Captain America-The Winter Soidier (spoilerific spoilers!!!)

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:06 pm

Love how she is posing in that poster.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Apr 01, 2014 4:15 am

Rumpy wrote:I guess now would be a good time to see the first one.

Many Regal Cinemas are doing a double feature on either Thursday or Friday with the first followed by the second.

DarkVulgar · Post by **DarkVulgar** » Wed Apr 02, 2014 12:52 pm

Rumpy wrote:I guess now would be a good time to see the first one.

Yes it would.

Kasey Chang · Post by **Kasey Chang** » Fri Apr 04, 2014 5:34 pm

Just watched it. No, I haven't seen the first one. I did see Avengers.

It's... good, appropriately on topic given the state of NSA surveillance, order vs. chaos, etc. And how "sunshine" seem to be the only way to prevent such things from ever happening. But where does one draw the line between security and freedom?

Fight choreography is great, as everybody has their own fighting style. Balroc has that capoira style kicking, and Winter Soldier is power punch and close-in blade, while Black Widow is spinning kicks and flying takedowns. But they seem to have adopted Paul Greengrass (Bourne series) type of jerky camera.

They introduced "Falcon" pretty nicely. And it's a good tie-in with the original movie, lots of back references.

I watched it in IMAX 3D, and the 3D is good but not overwhelming.

All in all, I think I can give this like 8 out of 10. It scratched all the right places, and there are no major screwups.

DD* · Post by DD* » Fri Apr 04, 2014 5:37 pm

Tickets purchased for 10:00 am tomorrow! Woohoo!

AWS260 · Post by **AWS260** » Fri Apr 04, 2014 5:54 pm

To celebrate our anniversary this weekend, the wife and I are going out for huge steaks, tons of bourbon, and Captain America on the big screen.

To quote the inimitable Trey Parker, America -- fuck yeah.

DarkVulgar · Post by **DarkVulgar** » Fri Apr 04, 2014 6:39 pm

Look for the "Pulp Fiction" reference at the end of the movie. LOL

Grifman · Post by **Grifman** » Fri Apr 04, 2014 9:04 pm

Heads up, there are two scenes during the credits so hang around for both!

hentzau · Post by **hentzau** » Fri Apr 04, 2014 9:11 pm

There were some very nice shout outs to long time Marvel fans in the movie.

And this makes me wonder about the direction for Agents of SHIELD...

IceBear · Post by **IceBear** » Fri Apr 04, 2014 9:12 pm

I wish I could go and see it this weekend but I am on call all weekend. Could you spoil what you mean about the direction of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D

hentzau · Post by **hentzau** » Fri Apr 04, 2014 9:16 pm

Big spoiler about the end of the movie in there! Go in at your own peril!

Spoiler:

IceBear · Post by **IceBear** » Fri Apr 04, 2014 9:17 pm

I kinda figured something like that was going to happen

Kasey Chang · Post by **Kasey Chang** » Fri Apr 04, 2014 10:09 pm

Grifman wrote:Heads up, there are two scenes during the credits so hang around for both!

Spoiler:

DarkVulgar · Post by **DarkVulgar** » Fri Apr 04, 2014 10:28 pm

Kasey Chang wrote:
Grifman wrote:Heads up, there are two scenes during the credits so hang around for both!

Spoiler:
Is that Loki's scepter?

Yes

disarm · Post by **disarm** » Sat Apr 05, 2014 7:30 pm

Went to see The Winter Soldier this afternoon on IMAX 3D...awesome movie that is easily one of the top Marvel films so far, right up there with Ironman and The Avengers. I think the coolest thing is that it really raises a lot of questions about what will happen in future Marvel films, and should even have a major impact on the Agents of SHIELD tv show. I love the way that Marvel is tying all their stories together...great stuff!

DD* · Post by DD* » Sat Apr 05, 2014 7:46 pm

What he said! Plus....

Spoiler:

Odin · Post by **Odin** » Sat Apr 05, 2014 7:46 pm

Just got home. FAN-TASTIC! Really, really good. Definitely up at the top of my list, on par with Iron Man 1 and The Avengers. I'm dying to get my hands on the Blu-Ray and watch it a bunch more times.

killbot737 · Post by **killbot737** » Sat Apr 05, 2014 9:10 pm

I am out of the loop on the comics so I am wondering

Spoiler:

Excellent movie. Although I have to wonder where Iron Man or the Fantastic Four were during certain events. Some X-Men action would have been sweet too. I guess they were probably busy filming their own sequels.

Spoiler:

IceBear · Post by **IceBear** » Sat Apr 05, 2014 9:17 pm

You won't see Spiderman or Fantastic Four or the X-men characters in movies made by Marvel Studios as they don't own the rights to them

killbot737 · Post by **killbot737** » Sat Apr 05, 2014 9:20 pm

IceBear wrote:You won't see Spiderman or Fantastic Four or the X-men characters in movies made by Marvel Studios as they don't own the rights to them

True Believers care not for your Hollywood arglebargle foofaraw.

