Fundraising for 2019/2020: 12 Months Renewed - We are good until October 2020. Paypal Donation Link Here

Malaysian Airlines plane crashes at Ukraine/Russian border

Everything else!

Moderators: Bakhtosh, EvilHomer3k

User avatar
DD*
Posts: 4706
Joined: Thu Nov 09, 2006 2:42 pm
Location: Detroit, where the weak are killed and eaten
DD’s avatar
Loading…

Re: Malaysian Airlines plane crashes at Ukraine/Russian bord

Post by DD* » Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:30 pm

Crabbs wrote:
Daehawk wrote:3 newborn babies....80 children.....AIDS researchers....+ more fellow humans = 298.
All those lost souls because of a dick swinging contest between East & West.... Putin wants to restore the USSR in the form of a new Russian empire... sigh
FTFY
Are you a prostitute Rip? Because you blow the margins more than a $5 hooker. -rshetts2

Much like bravery is acting in spite of fear, being a functioning adult is acting responsibly in the face of temptation. -Isg

User avatar
Grifman
Posts: 18162
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 7:17 pm

Re: Malaysian Airlines plane crashes at Ukraine/Russian bord

Post by Grifman » Fri Jul 18, 2014 9:42 pm

Crabbs wrote:
Daehawk wrote:3 newborn babies....80 children.....AIDS researchers....+ more fellow humans = 298.
All those lost souls because of a dick swinging contest between East & West.... sigh
Only the most obtuse would believe that there is a moral equivalence between the two here.
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions. – G.K. Chesterton

User avatar
Crabbs
Posts: 3580
Joined: Mon Oct 18, 2004 11:49 am
Contact:

Re: Malaysian Airlines plane crashes at Ukraine/Russian bord

Post by Crabbs » Fri Jul 18, 2014 10:22 pm

Grifman wrote:
Crabbs wrote:
Daehawk wrote:3 newborn babies....80 children.....AIDS researchers....+ more fellow humans = 298.
All those lost souls because of a dick swinging contest between East & West.... sigh
Only the most obtuse would believe that there is a moral equivalence between the two here.
Dufrensne are you calling me obtuse?
'The time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time.'
- Bertrand Russell -

Wii # 2042 8377 5645 6582

The Rainbow's Reward

Olivia's Big Adventure

User avatar
Rip
Posts: 26885
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 9:34 pm
Location: Cajun Country!
Contact:
Rip’s avatar
Loading…

Re: Malaysian Airlines plane crashes at Ukraine/Russian bord

Post by Rip » Fri Jul 18, 2014 10:53 pm

The pro-rebel website Russkaya Vesna on Friday quoted Igor Girkin as saying he was told by people at the crash site that "a significant number of the bodies weren't fresh," adding that he was told they were drained of blood and reeked of decomposition.
Girkin, also known as Strelkov and allegedly a former Russian military intelligence agent, said he couldn't confirm the information. But it's sure to add to the intense emotions surrounding the crash, with the rebels accused of shooting down the plane.

Girkin said "Ukrainian authorities are capable of any baseness."

He claimed that a large amount of blood serum and medications were found in the wreckage.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/ ... 8-14-22-48

:liar:

User avatar
Kasey Chang
Posts: 17428
Joined: Sat Oct 30, 2004 4:20 pm
Location: San Francisco, CA
Contact:

Re: Malaysian Airlines plane crashes at Ukraine/Russian bord

Post by Kasey Chang » Sat Jul 19, 2014 4:06 am

Did any body told this idiot that there were 100+ AIDS researchers on that flight, thus of COURSE there are going to be significant meds onboard?
My game FAQs | Join Massdrop and see what sort of deals they have! | Playing: ADR1FT, Frontier Pilot Simulator

User avatar
LawBeefaroni
Forum Moderator
Posts: 46703
Joined: Fri Oct 15, 2004 3:08 pm
Location: Urbs in Horto, where we only use the old smilies

Re: Malaysian Airlines plane crashes at Ukraine/Russian bord

Post by LawBeefaroni » Sat Jul 19, 2014 7:45 am

Rip wrote:
The pro-rebel website Russkaya Vesna on Friday quoted Igor Girkin as saying he was told by people at the crash site that "a significant number of the bodies weren't fresh," adding that he was told they were drained of blood and reeked of decomposition.
Girkin, also known as Strelkov and allegedly a former Russian military intelligence agent, said he couldn't confirm the information. But it's sure to add to the intense emotions surrounding the crash, with the rebels accused of shooting down the plane.

