us so much? And if they do hate us so much, why didn't they kill us when we were busy worshiping them and carving stone tablets thousands of years ago?
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Re: Who is going to see 'Promethius'?

Postby Sudy Nym » Sun Jun 10, 2012 4:12 am

Spoiler:
That's the big question in my mind. If you want to treat it as a MacGuffin, that's fine. But I was really bummed that the engineer didn't talk back to David. (Though we didn't know what David said, either.) I guess that would have made him less monstrous, and may not have resulted in Elizabeth making the choice to continue her search for them at the end. But it would have been nice to have just a little hint. It seemed so arbitrary.

My best guess was simple experimentation. The engineers didn't have an emotional connection to us as their creation; we were just a science experiment.

As for the engineer killing himself at the beginning, that was their method for seeding the planet with DNA/the building blocks of life. It was strange, but that's what made it so memorable. Maybe the guy was a clone? We don't know that he was a normal individual who was willing to sacrifice himself, though that idea is what made it so chilling to me.
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Re: Who is going to see 'Promethius'?

Postby TiLT » Sun Jun 10, 2012 5:22 am

About Guy Pearce, he was cast at a point where a scene with a young Peter Weyland was supposed to be in the movie. They figured it would be easier to age a young actor than to make an older actor look young. By the time they decided to cut that scene, Pearce was already cast. That's when they came up with the idea of the TED talk, to at least get some benefit out of the situation.
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Re: Who is going to see 'Promethius'?

Postby Zekester » Sun Jun 10, 2012 7:36 am

Spoiler:
The opening scene....ya, I assumed he sacrificed himself to plant the "seed".

And maybe the "engineer" at the end knew no one (but himself, of course) could leave there because of the alien threat? Though he was headed to earth to plant the aliens anyway :?

So is anyway thinking we'll see a spin-off movie about Shaw's findings?
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Re: Who is going to see 'Promethius'?

Postby Holman » Sun Jun 10, 2012 8:46 am

TiLT wrote:About Guy Pearce, he was cast at a point where a scene with a young Peter Weyland was supposed to be in the movie. They figured it would be easier to age a young actor than to make an older actor look young. By the time they decided to cut that scene, Pearce was already cast. That's when they came up with the idea of the TED talk, to at least get some benefit out of the situation.


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I wonder why they didn't just let an old man look relatively young by modern standards. In a world with this tech, shouldn't they have anti-aging treatments that leave you looking no more than a healthy 35 until your neurons fuse to concrete?

Or is aging thematic here, since it's Ridley Scott and it's a Body thing?
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Re: Who is going to see 'Promethius'?

Postby rshetts2 » Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:10 am

Havent seen the movie yet but I have to make a plea to Ariana_FFD. Could you please fix the spelling of Prometheus in your title. Im not generally a spelling nazi but every time I see that thread title, I cringe a little bit.
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Re: Who is going to see 'Promethius'?

Postby JSHAW » Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:41 am

rshetts2 wrote:Havent seen the movie yet but I have to make a plea to Ariana_FFD. Could you please fix the spelling of Prometheus in your title. Im not generally a spelling nazi but every time I see that thread title, I cringe a little bit.


I thought the same thing when I posted here yesterday. Great minds think alike. :D
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Re: Who is going to see 'Promethius'?

Postby pr0ner » Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:00 am

Little Raven wrote:Ok, I just got back.

It's good. Really good. The cinematography is beautiful, of course. The acting is solid, the chills are good, and Elizabeth Shaw is one hell of a character.

Spoiler:
But I don't understand anything about what actually happened. Why did the Engineer kill himself at the beginning? And why do they hate us so much? And if they do hate us so much, why didn't they kill us when we were busy worshiping them and carving stone tablets thousands of years ago?


To answer your second question (DO NOT READ if you haven't seen the movie):

Spoiler:
According to Ridley Scott, it's because Jesus Christ was an engineer sent to put humans back on the right track, and when humans crucified him, the engineers got pissed and wanted to exterminate humans.
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Re: Who is going to see 'Promethius'?

Postby Ariana_FFD » Sun Jun 10, 2012 12:01 pm

rshetts2 wrote:Havent seen the movie yet but I have to make a plea to Ariana_FFD. Could you please fix the spelling of Prometheus in your title. Im not generally a spelling nazi but every time I see that thread title, I cringe a little bit.



