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Re: Cops behaving badly

Post by LawBeefaroni » Thu May 30, 2019 9:29 am

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It's OK to Pepper Spray bound prisoners because other Supervisors do it:
The union also argued Clark used proper force during the incident and challenged the county to compare other disciplinary actions against officers who similarly pepper-sprayed inmates in restraint chairs.

Clark’s actions were “no different” than what “any other supervisors” had previously done, the union said, according to the documents. They also asked the county to “retract the ‘story’ from ‘Cleveland.com’ that is slandering Clark’s name,” the documents say.
It's not OK in a broad sense but in terms of liability for that individual, if he was trained to do so and observed supervisors doing it, it certainly lightens his load. The Union's job is to defend the union member, even if it's to the detriment of the department.


Still, it seems like it would take a certain type of person to torture restrained prisoners...
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Re: Cops behaving badly

Post by Isgrimnur » Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:17 pm

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The Forest Hill police officer who failed to find a kidnapped 8-year-old Fort Worth girl during a search of a hotel room has been fired, officials said.

The Forest Hill Police Department has faced criticism after Sgt. Richardson Wolfe did not find the missing girl during the search of a hotel room, where she was found with her alleged abductor about two hours later.
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The chief said Wolfe's firing is not the result of his not finding the kidnapped girl. It's in reaction to how Wolfe handled the second attempt to find the girl.

Dennis said the sergeant displayed "shocking ineptitude" and was "woefully incompetent" during a second call to the hotel that night.
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Wolfe responded twice the night an 8-year-old was kidnapped in Fort Worth. He searched a hotel room two hours prior to Fort Worth police finding the child in that same room.

Wolfe was there when Fort Worth police rescued the girl.

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Re: Cops behaving badly

Post by Pyperkub » Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:13 pm

No wonder Philly needed prosecutorial reform with a focus on cop behavior:
The Philadelphia Police Department announced Wednesday it had taken 72 officers off the streets in response to the discovery of thousands of offensive social media posts by the officers, including violent messages and racist memes. The officers were placed on desk duty as the social media scandal brews, implicating more than 300 officers of the city’s 6,500-officer police force. “We’ve talked about from the outset how disturbing, how disappointing and upsetting these posts are,” Philadelphia Police Commissioner Richard Ross said Wednesday. “They will undeniably impact police-community relations.”

The posts came to light as part of the work of the Plain View Project, a group of lawyers that began monitoring the social media accounts of Philadelphia officers in the fall of 2017 in order to assess whether the officers’ online behavior eroded public trust in the police force.
Other cities and especially Sheriffs' departments need to follow suit...
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Post by Pyperkub » Wed Aug 21, 2019 3:09 pm

If you're black, you must be a gang member, and that justifies anything:
London Wallace had no gang connections and no criminal history.

"He's a high school kid. He likes playing basketball. He's a nice, calm, timid person," Kane said. "And you can kind of see that in the video. He's not used to police contact."

Officer Christopher Martinez wrote in his report that he thought Wallace was going to try to run away. He said he punched Wallace three times in the face, which let the officer get his back off the second story balcony railing.

Legal analyst Ralph Torres says police usually have a built-in civil lawsuit defense of fearing for the officer's safety.

"But in this case, the kid was patted down. There was nothing there," Torres said. "And I don't see anything that was consistent with an officer basically putting his fist right through his face."
Nolan Kane says it's important for the public to see the body camera footage so they can get the full picture, which often benefits police, but not in this case.

"In this case, it's not going to be London's word against the officer's word. The jury's going to get to see the full footage and they'll be able to decide whether this is something that's acceptable," Kane said.
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Post by Pyperkub » Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:06 pm

They must have whiffed really badly screening this cop:
A Cleveland police officer was indicted on Wednesday on charges of attempted kidnapping and multiple counts of sexual offenses involving a 12-year-old girl, whom he urinated on at a school bus stop after she refused to get in his car, prosecutors said.
Oh, and he recorded it on his cellphone...
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Re: Cops behaving badly

Post by LawBeefaroni » Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:40 pm

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They must have whiffed really badly screening this cop:
A Cleveland police officer was indicted on Wednesday on charges of attempted kidnapping and multiple counts of sexual offenses involving a 12-year-old girl, whom he urinated on at a school bus stop after she refused to get in his car, prosecutors said.
Oh, and he recorded it on his cellphone...
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Re: Cops behaving badly

Post by malchior » Thu Aug 29, 2019 12:29 pm

That off-duty police shooting at Costco...sounds a whole lot like manslaughter.
Paola French described what happened next as her son pushing or shoving the officer, while other witnesses described it as a punch or a strike, Galipo said.