Girkin said "Ukrainian authorities are capable of any baseness."

He claimed that a large amount of blood serum and medications were found in the wreckage.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/ ... 8-14-22-48

:liar:
Bullshit, there are witnesses that saw these passengers off, alive and well. It's obvious why he'd say this and he gets credit for trying I guess, but there is no way out of it. They fucked up big time. It's an epic, historic error and no amount of lies will get them out if it. All this serves to do is turn the whole thing into a circus for the conspiracy nuts but the vast majority of the world will see through this pile of crap.
" Hey OP, listen to my advice alright." -Tha General
"No scientific discovery is named after its original discoverer." -Stigler's Law of Eponymy, discovered by Robert K. Merton

MYT

User avatar
Crabbs
Posts: 3580
Joined: Mon Oct 18, 2004 11:49 am
Contact:

Re: Malaysian Airlines plane crashes at Ukraine/Russian bord

Post by Crabbs » Sat Jul 19, 2014 8:50 am

LawBeefaroni wrote:
Rip wrote:
The pro-rebel website Russkaya Vesna on Friday quoted Igor Girkin as saying he was told by people at the crash site that "a significant number of the bodies weren't fresh," adding that he was told they were drained of blood and reeked of decomposition.
Girkin, also known as Strelkov and allegedly a former Russian military intelligence agent, said he couldn't confirm the information. But it's sure to add to the intense emotions surrounding the crash, with the rebels accused of shooting down the plane.

Girkin said "Ukrainian authorities are capable of any baseness."

He claimed that a large amount of blood serum and medications were found in the wreckage.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/ ... 8-14-22-48

:liar:
Bullshit, there are witnesses that saw these passengers off, alive and well. It's obvious why he'd say this and he gets credit for trying I guess, but there is no way out of it. They fucked up big time. It's an epic, historic error and no amount of lies will get them out if it. All this serves to do is turn the whole thing into a circus for the conspiracy nuts but the vast majority of the world will see through this pile of crap.
Lol, rotten bodies falling from the sky, that's just complete crazy talk. I'm always up for a good conspiracy, but if has to at least have plausibility.

Wait. Maybe someone hijacked the new plane and actually shot down the missing one from earlier this year with all the dead people on board, yeah that's it. ....
'The time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time.'
- Bertrand Russell -

Wii # 2042 8377 5645 6582

The Rainbow's Reward

Olivia's Big Adventure

User avatar
Mr Bubbles
Posts: 6613
Joined: Wed Jun 28, 2006 5:51 pm
Location: The Balcony of Southern California

Re: Malaysian Airlines plane crashes at Ukraine/Russian bord

Post by Mr Bubbles » Sat Jul 19, 2014 10:51 am

I have to see my wife and daughter off in a week to head to Germany. I couldn't imagine a fate like this for them. I hope justice comes swift and hard. Putin messed up really bad and he will pay. I agree there is no amount of lies that be piled on here that can distract from the fact Putin trained and supplied the rebels and now he has to sleep in the bed he made.
“The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.”
Bertrand Russell

User avatar
Kraken
Posts: 34478
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:59 pm
Location: The Hub of the Universe
Contact:
Kraken’s avatar
Offline

Re: Malaysian Airlines plane crashes at Ukraine/Russian bord

Post by Kraken » Sat Jul 19, 2014 12:07 pm

LawBeefaroni wrote:All this serves to do is turn the whole thing into a circus for the conspiracy nuts but the vast majority of the world will see through this pile of crap.
Yesterday I stumbled across a poorly written blog post that called this a Zionist false-flag operation to divert attention from the genocide in Gaza. There is no shortage of crazy on the internet. How it found its way into my google newsfeed is another question.

User avatar
Rip
Posts: 26885
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 9:34 pm
Location: Cajun Country!
Contact:
Rip’s avatar
Loading…

Re: Malaysian Airlines plane crashes at Ukraine/Russian bord

Post by Rip » Sat Jul 19, 2014 6:23 pm

Senior Western intelligence officials believe they have found evidence that the Russian commander Igor "Strelkov" Girkin oversaw the missile strike Thursday that downed a Malaysian commercial airliner over Ukraine, killing all 289 aboard, U.S. officials tell Fox News.