Oh I can do that! I think it would be disrespectful to Mr. Scott not to do so....""*noted/changed!


We live in about 30 minutes to go to the movie. BTW it is running 3 hours by schedule, does anyone think it ran too long or could use more time to make the story clear?

We watched the original last night... it was on Showtime, and amazingly there was additional footage! At the end where Ripley is doing the final check to release the shuttle she finds Captain Dallas and another member of the crew (*blond man, indistinct) entombed in the alien resin! I swear I have seen this movie over 100 times over the years and never remember this portion!!! Dallas begs her to kill him (*reminiscent of Alien Resurrection where she finds her clone), and she burns the resin wall that he is in.

Anyway, without spoiling it, do they explain why the Space jockey has all those thousands of eggs in the cargo? Or did they just skip over that? One last thing, in the interview and info in the HBO First Look, they say it is a moon orbiting a large gas giant. But in the original movie they said it was a planetoid. Just stood out for some reason. And the Moon/Planetoid looks a lot different in each installment. I'm a bit like rshetts2, in inconsistencies like that.

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Re: Who is going to see 'Prometheus'?

Postby JSHAW » Sun Jun 10, 2012 12:51 pm

Prometheus's screen running time is 2 hours 4 minutes. I have no idea why you'd think it was an over 3 hour movie, it's not.
The 2 hours goes by very fast.

Some people have pointed out various plot holes, you'll have to decide for yourself on how good a story is told.

Planet designations
Spoiler:
If I'm not mistaken the planet in Prometheus and the planet in Alien are not the same. The planet designation in Prometheus is given as LV233, once again if my memory serves me correctly. RIght now I can't remember what the planet in Alien is, but I'm pretty sure they're not the same.
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Re: Who is going to see 'Prometheus'?

Postby JSHAW » Sun Jun 10, 2012 1:05 pm

We watched the original last night... it was on Showtime, and amazingly there was additional footage! At the end where Ripley is doing the final check to release the shuttle she finds Captain Dallas and another member of the crew (*blond man, indistinct) entombed in the alien resin! I swear I have seen this movie over 100 times over the years and never remember this portion!!! Dallas begs her to kill him (*reminiscent of Alien Resurrection where she finds her clone), and she burns the resin wall that he is in.


What you saw was the Director's cut of the movie, which is what they call a movie when they add additional footage. It does differ from the film version
that was originally released in theaters. Additional scenes were cut from the movie for various reasons, but with the invention of laser discs, then later dvd's movie directors would recut the movie and add in things they originally might have wanted in, but were advised to cut. Pretty cool huh?
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Re: Who is going to see 'Prometheus'?

Postby Holman » Sun Jun 10, 2012 3:03 pm

JSHAW wrote:Planet designations
Spoiler:
If I'm not mistaken the planet in Prometheus and the planet in Alien are not the same. The planet designation in Prometheus is given as LV233, once again if my memory serves me correctly. RIght now I can't remember what the planet in Alien is, but I'm pretty sure they're not the same.


The planet in Alien/Aliens is LV-426, aka "Acheron."
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Re: Who is going to see 'Prometheus'?

Postby TiLT » Sun Jun 10, 2012 4:40 pm

JSHAW wrote:
We watched the original last night... it was on Showtime, and amazingly there was additional footage! At the end where Ripley is doing the final check to release the shuttle she finds Captain Dallas and another member of the crew (*blond man, indistinct) entombed in the alien resin! I swear I have seen this movie over 100 times over the years and never remember this portion!!! Dallas begs her to kill him (*reminiscent of Alien Resurrection where she finds her clone), and she burns the resin wall that he is in.


What you saw was the Director's cut of the movie, which is what they call a movie when they add additional footage. It does differ from the film version
that was originally released in theaters. Additional scenes were cut from the movie for various reasons, but with the invention of laser discs, then later dvd's movie directors would recut the movie and add in things they originally might have wanted in, but were advised to cut. Pretty cool huh?


For the record, that particular scene is not considered canon, not even by Ridley Scott. It contradicts the Alien behavior in later movies.
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Re: Who is going to see 'Promethius'?

Postby Defiant » Sun Jun 10, 2012 5:38 pm

Little Raven wrote:Ok, I just got back.

It's good. Really good. The cinematography is beautiful, of course. The acting is solid, the chills are good, and Elizabeth Shaw is one hell of a character.


I actually really liked the blond woman.