The momentum of the strike caused Sanchez to move forward, and some witnesses have said that he loss balance and "temporarily went to the ground," Galipo said. Sanchez then allegedly handed his son to his wife, pulled out his gun and announced that he was a police officer, Galipo said.

At that point, Kenneth French was "moving away" from Sanchez, Galipo said. When his parents saw Sanchez pull out the gun and identify himself as a police officer, Russell French yelled out, "Don't shoot. My son is sick," Galipo said.

"I begged and told him not to shoot," Russell French said. "I said we have no guns and my son is sick. He still shot."

Paola French yelled out, "Please don't shoot. Please don't shoot," Galipo said.

Sanchez then allegedly fired at least eight rounds, striking all three family members, Galipo said. A man inside Costco stood and prayed over Russell French as he lied on the ground bleeding, he said.
So get pushed or struck *admittedly hard* by someone...respond by lighting up the whole family. Sounds reasonable. Anyway, If this was anyone but a cop they would almost certainly be indicted.

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Re: Cops behaving badly

Post by Pyperkub » Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:51 pm

Judge Dredd's American Police State:
In one courtroom, Judge Richard Sinnott refused to drop charges against seven protesters -- even though prosecutors had requested the dismissals. He then had the protesters' defense lawyer arrested for trying to recite the law in court. In another courtroom, Judge Thomas Horgan told three protesters to "stay out of Boston." Because we live in a fucking police state.

For her part, Suffolk County District Attorney Rachael Rollins has vigorously opposed Judge Sinnot's bullshit, calling his conduct "unprecedented and outrageous" and filing an emergency petition with the Supreme Judicial Court to get the cases dismissed...

...There are so many disgraceful abuses of power going on that it's hard to even know where to start.

Oh, I know! Let's start with arresting lawyers for doing their jobs.

As described by Mass Live,

Susan Church, a criminal defense and immigration attorney, was representing a counter-protester in court on Wednesday when she had a disagreement with Judge Richard Sinnott. She was trying to read caselaw about a motion that prosecutors filed to drop charges against her client, Roderick Webber. Sinnott ordered her to be taken into custody.
Church was held for several hours before being released. Speaking after her release, Church said she had been "unlawfully, unreasonably and, honestly, outrageously arrested for simply doing my job."
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Re: Cops behaving badly

Post by Isgrimnur » Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:49 am

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Dallas Officer Amber Guyger, who is facing a manslaughter charge after fatally shooting 26-year-old Botham Jean in his Cedars apartment Sept. 6, was fired Monday.
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A Dallas County grand jury has indicted fired Dallas police officer Amber Guyger on a murder charge in the shooting death of Botham Jean, the 26-year-old man killed at his apartment in September, according to online court records.
Guyger has been found guilty of murder.

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Re: Cops behaving badly

Post by Isgrimnur » Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:53 am

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That off-duty police shooting at Costco...sounds a whole lot like manslaughter.

So get pushed or struck *admittedly hard* by someone...respond by lighting up the whole family. Sounds reasonable. Anyway, If this was anyone but a cop they would almost certainly be indicted.
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A grand jury has declined to bring criminal charges in the case of an intellectually disabled man who was shot and killed by an off-duty Los Angeles police officer following a physical confrontation between the two in a Corona Costco back in June, according to the Riverside County District Attorney.
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“There was approximately 3.8 seconds between when Mr. Sanchez was struck and the first round was fired,” said Joe DelGiudice, chief of the Bureau of Investigation for the DA’s office.

Sanchez fired 10 total rounds, four of which struck French. He was hit three times in the back and once in the shoulder, Johnstone told reporters. One round each struck French’s parents.

“The officer after being struck, thought he had been shot and believed there was an active shooter in front of him,” Hestrin said.