Girkin, whose nom de guerre means “shooter” in Russian, is the Russian commander who has overseen the uprising of ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine over roughly the past four months.

Girkin is a retired Russian military intelligence officer who purportedly served in the Russian FSB, the country’s internal security unit -- a part of the KGB that was renamed after the Soviet Union fell apart.

U.S. officials think Girkin oversaw the missile strike in part because of social media posts he made shortly after the Malaysian plane went down. And they have an intercepted phone conversation purportedly between a Girkin lieutenant and a handler in the Russian military intelligence service in which the fighter seems to say his team shot down the plane.

Girkin purportedly posted online: “Near (Snizhne) right now was hit an airplane An-26.”

“It is somewhere behind the mine ‘Progress,’ ” Girkin added.

Girkin previously served in Chechnya to put down an uprising against Moscow and led the Russian incursion into Crimea, in eastern Ukraine, earlier this year.

About five weeks ago, Girkin, who is not a Ukrainian, reportedly sought help from Moscow because he said the local ethnic Russians in Ukraine did not want to fight.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/07 ... strike-on/

Wow.

User avatar
Daehawk
Posts: 44091
Joined: Sat Jan 01, 2005 1:11 am

Re: Malaysian Airlines plane crashes at Ukraine/Russian bord

Post by Daehawk » Sat Jul 19, 2014 6:31 pm

Wonder how the rebels will think about that? My guess is they wont believe it.
https://www.gofundme.com/please-help-di ... -wife-died ....Help for me to take care of stuff . Wife died Jan 3 2019 after 31 years. My soulmate.
---------------------------------------------
I am Dyslexic of Borg, prepare to have your ass laminated.
GroovAtroN, stop asking
I guess Ray Butts has ate his last pancake.
http://steamcommunity.com/id/daehawk

User avatar
GreenGoo
Posts: 40570
Joined: Thu Oct 14, 2004 10:46 pm
Location: Ottawa, ON

Re: Malaysian Airlines plane crashes at Ukraine/Russian bord

Post by GreenGoo » Sat Jul 19, 2014 7:21 pm

would be nice if Russia "took care of him" for the huge blunder he's made.

User avatar
Holman
Posts: 21514
Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2004 8:00 pm
Location: Approximately Wissahickon

Re: Malaysian Airlines plane crashes at Ukraine/Russian bord

Post by Holman » Sat Jul 19, 2014 7:43 pm

Surely we have satellites watching everything that moves in a hotspot like the Ukraine/Russian border. Wouldn't a launch to that altitude have been detected and its origin pinpointed?

Given how quickly we pointed the finger, I assume the answer is Yes.
Much prefer my Nazis Nuremberged.

User avatar
Daehawk
Posts: 44091
Joined: Sat Jan 01, 2005 1:11 am

Re: Malaysian Airlines plane crashes at Ukraine/Russian bord

Post by Daehawk » Sat Jul 19, 2014 8:33 pm

We are it was and yup.
https://www.gofundme.com/please-help-di ... -wife-died ....Help for me to take care of stuff . Wife died Jan 3 2019 after 31 years. My soulmate.
---------------------------------------------
I am Dyslexic of Borg, prepare to have your ass laminated.
GroovAtroN, stop asking
I guess Ray Butts has ate his last pancake.
http://steamcommunity.com/id/daehawk

User avatar
Kasey Chang
Posts: 17428
Joined: Sat Oct 30, 2004 4:20 pm
Location: San Francisco, CA
Contact:

Re: Malaysian Airlines plane crashes at Ukraine/Russian bord

Post by Kasey Chang » Sat Jul 19, 2014 9:15 pm

Heck, they're even debating whether the Russians have packed up that launcher that fired the missiles and shipped it back to Russia. :)
My game FAQs | Join Massdrop and see what sort of deals they have! | Playing: ADR1FT, Frontier Pilot Simulator

User avatar
Kurth
Posts: 3294
Joined: Tue Jan 04, 2005 1:19 am
Location: Portland

Re: Malaysian Airlines plane crashes at Ukraine/Russian bord

Post by Kurth » Sun Jul 20, 2014 12:23 am

Kasey Chang wrote:Heck, they're even debating whether the Russians have packed up that launcher that fired the missiles and shipped it back to Russia. :)