Spoiler:
Except at the end when she switched from this is a bad project that should be stopped into I'm gunna run for my life


Spoiler:
But I don't understand anything about what actually happened. Why did the Engineer kill himself at the beginning? And why do they hate us so much? And if they do hate us so much, why didn't they kill us when we were busy worshiping them and carving stone tablets thousands of years ago?


Spoiler:
So here's my understanding:

1. 35,000 until ~2,000 years ago, they were all being god-like and (maybe?) nice?

2. The planet that this takes place on is a WMD facility of a sort, producing biological weapons.

3. About 2,000 years ago, they decide that they want to wipe out humanity. Its not clear to me why they decide this. Maybe we've upset them. Maybe they've become infected somehow and that makes them more destructive? Maybe we were just constructed as lab rats for an experiment of these WMDs? Presumably this is left open for a future movie.

4. Around this time, there is some contamination of the facility, and almost all the engineers are slaughtered.

5. The engineer at the start of the film maybe commits suicide? Or maybe he was the source of the original contamination?

6. Their being slaughtered prevents Earth from being attacked. (although the fact that they still raise the question late in the film suggests that this might not be the case?)

Some questions I have:

How can they have the same DNA, when they are noticeably different from us?

WTF kind of logic is "Oh, the engineers are dead. I have a brilliant idea. Why don't I just feed some random bit of goo to someone to make them into an engineer?" I mean, really?

Why did the engineers give a map to their WMD facilities?

Also some general comments: Why did the geologist and the other guy stick around the caves when they said they were going to the ship?

Some interesting themes were raised, but they weren't really explored fully.
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Re: Who is going to see 'Prometheus'?

Postby Brian » Sun Jun 10, 2012 7:10 pm

Defiant wrote:Some questions I have:

Spoiler:
How can they have the same DNA, when they are noticeably different from us?

WTF kind of logic is "Oh, the engineers are dead. I have a brilliant idea. Why don't I just feed some random bit of goo to someone to make them into an engineer?" I mean, really?

Why did the engineers give a map to their WMD facilities?

Also some general comments: Why did the geologist and the other guy stick around the caves when they said they were going to the ship?

Some interesting themes were raised, but they weren't really explored fully.


To toss some possible answers:

Spoiler:
DNA: It's a match but not necessarily 100% I'm no geneticist, but I imagine there is enough wiggle room for them to be giant versions of us with bad complexions and still match our DNA almost exactly.

I'm not sure why David chose to drop the goo into the drink. I think it was just him trying as many things as possible to achieve the goal that Weyland was working towards. This particular experiment didn't pan out the way he'd hoped.

It was a navigation map so all of their facilities would be listed. It's not like they were expecting to hijacked by their own creations.

They were still in the caves because they got lost and couldn't find the way out before the storm.
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Re: Who is going to see 'Promethius'?

Postby Grundbegriff » Sun Jun 10, 2012 7:16 pm

Some responses in the spoiler tag:
Spoiler:
Defiant wrote:1. 35,000 until ~2,000 years ago, they were all being god-like and (maybe?) nice?

Something like that.
2. The planet that this takes place on is a WMD facility of a sort, producing biological weapons.

Apparently so, if the crew's speculation is correct. The fact that David refers to that part of the ship as a cargo hold suggests that the speculation is correct, as does the behavior of the Engineer dude.
3. About 2,000 years ago, they decide that they want to wipe out humanity. Its not clear to me why they decide this. Maybe we've upset them. Maybe they've become infected somehow and that makes them more destructive? Maybe we were just constructed as lab rats for an experiment of these WMDs? Presumably this is left open for a future movie.

Right. Movie gives no clue. It's wide open for a sequel: Prometheus Unbound: David and Shaw's Excellent Adventure
4. Around this time, there is some contamination of the facility, and almost all the engineers are slaughtered.

Actually, I think their own bioweapons do them in. They fail to contain and control the WMD they've manufactured.
5. The engineer at the start of the film maybe commits suicide? Or maybe he was the source of the original contamination?

I think the implication is that that scene takes place on primeval earth, and that his DNA somehow generates us. There's no hint of "contamination" in that scene; it's more of an edenic interlude.
6. Their being slaughtered prevents Earth from being attacked. (although the fact that they still raise the question late in the film suggests that this might not be the case?)

I think that's right. They're about to go slime earth with canopic jars full of xenomorphic cobras when things go terribly awry.
Some questions I have:How can they have the same DNA, when they are noticeably different from us?