Sanchez, who has been with LAPD since 2012, has since been on paid administrative leave while the Riverside County D.A.’s Office investigates.

Hestrin said that just because Sanchez won’t face state criminal charges, he could still face department discipline or civil action.
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The French family has filed a complaint – the precursor to a lawsuit – against both LAPD and the city of L.A. that alleges Sanchez acted based on “inadequate and inappropriate training.”

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Re: Cops behaving badly

Post by malchior » Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:05 pm

Get me a fainting couch. According to KTLA the man was 20 feet away and running away. He was shot 3 times in the back and once in the shoulder. Also still - whole family got lit up. "Unfortunately" the camera closest to the incident failed and the only footage available was from a very far distance and not usable.

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Re: Cops behaving badly

Post by LawBeefaroni » Sun Oct 06, 2019 9:25 am

Isgrimnur wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:49 am
Isgrimnur wrote:
Fri Nov 30, 2018 4:28 pm
Isgrimnur wrote:
Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:44 pm
Dallas
Dallas Officer Amber Guyger, who is facing a manslaughter charge after fatally shooting 26-year-old Botham Jean in his Cedars apartment Sept. 6, was fired Monday.
WFAA
A Dallas County grand jury has indicted fired Dallas police officer Amber Guyger on a murder charge in the shooting death of Botham Jean, the 26-year-old man killed at his apartment in September, according to online court records.
Guyger has been found guilty of murder.



Strange.


A key witness in Amber Guyger's murder trial was shot and killed Friday evening at an apartment complex near Dallas' Medical District, authorities said.

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Brown, 28, lived across the hall from Jean and testified about the night he was killed.

A preliminary investigation shows Brown was shot in the back and thigh, a government official said on condition of anonymity.
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Re: Cops behaving badly

Post by Drazzil » Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:43 am

LawBeefaroni wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2019 9:25 am
Isgrimnur wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:49 am
Isgrimnur wrote:
Fri Nov 30, 2018 4:28 pm
Isgrimnur wrote:
Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:44 pm
Dallas
Dallas Officer Amber Guyger, who is facing a manslaughter charge after fatally shooting 26-year-old Botham Jean in his Cedars apartment Sept. 6, was fired Monday.
WFAA
A Dallas County grand jury has indicted fired Dallas police officer Amber Guyger on a murder charge in the shooting death of Botham Jean, the 26-year-old man killed at his apartment in September, according to online court records.
Guyger has been found guilty of murder.



Strange.


A key witness in Amber Guyger's murder trial was shot and killed Friday evening at an apartment complex near Dallas' Medical District, authorities said.

....


Brown, 28, lived across the hall from Jean and testified about the night he was killed.

A preliminary investigation shows Brown was shot in the back and thigh, a government official said on condition of anonymity.
Brown was murdered by the cops for sure.
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Re: Cops behaving badly

Post by stimpy » Tue Oct 08, 2019 8:37 am

Drazzil wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:43 am
LawBeefaroni wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2019 9:25 am
Isgrimnur wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:49 am
Isgrimnur wrote:
Fri Nov 30, 2018 4:28 pm
Isgrimnur wrote:
Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:44 pm
Dallas
Dallas Officer Amber Guyger, who is facing a manslaughter charge after fatally shooting 26-year-old Botham Jean in his Cedars apartment Sept. 6, was fired Monday.
WFAA
A Dallas County grand jury has indicted fired Dallas police officer Amber Guyger on a murder charge in the shooting death of Botham Jean, the 26-year-old man killed at his apartment in September, according to online court records.
Guyger has been found guilty of murder.



Strange.


A key witness in Amber Guyger's murder trial was shot and killed Friday evening at an apartment complex near Dallas' Medical District, authorities said.

....


Brown, 28, lived across the hall from Jean and testified about the night he was killed.

A preliminary investigation shows Brown was shot in the back and thigh, a government official said on condition of anonymity.
Brown was murdered by the cops for sure.
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Post by Lorini » Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:00 pm

The statistics in this article are pretty damning in my opinion: (sorry the image is so big but /timg doesn't apparently work here).