What's to debate?
The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it -- John Gilmore

User avatar
Daehawk
Posts: 44091
Joined: Sat Jan 01, 2005 1:11 am

Re: Malaysian Airlines plane crashes at Ukraine/Russian bord

Post by Daehawk » Sun Jul 20, 2014 12:31 am

Kurth wrote:
Kasey Chang wrote:Heck, they're even debating whether the Russians have packed up that launcher that fired the missiles and shipped it back to Russia. :)

What's to debate?
ikr
https://www.gofundme.com/please-help-di ... -wife-died ....Help for me to take care of stuff . Wife died Jan 3 2019 after 31 years. My soulmate.
---------------------------------------------
I am Dyslexic of Borg, prepare to have your ass laminated.
GroovAtroN, stop asking
I guess Ray Butts has ate his last pancake.
http://steamcommunity.com/id/daehawk

User avatar
Rip
Posts: 26885
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 9:34 pm
Location: Cajun Country!
Contact:
Rip’s avatar
Loading…

Re: Malaysian Airlines plane crashes at Ukraine/Russian bord

Post by Rip » Sun Jul 20, 2014 7:42 pm

The embassy officials said that Russia last weekend sent a convoy of military equipment with up to 150 vehicles including tanks, armored personnel carriers, artillery and rocket launchers to the separatists They also said they have information indicating the separatists are being trained at a facility in southwest Russia on air-defense systems.

The pro-Russian separatist fighters, officials said, also have “demonstrated proficiency with surface-to-air missile systems and have downed more than a dozen aircraft over the past few months, including two large transport aircraft.”
Sounds like they could operate them just fine, but with no more experienced than that obviously not greatly skilled at it.
Russian President Vladimir Putin said Friday that Ukraine was responsible for the downing of the passenger plane because the country's central government had renewed its military campaign against the separatists.
:hand: :naughty: :snooty:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/07 ... -airplane/

User avatar
Isgrimnur
Posts: 62032
Joined: Sun Oct 15, 2006 12:29 am
Location: Chookity pok
Contact:

Re: Malaysian Airlines plane crashes at Ukraine/Russian bord

Post by Isgrimnur » Mon Jul 28, 2014 2:48 pm

Black box results
Data from the black box flight recorders of Flight MH17 show it was destroyed by shrapnel from a missile strike that caused a "massive explosive decompression", a Ukrainian official said yesterday.

Andriy Lysenko, spokesman for Ukraine's Security Council, told a news conference in Kiev the information came from experts analysing the recorders from the plane that came down in rebel-held territory in eastern Ukraine on July 17.

British air accident specialists have been tasked with downloading the data from two black boxes recovered from the Malaysia Airlines crash site and handing that information over to an investigation led by the Dutch Safety Board.

User avatar
Isgrimnur
Posts: 62032
Joined: Sun Oct 15, 2006 12:29 am
Location: Chookity pok
Contact:

Re: Malaysian Airlines plane crashes at Ukraine/Russian bord

Post by Isgrimnur » Tue Oct 13, 2015 2:53 pm

Dutch report out
A Russian-developed Buk missile detonated less than a yard away from Malaysia Airlines Flight 17's cockpit, causing the plane to break up over eastern Ukraine so quickly that it is likely the nearly 300 people aboard "were barely able to comprehend the situation" before they perished, Dutch investigators said Tuesday.
...
The long-awaited findings by the Dutch Safety Board offered a chilling account of the devastation aboard the Kuala Lumpur-bound airliner that was blown out of the sky over eastern Ukraine on July 17, 2014. The report marks the latest stage of evidence gathering as investigators try to sort out what happened to the plane, whose flight path took it directly over the war-torn region.

But the findings left unresolved the central question of responsibility, which became even murkier this week with conflicting reports from the missile's manufacturer. The report also did not specify what generation of missile brought down the plane. The Buk surface-to-air missile system, first developed in early 1970s by the Soviet Union, is part of the Russian arsenal and is a complicated air defense weapon designed to locate and engage targets by radar. While older versions are no longer in use by the Russians, various types of Buk systems are used by Ukraine and some other former Soviet republics.
That won't stop the Russians from acting all butthurt.
Russia on Tuesday said it had "serious doubts" about the goal of a Dutch inquiry into the downing of a Malaysia Airline plane over rebel-held eastern Ukraine last year.