IceBear · Post by **IceBear** » Sat Apr 05, 2014 9:21 pm

Just saying

I hate being on call this weekend as I can't go to see this movie

DarkVulgar · Post by **DarkVulgar** » Sat Apr 05, 2014 9:36 pm

killbot737 wrote:I am out of the loop on the comics so I am wondering

Spoiler:
Who will Strike team commander turn into after the building collapsed on him?
Excellent movie. Although I have to wonder where Iron Man or the Fantastic Four were during certain events. Some X-Men action would have been sweet too. I guess they were probably busy filming their own sequels.

Spoiler:
Because you'd think Fury would send out the call to Reed and Tony long before the override was used. That time being when they left the "cave" that they were in.

Spoiler:

Kasey Chang · Post by **Kasey Chang** » Sat Apr 05, 2014 9:39 pm

killbot737 wrote:I am out of the loop on the comics so I am wondering

Spoiler:
Who will Strike team commander turn into after the building collapsed on him?

Spoiler:

Excellent movie. Although I have to wonder where Iron Man or the Fantastic Four were during certain events. Some X-Men action would have been sweet too. I guess they were probably busy filming their own sequels.

Spoiler:
Because you'd think Fury would send out the call to Reed and Tony long before the override was used. That time being when they left the "cave" that they were in.

Nope, but somebody else... Remember that Jasper said on the roof...

Spoiler:

DarkVulgar · Post by **DarkVulgar** » Sat Apr 05, 2014 9:40 pm

So did anyone else catch the Pulp Fiction reference? For those that missed it....

Spoiler:

Odin · Post by **Odin** » Sat Apr 05, 2014 9:47 pm

killbot737 wrote:Excellent movie. Although I have to wonder where Iron Man or the Fantastic Four were during certain events. Some X-Men action would have been sweet too. I guess they were probably busy filming their own sequels.

Spoiler:
Because you'd think Fury would send out the call to Reed and Tony long before the override was used. That time being when they left the "cave" that they were in.

Spoiler:

hentzau · Post by **hentzau** » Sun Apr 06, 2014 12:57 am

Kasey Chang wrote:
killbot737 wrote:I am out of the loop on the comics so I am wondering

Spoiler:
Who will Strike team commander turn into after the building collapsed on him?

Spoiler:
Crossbones

Excellent movie. Although I have to wonder where Iron Man or the Fantastic Four were during certain events. Some X-Men action would have been sweet too. I guess they were probably busy filming their own sequels.

Spoiler:
Because you'd think Fury would send out the call to Reed and Tony long before the override was used. That time being when they left the "cave" that they were in.
Nope, but somebody else... Remember that Jasper said on the roof...

Spoiler:
Jonathan Strange... i.e. Dr. Strange

Spoiler:

Kasey Chang · Post by **Kasey Chang** » Sun Apr 06, 2014 1:08 am

Thanks for the correction.

AjD · Post by **AjD** » Sun Apr 06, 2014 3:19 am

Forum effect starting up here... might take the son tomorrow now.

hentzau · Post by **hentzau** » Sun Apr 06, 2014 12:51 pm

Taking my kids to see it now. So second time for me.

msteelers · Post by **msteelers** » Sun Apr 06, 2014 1:21 pm

Going this afternoon to see it. I feel almost too excited for this. The reviews have been overwhelming.

IceBear · Post by **IceBear** » Sun Apr 06, 2014 3:26 pm

Yeah, any time I go to the movies feeling this enthusiastic it ends up disappointing just because I built it up too much in my head...going to have to try to calm down

Odin · Post by **Odin** » Sun Apr 06, 2014 3:57 pm

I've run into that a few times. Fortunately in this case it proved to be a non-issue.

Funny story - I never know how full a showing is likely to be, and I've arrived a few times only to stand in a long line and get shitty seats, so now I tend to arrive quite early to make sure I'm first in line. I did so yesterday for Captain America.

There was no official "line" per se - for some reason the cineplex management didn't bother, so a few of us earlybirds were just kind of loitering around the door to the house where the previous showing was finishing up. One of the other earlybirds and I had struck up a conversation, and he speculated that the prior showing must be almost over. Just at that point, a father and his very young daughter came walking out to go to the bathroom. He heard us, and commented, "Whew, it's a long one all right. Starts off really slow for the first half, but it wasn't bad by the end. It's almost over."

<- That's the face I made to the other guy with whom I'd been talking. It was literally the first negative thing I'd heard anybody say or write about the film. I still don't know what his deal was - there was nothing "slow" about ANY part of Winter Soldier. I think that guy just didn't like movies and wanted to be home drinking a beer and watching sports of some kind. Pansy.