Good question. Adaptation?
WTF kind of logic is "Oh, the engineers are dead. I have a brilliant idea. Why don't I just feed some random bit of goo to someone to make them into an engineer?" I mean, really?

We're not privy to the full depth and scope of David's understanding. Even so, it seems underexplained.

I mean, really-- what did Keanu Green ever do to him?

Why did the engineers give a map to their WMD facilities?

To me, that's the biggest plot hole.
(a) Look-- this constellation in ancient art points to only one star system, and it has a planet with a habitable moon!
(b) Look-- this isn't their home after all; they weren't stupid enough to develop bioweapons on their own home planet!
(c) Look-- this constellation in ancient art points to... the bioweapons repository that they eventually develop in order to kill humans???

Also some general comments: Why did the geologist and the other guy stick around the caves when they said they were going to the ship?

In radio chatter with Able Was I Ere I Saw Elba, someone mentions that they got lost on the way back to the ship. Lame contrivance to isolate the redshirts.

Some interesting themes were raised, but they weren't really explored fully.

That's for sure. And that's for sure.


Some further thoughts:
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  • Keanu Klone was a seriously weak link in an otherwise adequate cast.
  • Those were among the worst latex Old Guy appliances I can recall having seen. Even those in Little Big Man looked better, and that was 40 something years ago.
  • The way Charlize Evil hopped into bed with Elba as soon as he challenged her humanity seemed totally out of character for her, insofar as the filmmakers had bothered to establish a character for her.
  • Charlize Evil was a 2D paperdoll of a character, and the big revelation that she was JR was telegraphed and obvious from a mile away, so it fell seriously flat.
  • We get it-- she's bad and hates her dad, wishing he would die so she can be Big Cheese at Weyland Corp. Meanwhile, Shaw's good and loved her dad, and wishes he was still alive. Weyland science lacks wonder, imagination, and a healthy pursuit of the Why enveloping the What; Shaw science has all of these. Since we get it, why not beat us over the head with it, while avoiding all complexity or nuance? There, that's better.
  • The film is Significantly Gorgeous. The allusions to Larry of Arabia serve not only to raise questions about the degree of (artificial) consciousness David was given (or has developed), but also to place the epic look of much of this film in the context of David Lean's directorial magnificence.
  • Wow-- Iceland is freaky lookin' in places. Reason 58 to visit someday!
  • This is clearly, conspicuously, and overtly a prequel to Alien. I don't understand all the tapdancing, unless it be rooted in legal issues over franchise IP.
  • H. R. Giger, man. What a vision.
  • I am sick, Sick, SICK of the "hanging by fingertips" movie-physics trope. Even if it weren't impossible and implausible, it's massively overdone. But it's all three. JUST STOP. ARE YOU LISTENING TO ME, HOLLYWOOD?!
  • It's amazing that those hazard suits can make it through silicate storms, nuclear fallout, and who knows what all, and still remain shiny, clean, and free of debris. Plus, the helmets are clearly unscratchable! Well done, Monsanto!
  • Other stuff. Wonderful use of the motifs in the original score. Lame use of Stephen Stills and Chopin.


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Re: Who is going to see 'Prometheus'?

Postby pr0ner » Sun Jun 10, 2012 7:44 pm

Umm, I answered the question (in spoilers) as to why the Engineers do what they did. Did no one read that post?
That's a clown question, bro.
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Re: Who is going to see 'Promethius'?

Postby Defiant » Sun Jun 10, 2012 8:13 pm

pr0ner wrote:
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According to Ridley Scott, it's because Jesus Christ was an engineer sent to put humans back on the right track, and when humans crucified him, the engineers got pissed and wanted to exterminate humans.


Spoiler:
Huh. While there was clearly lots of signposts to Christianity (I mean, how many times do we have to be beaten over the head?), I dont think I would have made that leap.
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Re: Who is going to see 'Prometheus'?

Postby nasai » Sun Jun 10, 2012 8:16 pm

Pr0ner, I read it. It sounds a bit silly (then again, trying to read assumption IS silly), but I wish they would have alluded to that without Scott having to say it.

In addition:
Spoiler:
I was thinking that they were intergalactic terrorists, for sure. The entire hold being full of their WMD was obvious in that regard. I wish David's short "conversation" with the engineer would have given clarity to that. Instead, they had to get all Stargate on us. :?
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Re: Who is going to see 'Prometheus'?

