[movie] Blade Runner 2049
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Re: [movie] Blade Runner 2049
WOW. I went to BR2049 this afternoon, the first time I've seen a theatrical release by myself since something like 1992.
I thought it was excellent. There were maybe two or three scenes out of three hours that I felt weren't as good as the rest, but on the whole it's an incredible experience. The world is very fully realized, and the secrets are worth teasing out.
I decided to go alone because a coworker saw it on opening weekend and declared (after I mentioned seeing the original with my boys) that the new movie would be "totally and completely inappropriate" for anyone's kids.
Call me a monster, but I can't agree at all. There is significant fist/knife/gun violence, but it's on a par with nearly every other action movie of the past 20 years. There are boobs, but the sexual content is (apart from a one-second suggestion of prostitution overheard behind opaque walls) pretty restrained and even tasteful.
I thought it was excellent. There were maybe two or three scenes out of three hours that I felt weren't as good as the rest, but on the whole it's an incredible experience. The world is very fully realized, and the secrets are worth teasing out.
I decided to go alone because a coworker saw it on opening weekend and declared (after I mentioned seeing the original with my boys) that the new movie would be "totally and completely inappropriate" for anyone's kids.
Call me a monster, but I can't agree at all. There is significant fist/knife/gun violence, but it's on a par with nearly every other action movie of the past 20 years. There are boobs, but the sexual content is (apart from a one-second suggestion of prostitution overheard behind opaque walls) pretty restrained and even tasteful.
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JSHAW wrote:WHY do people think the more money a movie makes means it's a good or bad movie?
What's a great movie to one person is another person's shitty movie. It's all opinion.
When was that ever said? I'm assuming you're basing this off my post... I said not a good start. Never said anything about the movie...
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On Deckard's status and possible retcon issues:
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Holman wrote:On Deckard's status and possible retcon issues:
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BR and especially BR2049 strongly imply that being a Replicant is all about genes. There's no mechanical augmentation involved.Alefroth wrote:Holman wrote:On Deckard's status and possible retcon issues:
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At which point the old question returns: aren't Replicants just more perfect humans? Why are Replicants Replicants?
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Yes, a very interesting movie IMO, and by golly Science Fiction.
I saw it Friday night, and attendance was low (non 3D), but the whole cinema was pretty dead, seemed to me. Shame, this is a real beauty on the big screen. I also had enough of the BWAAAAOOO, I wondered at some point if that was the trade off for bitchin' flying cars, their engines occasionally make a sound like a space whale stepping on a Lego.
I think Deckard's human, unicorn be damned. Holman is right on the mundane reasons; why not just have Deckard the Chimneysweep meet Rachel the Snake Scale Engraver, conveniently in the bowels of the ziggurat? Of course, I know that such logic in film is, at best, useless. At worst, no one will watch movies with you.
I saw it Friday night, and attendance was low (non 3D), but the whole cinema was pretty dead, seemed to me. Shame, this is a real beauty on the big screen. I also had enough of the BWAAAAOOO, I wondered at some point if that was the trade off for bitchin' flying cars, their engines occasionally make a sound like a space whale stepping on a Lego.
I think Deckard's human, unicorn be damned. Holman is right on the mundane reasons; why not just have Deckard the Chimneysweep meet Rachel the Snake Scale Engraver, conveniently in the bowels of the ziggurat? Of course, I know that such logic in film is, at best, useless. At worst, no one will watch movies with you.
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Is he miserable? More than anything else, he seems devoid of deep emotion. Perhaps his conditioned memories have set him up to be the perfect hardboiled film-noir detective.RuperT wrote:[De-spoilered:]
Plus, Deckard's too goddamn miserable all the time not to be human!
Gosling plays his Replicant detective the same way until a certain point.
