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Post by Moliere » Sat Dec 01, 2018 5:13 pm

St Louis cops beat up a protester who turned out to be an undercover cop. :oops:
According to an indictment filed yesterday in the U.S. District Court for the District of Missouri, four officers—Dustin Boone, Randy Hays, Christopher Myers, and Bailey Colletta—"encountered" a man they believed to be a protester, identified only as L.H.

Boone, Hays, and Myers allegedly took L.H. to the ground and beat him "while he was compliant and not posing a threat to anybody," the indictment says. "This offense resulted in bodily injury to L.H. and included the use of a dangerous weapon, that is: shod feet and a riot baton."

L.H. was not actually a protester. He was an undercover detective and 22-year veteran of the police department. His full name is Luther Hall, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports, and he apparently suffered severe injuries. His jaw muscles became inflamed after he was kicked in the face, causing him to have trouble eating and lose 20 pounds. He has also had issues with his tailbone, neck, and back, with the latter two requiring surgery.

After realizing L.H. was a cop, Boone, Hays, and Myers allegedly proceeded to cover up their actions. They're accused of falsely claiming that he resisted arrest, as well as trying to persuade him not to report their actions. The three officers also allegedly lied to potential witnesses in an effort to influence their testimony. Myers stands accused of destroying L.H.'s phone in another attempt to obstruct the investigation.
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Post by LawBeefaroni » Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:13 pm

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Niagara, Ontario police officer shoots a fellow officer over a disagreement. Not necessarily in the same vein as the thread, but being a cop he had easy access to a gun, and being a cop likely gave him more of a sense that his actions were acceptable than if a non-cop shot another non-cop. Who knows. We also don't know details yet, or whether the victim had pulled and/or fired at the shooter. Maybe it was self defense. Maybe. Still, a cop shot another cop because they disagreed. That's behaving pretty badly in my book. If details come out showing it was warranted, I'll happily withdraw my furious internet judgment.

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Not enough information. They may have gotten into a fist fight and the gun discharged in the melee. No idea.

There's been rash of police suicides here, several of them in a station parking lot. Certainly access to firearms is a factor but one of them did the CO2 in the garage method.
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Post by GreenGoo » Sat Dec 01, 2018 7:14 pm

More information has been forth coming since that article, but I don't know where we are as I haven't been following along.

Last I heard the shooter emptied his clip at his partner. Doesn't say a lot for his marksmanship that his partner is still alive, I guess.

No idea what the issue was, although it may have been reported by now, but it looks like it was intentional, whatever happened.

I personally feel this thread is about cops who abuse their authority or illegitimate use of force, are corrupt, things of that nature, none of which applies to this scenario, I don't think.

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Post by Lorini » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:21 pm

When will people's constitutional rights be enforced? Instead of police 'families' and protection of themselves at all costs. When? The story is about the trial of three of the nine officers present at an unjustified police shooting in Chicago.
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When will people's constitutional rights be enforced? Instead of police 'families' and protection of themselves at all costs. When? The story is about the trial of three of the nine officers present at an unjustified police shooting in Chicago.
In the case playing out now in a Chicago courtroom, the three officers — David March, Joseph Walsh and Thomas Gaffney — have denied that they covered up for the officer who shot Laquan McDonald and tried to make the shooting appear justified.
There has to be a trial . . . but that seems to be a matter of public record now.

I still don't have high hopes that they'll be convicted.

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Post by Lorini » Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:37 pm

A lot of ugliness in this article. A description of police culture in the US. The author says the toxicity can't be fixed piecemeal but the federal government does not see this as a country wide issue and even if they did I'm not sure what more they could do. Personally at this point I'm in favor in removing all privacy from police people except bathrooms and bedrooms. I'm tired of police who I can't even trust to keep me safe or especially my black son safe.
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Post by Lorini » Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:43 am

More serious police issues in phoenix. They arrest a blind man trying to find a urinal to use the bathroom. Some of these stories are pretty horrific. This assault on people's constitutional rights has to stop. One way is to vote in your local elections. I did and now the new Sheriff for Los Angeles County is removing managers from their positions temporarily so that an accounting can be done of exactly how effective they really are.
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Post by LawBeefaroni » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:55 am

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More serious police issues in phoenix. They arrest a blind man trying to find a urinal to use the bathroom. Some of these stories are pretty horrific. This assault on people's constitutional rights has to stop. One way is to vote in your local elections. I did and now the new Sheriff for Los Angeles County is removing managers from their positions temporarily so that an accounting can be done of exactly how effective they really are.
There, he was treated like a serious criminal, charged with aggravated assault on an officer, a felony. He denies punching the officer.
Why doesn't he DA/SA just throw it out?
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Post by GreenGoo » Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:45 am

Good question. It's not like there has ever been a problem at those levels too.