The Russian foreign ministry reeled off a litany of perceived problems with the Dutch-led investigation, saying the work on it should continue.

"There remain serious doubts whether the genuine goal of an investigation conducted in the Netherlands is the establishment of true reasons behind the catastrophe and not a justification of accusations that have been put forward in advance," a foreign ministry spokeswoman said.
...
Earlier in the day the Russian maker of BUK missiles, Almaz-Antey sought to discredit the findings of the inquiry.

The Russian foreign ministry spokeswoman, Maria Zakharova, said in a statement that the foreign investigators had ignored the findings by Almaz-Antey and had not come to Russia to look into the company's conclusions despite being invited.

"Russia experts never got access to all the materials of the investigation," she added, reeling off a list of other issues.

User avatar
LawBeefaroni
Forum Moderator
Posts: 46703
Joined: Fri Oct 15, 2004 3:08 pm
Location: Urbs in Horto, where we only use the old smilies

Re: Malaysian Airlines plane crashes at Ukraine/Russian bord

Post by LawBeefaroni » Tue Oct 13, 2015 4:03 pm

Russia: We have evidence that the plane was shot down by Ukrainian air-to-air missiles and not a Russian-made SAM.
Facts: The plane was shot down by a Russian-made SAM.
Russia: Er, we have evidence that the Russian-made SAM that shot down the plane was Ukrainian and not Russian.


NYT wrote:There’s a lot riding on this conclusion — for instance, the costly Western sanctions imposed on Russia in the wake of the crash. And so, from the day the pieces of the plane rained down on Ukraine’s sunflower fields, Moscow has advanced its own theories about what brought down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17. From early claims that it was a Ukrainian attempt to bring down Vladimir Putin’s presidential plane to later, more technical explanations, the Russian media and Almaz-Antey have acted like defense attorneys in a criminal trial, deliberately muddying the waters, fastidiously creating as much reasonable doubt as possible to lead the scent away from their client.

The Dutch report implicitly fingers the Russians, but Kremlin-friendly newspapers have seized on stray details, like the report’s criticism of the Ukrainian government for not shutting down airspace over the conflict, and the big question it chose not to directly answer: Who fired the missile? (Determining ultimate responsibility, the authors of the report said, “falls outside the mandate of the Dutch Safety Board.”) The evening news across Russia showed not the Dutch news conference but the Moscow one, in which the reporter concluded that the Western version of events “doesn’t hold water.”

Given that 94 percent of Russians consider television their main source of news, and that 67 percent consider it a source of useful and objective information, it is no surprise that Russians have a radically different picture of what happened to the plane than their Western counterparts.
" Hey OP, listen to my advice alright." -Tha General
"No scientific discovery is named after its original discoverer." -Stigler's Law of Eponymy, discovered by Robert K. Merton

MYT

User avatar
Isgrimnur
Posts: 62032
Joined: Sun Oct 15, 2006 12:29 am
Location: Chookity pok
Contact:

Re: Malaysian Airlines plane crashes at Ukraine/Russian bord

Post by Isgrimnur » Tue Oct 13, 2015 4:06 pm

The lessons of the Soviet era die hard.

User avatar
LawBeefaroni
Forum Moderator
Posts: 46703
Joined: Fri Oct 15, 2004 3:08 pm
Location: Urbs in Horto, where we only use the old smilies

Re: Malaysian Airlines plane crashes at Ukraine/Russian bord

Post by LawBeefaroni » Tue Oct 13, 2015 4:09 pm

Same NYT article wrote:Put another way: Propaganda works. Putin has understood that from Day 1. Fifteen years ago, one of his first acts as president of the Russian Federation was to seize control of television and bring it under the authority of the state. (The saga is masterfully detailed in “Kremlin Rising,” the 2005 book by Susan Glasser and Peter Baker.) Controlling the television screen means controlling the reality that his subjects inhabit, and it has proved to be the most important bulwark of Putin’s hold on power. A week ago, when Russia began its air campaign in Syria, only 14 percent of Russians supported military intervention. A week of intense television programming later, only 28 percent oppose it.