Los Angeles is 10% black, 40% Latinx, 40% white.

https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la- ... story.html

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Re: Cops behaving badly

Post by stessier » Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:15 pm

Lorini wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:00 pm
The statistics in this article are pretty damning in my opinion: (sorry the image is so big but /timg doesn't apparently work here).

Los Angeles is 10% black, 40% Latinx, 40% white.

https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la- ... story.html

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Post by stessier » Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:18 pm

Drazzil wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:43 am
LawBeefaroni wrote:
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Strange.
A key witness in Amber Guyger's murder trial was shot and killed Friday evening at an apartment complex near Dallas' Medical District, authorities said.
....
Brown, 28, lived across the hall from Jean and testified about the night he was killed.
A preliminary investigation shows Brown was shot in the back and thigh, a government official said on condition of anonymity.
Brown was murdered by the cops for sure.
News reports this morning were that he had been shot at multiple times over the past year. I just saw it in passing, so not sure if he had a history of nefarious dealings that made his death more likely or not.
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Post by LawBeefaroni » Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:58 pm

The slightly better hit rate tells me that they are slightly more discerning when searching whites. Other than that, they're all roughly in the same hit rate of 16%-20%.
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A key witness in Amber Guyger's murder trial was shot and killed Friday evening at an apartment complex near Dallas' Medical District, authorities said.

....


Brown, 28, lived across the hall from Jean and testified about the night he was killed.

A preliminary investigation shows Brown was shot in the back and thigh, a government official said on condition of anonymity.
I'm wary of conspiracy theories, but this is super fishy.

It's come out that Brown was also shot in the mouth (the traditional punishment for squealing), and the police story is that the killers had come to Dallas from Louisiana to buy marijuana from him.

The killers drove to Dallas from Louisiana for WEED?? Are there no bars, restaurant kitchens, or high schools in Louisiana?
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Post by Lorini » Tue Oct 08, 2019 6:04 pm

Agreed Holman. The story doesn't make a lot of sense to me either.
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Post by Lorini » Tue Oct 08, 2019 6:06 pm

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The slightly better hit rate tells me that they are slightly more discerning when searching whites. Other than that, they're all roughly in the same hit rate of 16%-20%.
I think the point is that even if what you say is true, there is no evidence to support searching non whites vs whites at the rate they are doing so.
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Post by LawBeefaroni » Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:09 pm

Lorini wrote:
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The slightly better hit rate tells me that they are slightly more discerning when searching whites. Other than that, they're all roughly in the same hit rate of 16%-20%.
I think the point is that even if what you say is true, there is no evidence to support searching non whites vs whites at the rate they are doing so.
Are they working on a quota system where they are told to search blacks? And what is the solution? Stop searching when they hit a certain percentage?


It's not as simple as mere %s. Certain communities are higher crime because they are often higher poverty. This is not fair. It's is the result of historical, institutionalized economic racism. It needs to be addressed. But the police stop and search numbers are a result of this. They are not the cause.

The decision to search results in contraband in a 4% margin across all races indicates that whatever causes police to search is roughly equally effective across all races.

Now I'm willing to bet, and agree, that the decision to stop is also stacked against minorities and that is another topic but I'd also bet it's targeted by community/neighborhood.
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Post by Lorini » Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:30 pm

Given the rates then why aren't white people searched more often? Right? I mean if white people have contraband as often as the other minorities then they should be searched more often right? But they aren't.
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I think Dave Chapelle did a bit about that.
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Post by LawBeefaroni » Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:52 pm

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Given the rates then why aren't white people searched more often? Right? I mean if white people have contraband as often as the other minorities then they should be searched more often right? But they aren't.
Maybe, maybe not. Presumably they're aren't searching at random. You could look at it as cops being right 20% of the time with whites and 17% with blacks. Again, IMO an insignificant difference but still right more with whites. Which would mean not reason to search more strictly based on the numbers.

Hell, they could search whites when they don't think there's contraband just to drive down the numbers. Weird/bad things happen when cops get quotas.
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Post by Lorini » Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:56 pm

Sad you think it's a 'quota' when the differences are so large. What advocates including me want is fair treatment from the cops we pay for. And those numbers don't show fair treatment.
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Sad you think it's a 'quota' when the differences are so large. What advocates including me want is fair treatment from the cops we pay for. And those numbers don't show fair treatment.
I don't think it's a quota. I'm asking if the perception is that it's a quota. And I'm saying that the solution isn't a quota.