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Post by Paingod » Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:48 am

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Why doesn't he DA/SA just throw it out?
Probably worried that if they start tossing cops out as unreliable, it'll create an unpleasant chain reaction. Cops not giving them what they need to prosecute, and juries hearing that the prosecutors were dismissing allegations by the cops. Apparently they think it's better to let justice stagger blindly, looking for a urinal, than to point it to an electric fence.
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Post by LawBeefaroni » Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:20 pm

Paingod wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:48 am
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Why doesn't he DA/SA just throw it out?
Probably worried that if they start tossing cops out as unreliable, it'll create an unpleasant chain reaction. Cops not giving them what they need to prosecute, and juries hearing that the prosecutors were dismissing allegations by the cops. Apparently they think it's better to let justice stagger blindly, looking for a urinal, than to point it to an electric fence.
Here, they do exactly that, unpleasant chain reaction be damned. It's all about the votes and cop isn't an elected position.

Juries don't hear about charges that are tossed. I don't think it's allowed.
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Post by LawBeefaroni » Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:17 pm

See also: Boston.

Rollins told the Herald she is standing firm with her 15-item “no prosecute” list she announced during the election. The list includes crimes from shoplifting and trespassing to drug possession and resisting arrest — what she calls nonviolent and quality of life crimes.
Still not quite up to Chicago standards where armed carjackings are considered non-violent vehicular tresspass. But getting there.
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LawBeefaroni wrote:See also: Boston.

Rollins told the Herald she is standing firm with her 15-item “no prosecute” list she announced during the election. The list includes crimes from shoplifting and trespassing to drug possession and resisting arrest — what she calls nonviolent and quality of life crimes.
Still not quite up to Chicago standards where armed carjackings are considered non-violent vehicular tresspass. But getting there.
I listened to an interview with her about this topic a while back. She seemed to be looking for solutions/penalties which wouldn't involve incarceration for these types of offenses. I think it's an approach worth pursuing. Or with our restrictive gun laws in MA we'll be lambs among the wolves.
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DA/SA refuse to prosecute all the time. Sometimes they tell the officer their failure to follow the due process is the reason.
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Post by Moliere » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:12 pm

If 4 cops are seen ripping a one year old from her mom's arms is that bad publicity?

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Post by LawBeefaroni » Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:08 pm

No idea. There is absolutely no context there.
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Post by Isgrimnur » Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:13 pm

That's what the Reason article at the link is supposed to provide.
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Post by Moliere » Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:38 pm

Syracuse cops insist on an anal probe for drugs
Critics say the cops, the judge and hospital may have violated the civil rights of the suspect, subjected him to medical risk, and exposed the city and the hospital to a lawsuit.

“The whole thing is cuckoo nuts to me,” said the suspect’s defense lawyer, Charles Keller. “What country are we living in?”

So, was it worth the risk? The X-ray was right. The scope found no drugs.

And when they were done, St. Joe’s sent the suspect a bill for $4,595.12.
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Syracuse cops insist on an anal probe for drugs
Critics say the cops, the judge and hospital may have violated the civil rights of the suspect, subjected him to medical risk, and exposed the city and the hospital to a lawsuit.

“The whole thing is cuckoo nuts to me,” said the suspect’s defense lawyer, Charles Keller. “What country are we living in?”

So, was it worth the risk? The X-ray was right. The scope found no drugs.

And when they were done, St. Joe’s sent the suspect a bill for $4,595.12.
Lawsuit in 3...2...1
The doctors gonna be ok. Hospital and lawyer may have some problems though...
At least two doctors resisted the police request. An X-ray already had indicated no drugs. They saw no medical need to perform an invasive procedure on someone against his will.

The notes from police and doctors suggest some tension, a standoff. At one point, eight police officers were at the hospital. A doctor remembers telling officers: “We would not be doing that.”

The hospital’s top lawyer got pulled in. He talked by with the judge who signed the search warrant, which was written by police and signed at the judge’s home.

When they were done, the hospital lawyer overruled the doctors. The lawyer told his doctors that a search warrant required the doctors to use “any means” to retrieve the drugs, records show.
Judge should have to answer for the warrant, too.
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Post by GreenGoo » Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:12 pm

Is this the same one from years ago? The description sounds identical. Like, exactly the same.