Most Russians live in a reality parallel to the West, and this presents a serious political challenge. Sanctioning Moscow for downing a plane most Russians believe the Ukrainians shot down only makes them rally behind a leader they believe is unfairly targeted by Washington and Brussels. It has also made it easy for Moscow to blame Russia’s cratering economy not on its own bad management and metastatic corruption but on unjust Western sanctions.

Washington going after Putin for attacking non-Islamic State rebels in Syria only plays into Putin’s hands: If Russian citizens believe that Moscow is bombing the Islamic State, but that Washington is against it, does that mean that Washington is behind the Islamic State? Not surprisingly, versions of this theory have also blanketed the Russian media. It is also why Putin continues to enjoy such deliriously high approval ratings. They may be inexplicable to a Western audience, which uniformly sees Putin portrayed as a latter-day Bond villain, but to a Russian viewer who sees only the strength and sagacity of Putin splashed across his screen every night, what’s not to like?
" Hey OP, listen to my advice alright." -Tha General
"No scientific discovery is named after its original discoverer." -Stigler's Law of Eponymy, discovered by Robert K. Merton

MYT

User avatar
Kasey Chang
Posts: 17428
Joined: Sat Oct 30, 2004 4:20 pm
Location: San Francisco, CA
Contact:

Re: Malaysian Airlines plane crashes at Ukraine/Russian bord

Post by Kasey Chang » Tue Oct 13, 2015 5:02 pm

Only proves that Putin is more like Kim Jun-Un than anyone imagined.
My game FAQs | Join Massdrop and see what sort of deals they have! | Playing: ADR1FT, Frontier Pilot Simulator

User avatar
El Guapo
Posts: 32931
Joined: Sat Jul 09, 2005 4:01 pm
Location: Boston

Re: Malaysian Airlines plane crashes at Ukraine/Russian bord

Post by El Guapo » Tue Oct 13, 2015 5:44 pm

LawBeefaroni wrote:
Same NYT article wrote:Put another way: Propaganda works. Putin has understood that from Day 1. Fifteen years ago, one of his first acts as president of the Russian Federation was to seize control of television and bring it under the authority of the state. (The saga is masterfully detailed in “Kremlin Rising,” the 2005 book by Susan Glasser and Peter Baker.) Controlling the television screen means controlling the reality that his subjects inhabit, and it has proved to be the most important bulwark of Putin’s hold on power. A week ago, when Russia began its air campaign in Syria, only 14 percent of Russians supported military intervention. A week of intense television programming later, only 28 percent oppose it.
How much can you trust opinion polls conducted within an authoritarian state, though? There's plenty of reason for a Russian citizen to respond to opinion polls in a pro-government way. The change in opinion polls over that week could just as easily be explained by the fact that at the start of the week the Russian government was not actively conducting a military intervention in Syria, while at the end of the week they were.

User avatar
AWS260
Posts: 10526
Joined: Wed Feb 08, 2006 12:51 pm
Location: Brooklyn

Re: Malaysian Airlines plane crashes at Ukraine/Russian bord

Post by AWS260 » Tue Oct 13, 2015 6:57 pm

El Guapo wrote:
LawBeefaroni wrote:
Same NYT article wrote:Put another way: Propaganda works. Putin has understood that from Day 1. Fifteen years ago, one of his first acts as president of the Russian Federation was to seize control of television and bring it under the authority of the state. (The saga is masterfully detailed in “Kremlin Rising,” the 2005 book by Susan Glasser and Peter Baker.) Controlling the television screen means controlling the reality that his subjects inhabit, and it has proved to be the most important bulwark of Putin’s hold on power. A week ago, when Russia began its air campaign in Syria, only 14 percent of Russians supported military intervention. A week of intense television programming later, only 28 percent oppose it.
How much can you trust opinion polls conducted within an authoritarian state, though? There's plenty of reason for a Russian citizen to respond to opinion polls in a pro-government way. The change in opinion polls over that week could just as easily be explained by the fact that at the start of the week the Russian government was not actively conducting a military intervention in Syria, while at the end of the week they were.
87% of Russians disapprove of this post, Pravda reports.