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The only thing that's "made clear" is Rachel. Deckard is still as debatable as ever.Holman wrote:It's made clear in BR2049. Some might call it a retcon, but I think it works.pr0ner wrote:To Malificent:
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One question I had that remains unresolved:
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Ralph-Wiggum wrote:One question I had that remains unresolved:
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Holman wrote:Ralph-Wiggum wrote:One question I had that remains unresolved:
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Saw it this afternoon, loved it.
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With Tyrell's secrecy it's unlikely he told the cops (it Olmos's line yes?) that his evolutionary leap illegal replicants had long lifeapans.Jaymann wrote:'Malificent wrote:pr0ner wrote:Regarding Deckard:
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Wait a minute, how does that fit with:Spoiler:
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Just got back from seeing it this evening. In short, I loved it.
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Saw it tonight in IMAX 2D. I was prepared for disaster and pleased to find it a worthy successor that makes interesting use of the archetype while contributing new themes and ideas to those already in play.
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just saw it tonight. there were some excellent shots and some very good sound design. music was genuinely wondrous at times. i appreciated that the story took its time (relative to a movie's standard running length) and wasn't overly rushed. i also appreciated that not all the foreshadowing hit you over the head, and that Ryan Gosling actually displayed some subtle acting skills. it still came across as competent fanfic - the original *really* didn't need a sequel. anyhow, i think i liked Villaneuve's directorial style and i'm going to seek out _Arrival_ (which i have not seen yet).
i feel like this was setting up for another sequel, since it ended before 'stuff went down'.
i feel like this was setting up for another sequel, since it ended before 'stuff went down'.
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Read a story that said it died at the box office because:
1. Long runtime was a big commitment, especially for young people who aren't familiar with the original;
2. Necessity of seeing the original first adds to the time commitment;
3. The existence of multiple versions of the original confused potential viewers;
4. It's not an action movie, which young viewers expect; and
5. It doesn't fit into a theater's usual scheduling. If they typically slot a film for six two-hour blocks per day, they could only squeeze in four for this film. So 50% fewer screenings.
It's expected to do better overseas, where viewers have longer attention spans and more interest in non-action films.
I will wait for DVD myself due to the long runtime, and because I need to see the original again first, and the DVD is a "very long wait" on netflix.
1. Long runtime was a big commitment, especially for young people who aren't familiar with the original;
2. Necessity of seeing the original first adds to the time commitment;
3. The existence of multiple versions of the original confused potential viewers;
4. It's not an action movie, which young viewers expect; and
5. It doesn't fit into a theater's usual scheduling. If they typically slot a film for six two-hour blocks per day, they could only squeeze in four for this film. So 50% fewer screenings.
It's expected to do better overseas, where viewers have longer attention spans and more interest in non-action films.
I will wait for DVD myself due to the long runtime, and because I need to see the original again first, and the DVD is a "very long wait" on netflix.
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Certainly it will add to the experience, but I don't think it's absolutely necessary to see the original film before seeing 2049. My girlfriend had never seen the original but still really enjoyed this one. We just watched a three minute summary of the original on YouTube before heading to the theater.
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I would just say that this is a movie that needs to be seen on the big screen. I know that term gets thrown out there a lot, but the cinematography on this movie is amazing. As well as the sound design.Kraken wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:19 am Read a story that said it died at the box office because:
1. Long runtime was a big commitment, especially for young people who aren't familiar with the original;
2. Necessity of seeing the original first adds to the time commitment;
3. The existence of multiple versions of the original confused potential viewers;
4. It's not an action movie, which young viewers expect; and
5. It doesn't fit into a theater's usual scheduling. If they typically slot a film for six two-hour blocks per day, they could only squeeze in four for this film. So 50% fewer screenings.
It's expected to do better overseas, where viewers have longer attention spans and more interest in non-action films.
I will wait for DVD myself due to the long runtime, and because I need to see the original again first, and the DVD is a "very long wait" on netflix.
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If Deakins doesn't win the Oscar for cinematography for BR2049, something is terribly wrong.
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Agree, it was really quite spectacular.