Postby Ralph-Wiggum » Sun Jun 10, 2012 8:31 pm

Spoiler:
So that moon isn't the planet from the first Alien? There just happened to be another crashed Engineer ship that has an aliens? It seemed to me that the whole point of the last alien bursting from the engineer was to give show us the mother alien that laid all the eggs found in Alien. I can't remember: was the distress beacon that stops the ship in Alien man-made or engineer made?

As for the Jesus = engineer thing, it seems a bit tacked on. Or, at least, not alluded to at all in the movie other than by the carbon dating. And my guess is that Jesus didn't look like some 8 foot tall muscle bound freak.

As for the DNA of engineer vs. human, genes by themselves do not dictate phenotype; it's all about the gene x environment interaction. So maybe there's something about the engineer's homeworld that makes them look like that.
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Re: Who is going to see 'Prometheus'?

Postby Ralph-Wiggum » Sun Jun 10, 2012 8:36 pm

And two more things:

Spoiler:
They hired the most idiotic biologist on the planet. No biologist worth anything would approach an unknown, potentially threatening organism with as little caution as that dude.

What was the deal with the geologist turning into super strong zombie guy?
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Re: Who is going to see 'Prometheus'?

Postby nasai » Sun Jun 10, 2012 8:40 pm

Ralph-Wiggum wrote:
Spoiler:
So that moon isn't the planet from the first Alien? There just happened to be another crashed Engineer ship that has an aliens? It seemed to me that the whole point of the last alien bursting from the engineer was to give show us the mother alien that laid all the eggs found in Alien.


Spoiler:
It can't be the same ship, because THAT engineer (from the first Alien movie) was killed while in his ship's captain chair. Remember the "space jockey" had died in his seat, from a chest burster? So, this is a different planet OR different ship/engineer combo. They kind of messed up on that, honestly. That would have tied in the story much nicer. Oh well.
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Re: Who is going to see 'Prometheus'?

Postby hepcat » Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:09 pm

Saw it friday after work. While I enjoyed it, it did reinforce my opinion that Ridley Scott as a director is, in my opinion, overrated...at least in light of his last few decades of work. The designs and cinematography were great, but I don't believe they lived up to the hype. I really wanted something new and exciting. And while I did have fun, I also didn't find anything in it to make it stand out.

As for the story, my issues were:

Spoiler:
Our alien creators leave a sign post leading us to their...weapons research facility? :?

Why did they cast Guy Pearce as an elderly man? We still haven't advanced enough in film to the point where makeup creates an effective illusion of advanced age. You've got hundreds of great, older actors out there, for god's sake. EDIT: just saw Tilt's reply about why they stuck with Pearce. I don't think it worked that well, but I can at least understand why now.

The last surviving Engineer on the planet is reduced to acting like Jason Vorhees when his ship gets shot down?

If they'd cut out the whole alien pregnacy thing, including the final battle between Space Squid and the Engineer, I wouldn't have minded. It just seemed tacked on. Plus, every time Rapace's character ran a quarter mile or so in a full spacesuit after having had major invasive surgery, it just took me out of the film with its goofiness.

Like I said earlier, I enjoyed it, but it did leave me a bit disappointed.
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Re: Who is going to see 'Prometheus'?

Postby Ralph-Wiggum » Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:12 pm

nasai wrote:
Ralph-Wiggum wrote:
Spoiler:
So that moon isn't the planet from the first Alien? There just happened to be another crashed Engineer ship that has an aliens? It seemed to me that the whole point of the last alien bursting from the engineer was to give show us the mother alien that laid all the eggs found in Alien.


Spoiler:
It can't be the same ship, because THAT engineer (from the first Alien movie) was killed while in his ship's captain chair. Remember the "space jockey" had died in his seat, from a chest burster? So, this is a different planet OR different ship/engineer combo. They kind of messed up on that, honestly. That would have tied in the story much nicer. Oh well.


Spoiler:
Forgot about the chest having burst open. I was rationalizing that maybe they just found the helmet. Ah well.
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Re: Who is going to see 'Promethius'?

Postby Defiant » Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:19 am

Grundbegriff wrote:If you dislike gore/mutilation, this ain't your flick.


I don't like gore at all (give me creepy, atmospheric or psychological horror over graphic gore any day) and certainly there was some in the movie, but not so much that it prevented me from enjoying the movie.
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