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Post by LawBeefaroni » Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:20 pm

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Is this the same one from years ago? The description sounds identical. Like, exactly the same.
Think that was a nurse in Utah who refused to take blood from an unconcious patient. She got manhandled and possibly arrested (not sure). Don't remember if the hospital ended up drawing the blood or not.
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Post by GreenGoo » Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:27 pm

LawBeefaroni wrote:
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GreenGoo wrote:
Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:12 pm
Is this the same one from years ago? The description sounds identical. Like, exactly the same.
Think that was a nurse in Utah who refused to take blood from an unconcious patient. She got manhandled and possibly arrested (not sure). Don't remember if the hospital ended up drawing the blood or not.
No, it was a dude with a history of drug arrests, got stopped in his car, searched, car searched, then brought to a hospital where the doctors protested but eventually acquiesced, including a colonoscopy. I don't recall if a warrant was issued. I want to say no. They found nothing, not that it would have been justified if they had found something. Criminals have rights too. The rape victim was saddled with the hospital bill too. How that bill shouldn't be assigned to the police department and/or county is beyond me.

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Post by LawBeefaroni » Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:35 pm

There is no mechanism in a hospital to bill anyone other than the patient or their insurance for care. Pretty sure that sending a bill to the police would be a HIPAA violation too (irony of HIPAA concerns after raping a patient aside).
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Post by GreenGoo » Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:34 am

And that makes perfect sense until a patient is treated against their consent, whether because officers demanded it or something else, although the only scenarios that come to mind are iffy, so I don't know that "something else" exists at all. If police can compel medical treatment, then they need to be responsible for that medical treatment. That there isn't a mechanism in place is not surprising, but there needs to be. Lawsuits are not the way to resolve this, and certainly not the cheapest way for the city/force, or patient.

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GreenGoo wrote:
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Is this the same one from years ago? The description sounds identical. Like, exactly the same.
Probably just a case of there only being so many ways to violate someone's rights and anus at the same time.
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GreenGoo wrote:
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Is this the same one from years ago? The description sounds identical. Like, exactly the same.
I seem to recall the one you're thinking of occurring in Arizona (or at least the Southwest). Disturbingly similar facts, though.
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Louisiana Police Spread Fake News About Zika-Infected Meth, Then Admit They Made It up for 'Attention'
A Louisiana police department issued a Facebook post Saturday declaring that some of the region's methamphetamine had been infected with the Zika virus. If you're wondering how that's even possible, you're not crazy: It isn't. The cops made it up.

"WARNING," blared the post from the Harahan Police Department. "If you have recently purchased meth in any area of Louisiana it may be contaminated with the Zika Virus." It then encouraged meth users to bring their drugs to the police for free testing or to ask for a home visit from the cops:

It is not in fact possible for meth to be contaminated with Zika. Of course, a meth user with the virus could hypothetically transmit it by sharing a needle. But that's not because the drug itself is contaminated; it's because the sick person's blood carries the virus.

In short, the post was untrue. Chief Tim Walker has admitted as much to The New Orleans Advocate, explaining that Officer Keith Moody, who wrote it, wanted it to be "attention-getting."
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Forgot to post this idiocy earlier:
A statement posted on Facebook by the Opp Police Department on Tuesday blames a spike in area homicides on the idea that young people have turned away from God and "embraced Satan."
All good police work starts with identifying the motive. Let's go with Satan made them do it!
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"The world is suffering more today from the good people who want to mind other men's business than it is from the bad people who are willing to let everybody look after their own individual affairs." - Clarence Darrow

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Forgot to post this idiocy earlier:
A statement posted on Facebook by the Opp Police Department on Tuesday blames a spike in area homicides on the idea that young people have turned away from God and "embraced Satan."
All good police work starts with identifying the motive. Let's go with Satan made them do it!
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Post by Moliere » Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:48 pm

Watch a Florida Cop Botch a Drug Field Test on Video, Then Arrest an Innocent Man
Body camera footage obtained by Reason appears to show a now-fired Florida sheriff's deputy blatantly lying about the results of a roadside drug test during a traffic stop last year.

The video shows the April 17, 2018, traffic stop of Florida resident Steve Vann by former Jackson County Sheriff's deputy Zachary Wester. Vann was subsequently charged with possession of methamphetamines and paraphernalia as a result of the traffic stop, but state prosecutors later dropped those charges as part of a review of more than 250 cases that Wester was involved in since his hiring in 2016.

State prosecutors have dropped criminal charges in more than 100 cases involving Wester after body cam footage released last September showed the officer allegedly planting drugs in a car during another traffic stop. A Florida judge also vacated the sentences of eight people whose convictions were based on evidence and testimony by Wester. The Florida Department of Law Enforcement launched an investigation into Wester, and several people have filed federal lawsuits against him.
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