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Re: [movie] Blade Runner 2049
Kraken wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:19 am Read a story that said it died at the box office because:
1. Long runtime was a big commitment, especially for young people who aren't familiar with the original;
2. Necessity of seeing the original first adds to the time commitment;
3. The existence of multiple versions of the original confused potential viewers;
4. It's not an action movie, which young viewers expect; and
5. It doesn't fit into a theater's usual scheduling. If they typically slot a film for six two-hour blocks per day, they could only squeeze in four for this film. So 50% fewer screenings.
It's expected to do better overseas, where viewers have longer attention spans and more interest in non-action films.
I will wait for DVD myself due to the long runtime, and because I need to see the original again first, and the DVD is a "very long wait" on netflix.
Makes me wish the new Blade Runner had come out with the same production values but as a brief HBO miniseries.
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This was likely already mentioned earlier in the thread, but don't forget there are several official Youtube shorts that provide some additional context between the events of the original and the sequel:
Of course, I'm now left with the real burning question:
- BLADE RUNNER 2049 - "2048: Nowhere to Run" Short
- BLADE RUNNER 2049 - "2036: Nexus Dawn" Short
- BLADE RUNNER 2049 - "Black Out 2022" Anime Short
Of course, I'm now left with the real burning question:
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this reminds me...Anonymous Bosch wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:39 pm
Of course, I'm now left with the real burning question:
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Re: [movie] Blade Runner 2049
hitbyambulance wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:51 pmthis reminds me...Anonymous Bosch wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:39 pm
Of course, I'm now left with the real burning question:
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I watched the first 2 but then I realized that I prefer the ambiguity of what & how we got to the world of 2049. Wish I hadn't seen them but they are easy enough to forget/ignore/pretend and convince myself I never saw them.Anonymous Bosch wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:39 pm This was likely already mentioned earlier in the thread, but don't forget there are several official Youtube shorts that provide some additional context between the events of the original and the sequel:
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Watched the original Blade Runner last night and then went to the new one this afternoon. Absolutely loved it. A great movie experience. The sounds and visuals were stunning. Ford was great.
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I'm on day 3 of slogging my way through the almost 3 hour runtime. Can the characters talk/walk/move any slower?
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Slow pacing is part of the lore.
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Were her eyes really green?
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Sean Young's eyes are definitely brown, but in the (original) BR scene where Deckard administers the Voight-Kampff test to Rachael, the eye in the machine's screen is green.
BR enthusiasts have debated whether this is intentional or a continuity error.
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Missed this in the theater, but just caught it on demand. Loved it!
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I also missed it. I missed the first one too though. I just have not watched this one because Im afraid it will ruin stuff from the first one I love. Or my ideas at least. I want the first one to stay as it is.
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You definitely missed out; the visuals and sound were outstanding at the cinema. More importantly, I think it easily ranks among the top science fiction movies released in the 21st century. It certainly doesn't ruin anything about the original at all.
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And on top of that, BR2049 is basically a love-letter to the original.
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+1 to what Holman & Anonymous Bosch said.
It really is a great movie despite it's plot holes and Jared Leto. Actually, I think he's fine in this but some people really seem to hate him.
It really is a great movie despite it's plot holes and Jared Leto. Actually, I think he's fine in this but some people really seem to hate him.
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after some more months of contemplation, i'll rephrase what i originally said - it's tragic that this was a sequel to a film that absolutely did NOT need a sequel and so, as a result, i'll never really be into this one - i do like many other, non-sequel-related things about it. sort of a weird opinion i don't think i've held before. i'll probably watch it again.
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Saw this a second time and still have the same opinion from the first. I loved it and think it is in my top three favorite scfi movies of all time. Watching it in the theater was mind blowing with the enormous sound and visuals. Absolutely love it. Also, enjoyed watching Harrison Ford in this one. Much better performance than his recent Star Wars acting.
Great movie.
Great movie.