JSHAW · Post by **JSHAW** » Sun Apr 06, 2014 5:12 pm

Saw the 1030am IMAX 3D version today. Liked this one alot better than the first Cap. More action, I get the first one had to set everything up. There really was not much in the way of value-added on 3D effects, and wearing the 3D glasses didn't bother in
my enjoyment of the movie.

Two things about the plot I started thinking about on the drive home.

Spoiler:

I'm not normally a big nitpicker when it comes to these kind of Marvel/DC superhero movies. I try and suspend my disbelief as much as possible for maximum enjoyment, but these 2 issues got in my brain and bugged me on my drive home.

Odin · Post by **Odin** » Sun Apr 06, 2014 6:45 pm

JSHAW wrote:Saw the 1030am IMAX 3D version today. Liked this one alot better than the first Cap. More action, I get the first one had to set everything up. There really was not much in the way of value-added on 3D effects, and wearing the 3D glasses didn't bother in
my enjoyment of the movie.

Two things about the plot I started thinking about on the drive home.

Spoiler:
The Shield/Hydra plan to use the 3 helicarriers to wipe out a couple million Americans, thus bringing into effect the New World Order, and Americans giving up their freedoms for security - Was no one left alive ever going to find out the firepower that killed millions of people originated from the helicarriers belonging to Shield?

Spoiler:

Spoiler:
Am I to believe that there wasn't anyone that were serving as crew and support on the Helicarriers that were against the plan, and they didn't openly revolt against Shield/Hydra because they didn't want to be killed. So they just kept their mouth shut, did what was asked, and thus they stayed alive.

Spoiler:

If you're going to nitpick something...

Spoiler:

JSHAW · Post by **JSHAW** » Sun Apr 06, 2014 7:42 pm

Odin,
That's a great nitpick, one that did cross my mind on the drive home.

Spoiler:

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Sun Apr 06, 2014 7:52 pm

Odin wrote:
killbot737 wrote:Excellent movie. Although I have to wonder where Iron Man or the Fantastic Four were during certain events. Some X-Men action would have been sweet too. I guess they were probably busy filming their own sequels.

Spoiler:
Because you'd think Fury would send out the call to Reed and Tony long before the override was used. That time being when they left the "cave" that they were in.

Spoiler:
Even leaving out the characters that Marvel isn't licensed for, I'd agree that it seems like a call to Tony Stark, at minimum, would have been in order (and we know he was in town, since he showed up on the list of targets). A warning to Coulson and Barton would have been polite, but of course there wouldn't have been time to call everybody in Fury's contacts, even assuming he knew who to trust. But Stark, the son of one of the founders of SHIELD and someone with pretty unimpeachable credentials could actually have flown over and helped.

Assuming, of course, that his surgical alterations and the destruction of his armors at the end of IM3 still allow him to be Iron Man, which I suppose we don't know for sure. So I can let this slide until more details come in, but if we find out in the next Avengers that Tony would have been mission-capable at that time, then shame on Fury/Marvel for not calling him.

To correct Odin's spoiler comment:

Spoiler:

Combustible Lemur · Post by **Combustible Lemur** » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:22 pm

JSHAW wrote:Odin,
That's a great nitpick, one that did cross my mind on the drive home.

Spoiler:
Thinking about Fury's SUV attack and the windows not breaking immediately it made me think about
the glass on the undercarriage of the carrier. Surely 21st century tech has advanced enough to use bullet-proof
break resistant materials on a glass-like dome on a helicarrier? Must have been a govt. contractor looking to cut corners.

Maybe not missile proof.

Sent courtesy of the Galaxy.... note2.

Odin · Post by **Odin** » Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:52 pm

Spoiler:

Combustible Lemur · Post by **Combustible Lemur** » Sun Apr 06, 2014 10:20 pm

Odin wrote:
Spoiler:
Yeah, that's what I figured. His SUV's glass wasn't unbreakable, just impervious to small-arms fire. Presumably those missiles and artillery were firing WAY more powerful stuff. But still, combine "Let's have it stick out in the most vulnerable, easy-to-hit-from-the-ground area" with "oh, and let's make it out of something transparent for maximum breakability and so they know damn well what to shoot at" and it sure adds up to something that looks rather silly when you think about it. I mean, was there even remotely any apparent value to giving the CPU a nice view OR to having it dangle from the bottom of the vessel? Much less both?

I mean, it's a movie and I get that, so I'm not inclined to be too critical, but it struck me right away as a WTF? level design flaw.

Spoiler:

Combustible Lemur · Post by **Combustible Lemur** » Sun Apr 06, 2014 10:28 pm

IceBear wrote:Yeah, any time I go to the movies feeling this enthusiastic it ends up disappointing just because I built it up too much in my head...going to have to try to calm down

If you fret you'll see all the silliness if you relax this is one of the if not the best marvel movie yet. It lacks a little of the newness the others benefited from, but story and construction wise, delicioso!

Sent courtesy of the Galaxy.... note2.