What does fair treatment look like? Perfectly equal statistics?
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Post by Lorini » Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:59 pm

From the article:
Citywide in 2018, 43% of violent crime suspects were black and 40% were Latino, according to LAPD statistics. Experts say this does not justify the disparate search rates, because contraband is found less often on the groups that are searched more often.

“At its simplest level, it appears that blacks and Latinos are being subjected to a lower threshold of suspicion in order to be searched,” said Jack Glaser, a professor of public policy at UC Berkeley who has studied traffic stop data.

Glaser said the 24% search rate for African Americans raises questions about whether LAPD officers are targeting them because of their race.

“If you are searching a quarter of the people you’re stopping, you’re looking to search people,” he said. “You’re not just pulling people over for running stop signs and then happening to see they have a gun-shaped bulge in their pocket.”

Lorie Fridell, a criminology professor at the University of South Florida who authored a pioneering study on stop data, said the lower contraband rates for whites are a “warning signal” and should be reviewed by LAPD officials.

“Even though we can never prove or disprove bias, they are a strong red flag for unjustifiable disparity that requires an agency to at least take a closer look at the search practices,” said Fridell, who has conducted federally funded training on bias at police departments across the country.
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Post by Skinypupy » Sun Oct 13, 2019 10:08 am

Last night, woman in Ft Worth leaves her door open at 2am.

Neighbor finds that suspicious, calls the cops for a welfare check.

Cops proceed to murder her.

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Post by Drazzil » Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:51 pm

I think it's time to disarm cops nationwide. No sidearms, just tazers and a shotgun in the trunk.
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Post by LawBeefaroni » Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:03 pm

There are 4 extremely simple rules of firearm safety that even cops should follow. One of them is to always know/identify your target and what is behind it. All other details of this Ft. Worth incident aside, the officer did not follow at least one, and possibly 3, of the 4 cardinal rules and IMO that makes this a bad shoot. Whether it's murder or negligent homicide, that's where the details come in.
(Assuming the relevant details in the story are accurate and complete)


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I think it's time to disarm cops nationwide. No sidearms, just tazers and a shotgun in the trunk.
I'm sure criminals would agree to similar disarmament, right?
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Post by Isgrimnur » Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:16 pm

The officer quit before he was to be fired.

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Post by Isgrimnur » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:27 pm

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The Fort Worth Police Department officer who fired into a home, killing Atatiana Jefferson, has been charged with murder.

Aaron Dean, 34, was booked into jail Monday afternoon. Online court records show the now-fired officer was booked into the Tarrant County jail and charged with murder. A bond has not been set.
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Chief Kraus added that he was going to meet with Dean Monday morning to fire him for violating the use of force policy, de-escalation policy, and for unprofessional conduct, but he resigned before that.
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The other officer who responded with Dean is being treated as a witness in the criminal and administrative investigations.

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Post by Jaddison » Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:55 am

The resign before you are fired trick is a LEO staple to allow you to go to some other LEO job with near impunity....unless you end up being chrged with a crime of course and even then it has not stopped some from getting a new LEO job

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A murder warrant for Aaron Dean, the Fort Worth officer who killed Atatiana Jefferson in her home, recounts what led up to the shooting from the perspective of her 8-year-old nephew.

The boy, who was in the room with Jefferson when she was shot, told a forensic interviewer that he and his aunt were playing video games together about 2:30 a.m. Saturday when she heard noises outside their home in the 1200 block of East Allen Avenue.

Jefferson, 28, took her handgun from her purse and pointed it “toward the window” before she was shot, the nephew said, according to the arrest-warrant affidavit.
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Interim Police Chief Ed Kraus said at a news conference Tuesday that it “makes sense that she would have a gun if she felt that she was being threatened or there was someone in the backyard.”
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Fort Worth Mayor Betsy Price, speaking at a news conference Monday, said the gun was irrelevant.
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Kraus said previously that the department’s decision to release a still image of the firearm found in the room where Jefferson was shot — without any further information about the weapon or what it had to do with the case — wasn’t the right call.

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