User avatar
Isgrimnur
Posts: 62032
Joined: Sun Oct 15, 2006 12:29 am
Location: Chookity pok
Contact:

Re: Malaysian Airlines plane crashes at Ukraine/Russian bord

Post by Isgrimnur » Mon Apr 11, 2016 2:08 pm

Independent
Police have arrested a man on suspicion of trying to assassinate the chief expert witness in the investigation into the downing of the Malaysia Airlines jet MH17.

Ukraine’s most senior forensic scientist, Oleksandr Ruvin, was shot in the leg late last year in an attack that the authorities suspect was linked to his role in the crash probe.

In a short statement, the Ukrainian prosecutor’s office said the country’s chief military prosecutor, Anatoliy Matios, would hold a briefing later on Monday “regarding the arrest of the killer who attempted to murder the chief expert on the case of the downed Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777”.

User avatar
Max Peck
Posts: 7772
Joined: Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:09 pm
Location: Down the Rabbit-Hole

Re: Malaysian Airlines plane crashes at Ukraine/Russian bord

Post by Max Peck » Wed Sep 28, 2016 8:33 am

MH17 missile 'came from Russia', Dutch-led investigators say
International prosecutors investigating the downing of flight MH17 over eastern Ukraine in 2014 say the missile that hit the plane was fired from territory controlled by Russian-backed rebels.

They said the missile launcher was brought into Ukraine from Russia.

All 298 people on board the Boeing 777 died when it broke apart in midair flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur.

Relatives told the BBC that prosecutors said they would investigate about 100 people over the incident.

"They told us how the Buk was transported [and] how they came to that evidence from phone taps, photo, film material, video," Robby Oehler, whose niece was killed in the crash, told the BBC.

Russia has disputed claims that the missile was fired by rebels in eastern Ukraine.

The Dutch-led Joint Investigation Team (JIT) consists of prosecutors from the Netherlands, Australia, Belgium, Malaysia and Ukraine.

"Based on the criminal investigation, we have concluded that flight MH17 was downed by a Buk missile of the series 9M83 that came from the territory of the Russian Federation," chief Dutch police investigator Wilbert Paulissen said.

The missile launcher was later taken back to Russia, he said.

An inquiry by the Dutch Safety Board last year found that a Russian-made Buk missile hit the plane but did not say where it was fired from.

The JIT investigation's findings are meant to prepare the ground for a criminal trial but suspects will not be named.
Time and tide melt the snowman.

There are worlds out there where the sky is burning, where the sea's asleep and the rivers dream, people made of smoke and cities made of song. Somewhere there's danger, somewhere there's injustice and somewhere else the tea is getting cold. Come on, Ace, we've got work to do.
-- The Doctor

User avatar
GreenGoo
Posts: 40570
Joined: Thu Oct 14, 2004 10:46 pm
Location: Ottawa, ON

Re: Malaysian Airlines plane crashes at Ukraine/Russian bord

Post by GreenGoo » Wed Sep 28, 2016 12:51 pm

Would it be too much to ask someone, anyone, to pose a question to Drumpf related to this? I want to see either his confusion or bluster about something he hasn't a clue occurred, let alone understands its ramifications.

User avatar
Max Peck
Posts: 7772
Joined: Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:09 pm
Location: Down the Rabbit-Hole

Re: Malaysian Airlines plane crashes at Ukraine/Russian border

Post by Max Peck » Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:38 am

MH17: Four charged with shooting down plane over Ukraine
For the first time since Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was shot down in July 2014, prosecutors have announced charges against suspects in the case.

Three Russians and a Ukrainian have been charged with bringing a missile into the area in eastern Ukraine and with murdering 298 passengers and crew.

Passenger flight MH17 was en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur when it was shot down over conflict-hit Ukraine.

A court case will begin in the Netherlands on 9 March 2020.

International arrest warrants have been issued for the four men.

The Dutch-led joint investigation team (JIT) named the men as Igor Girkin, Sergey Dubinskiy and Oleg Pulatov from Russia, as well as Ukrainian Leonid Kharchenko.

The JIT, which seeks to try the suspects under Dutch law, previously said it had a "long list" of persons of interest and appealed again for witnesses as the investigation continues.
Time and tide melt the snowman.

There are worlds out there where the sky is burning, where the sea's asleep and the rivers dream, people made of smoke and cities made of song. Somewhere there's danger, somewhere there's injustice and somewhere else the tea is getting cold. Come on, Ace, we've got work to do.
-- The Doctor

Post Reply