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I just don't know why they have to call something like this an IPA. For 20+ years, the American style of IPA has been synonymous with high hops bitterness (more notable in some beers than others, of course). With hazy/NE/juicy IPAs forgoing that (and apparently 0 IBU "IPAs" too), why not call it something different? Why not just a Hazy Pale Ale or something? I don't begrudge folks enjoying that style of beer, but I really don't care for it (I crave the bitterness!), and I've been fooled more than once when trying a new "IPA" that either doesn't state it's hazy or has it in the small print somewhere. It's a fundamentally different taste, and I can't help but think that brewers are just trying to latch onto the popularity of the IPA style by calling these beers IPAs when they really don't taste like an IPA.
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Hazy Pale Ales are a thing, so a 0 IBU IPA can't fall in that market.
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pr0ner wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:28 pm
Hazy Pale Ales are a thing, so a 0 IBU IPA can't fall in that market.
That's missing the forest for the trees. My point is that they should categorize all of these pseudo IPAs as something other than IPAs since they're fundamentally different from IPAs.
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ImLawBoy wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:37 pm
pr0ner wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:28 pm
Hazy Pale Ales are a thing, so a 0 IBU IPA can't fall in that market.
That's missing the forest for the trees. My point is that they should categorize all of these pseudo IPAs as something other than IPAs since they're fundamentally different from IPAs.
I feel like they do by calling them NEIPAs or hazy IPAs.

And I say that as someone who enjoys a good bitter IPA like Jai Alai or Space Dust in addition to Heady Topper.
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pr0ner wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:53 pm
ImLawBoy wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:37 pm
pr0ner wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:28 pm
Hazy Pale Ales are a thing, so a 0 IBU IPA can't fall in that market.
That's missing the forest for the trees. My point is that they should categorize all of these pseudo IPAs as something other than IPAs since they're fundamentally different from IPAs.
I feel like they do by calling them NEIPAs or hazy IPAs.

And I say that as someone who enjoys a good bitter IPA like Jai Alai or Space Dust in addition to Heady Topper.
ImLawBoy wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:17 pm
I've been fooled more than once when trying a new "IPA" that either doesn't state it's hazy or has it in the small print somewhere.
Clear up the whole problem by calling it something other than an IPA, which, since it's not really an IPA by traditional definitions, should be easy enough.
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ImLawBoy wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:37 pm
pr0ner wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:28 pm
Hazy Pale Ales are a thing, so a 0 IBU IPA can't fall in that market.
That's missing the forest for the trees. My point is that they should categorize all of these pseudo IPAs as something other than IPAs since they're fundamentally different from IPAs.
I agree, which is why I thought it funny when I saw it on the shelf, along with it stating it was a light beer. It runs counter to the notion of what an IPA should be, and it's at that point where I feel a new style should be named because it's theoretically not an IPA.
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ImLawBoy wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:58 pm
pr0ner wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:53 pm
ImLawBoy wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:37 pm
pr0ner wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:28 pm
Hazy Pale Ales are a thing, so a 0 IBU IPA can't fall in that market.
That's missing the forest for the trees. My point is that they should categorize all of these pseudo IPAs as something other than IPAs since they're fundamentally different from IPAs.
I feel like they do by calling them NEIPAs or hazy IPAs.

And I say that as someone who enjoys a good bitter IPA like Jai Alai or Space Dust in addition to Heady Topper.
ImLawBoy wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:17 pm
I've been fooled more than once when trying a new "IPA" that either doesn't state it's hazy or has it in the small print somewhere.
Clear up the whole problem by calling it something other than an IPA, which, since it's not really an IPA by traditional definitions, should be easy enough.
Well I've personally never had this problem - in fact, I've more likely had the other issue, where a brewery will brand something a Hazy or New England IPA and it's pretty obvious that it isn't one.

Also, Hazy IPAs officially got industry recognition in 2018 (along with Hazy Pale Ales), so changing their name any time soon will likely not happen.
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And me complaining about it likely isn't going to change any time soon, either. ;)

Hmmm. I think I'll brew a yellow beer and call it a "Golden Stout". That should be fun!
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ImLawBoy wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:42 pm
And me complaining about it likely isn't going to change any time soon, either. ;)

Hmmm. I think I'll brew a yellow beer and call it a "Golden Stout". That should be fun!
I'd try it if you do! :lol:
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Guinness already has a Golden beer ;)
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Rumpy wrote:Guinness already has a Golden beer ;)
And it's made in Baltimore!
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disarm wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:19 pm
Rumpy wrote:Guinness already has a Golden beer ;)
And it's made in Baltimore!
And it's not called a Golden Stout!
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I have really not become a fan of most Hazy or Juicy beers. I don't think they deliver like a good NEIPA or standard IPA.

I don't think I have run across a 0 IBU IPA, although it's possible I just didn't catch it if there really are that many out there.

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Hazy IPA = Juicy IPA = NEIPA. They're just different names for the same style.
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disarm wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:19 pm
Rumpy wrote:Guinness already has a Golden beer ;)
And it's made in Baltimore!
Oh, it figures. The English would know better than to make a Golden Guiness :lol:
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ImLawBoy wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:58 pm
Hazy IPA = Juicy IPA = NEIPA. They're just different names for the same style.
Lord Hobo (or was it Clown Shoes?) did a survey awhile back asking its customers which term they prefer.

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It's all blurry to me. I mean, at one point if you had an IPA, you knew what to expect. It was hoppy, somewhat bitter. Actually, more reminiscent of an English style Ale. These days breweries seem to throw terms around and I think even they get confused as to what they're making, so it's no wonder consumers are getting confused at all the different names.
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Rumpy wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:36 pm
It's all blurry to me. I mean, at one point if you had an IPA, you knew what to expect. It was hoppy, somewhat bitter. Actually, more reminiscent of an English style Ale. These days breweries seem to throw terms around and I think even they get confused as to what they're making, so it's no wonder consumers are getting confused at all the different names.
The traditional IPA is a British concoction, the heavy hops used to preserve the beer on long voyages between the British Isles and their colonial possessions in India.

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Yep, I know the story quite well.
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Everyday Magic Hazy IPA by Sawdust City Brewing Co. I feel like I'm being introduced to a new set of hops that to my knowledge I haven't come across before. I'm familiar with Galaxy, but it also has Cashmere, Idaho 7, and Sabro hops.

Also, aside from the IBU, it lists 4-0P FG, 15-5P OG, and SRM 5. Does anyone know what those readings represent?
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