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stessier wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:37 am
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That would be the same academy that today came out and backtracked from their previous position and said it should be left to the localities to make the decision based on the individual situations.

Edit: Wasn't today - was Friday. Sorry - time is a square circle.
Indeed, but that's a result of adverse political pressure in reaction to their original guidelines. It is a controversial topic, after all. Realistically, the science behind what the pediatrics infectious disease specialist specifically pointed out above has likely not changed significantly just over the weekend.
I would contend that the science is in it's infancy and because of poor testing, we have little understanding of the opportunity of spread.
Perhaps. But if that's true, why would the pediatrics infectious disease specialist (himself a father of two, still suffering symptoms after he and his wife contracted the coronavirus in March) and the American Academy of Pediatrics he represents willfully omit such crucial information from their assessment of the available scientific data as to the risks to and from children?
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Anonymous Bosch wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:21 am
stessier wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:37 am
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Mon Jul 13, 2020 6:23 pm
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Mon Jul 13, 2020 4:26 pm
That would be the same academy that today came out and backtracked from their previous position and said it should be left to the localities to make the decision based on the individual situations.

Edit: Wasn't today - was Friday. Sorry - time is a square circle.
Indeed, but that's a result of adverse political pressure in reaction to their original guidelines. It is a controversial topic, after all. Realistically, the science behind what the pediatrics infectious disease specialist specifically pointed out above has likely not changed significantly just over the weekend.
I would contend that the science is in it's infancy and because of poor testing, we have little understanding of the opportunity of spread.
Perhaps. But if that's true, why would the pediatrics infectious disease specialist (himself a father of two, still suffering symptoms after he and his wife contracted the coronavirus in March) and the American Academy of Pediatrics he represents willfully omit such crucial information from their assessment of the available scientific data as to the risks to and from children?
They didn't - follow the links and read the studies. They didn't point it out, but it's there for anyone to see. The WHO said as much as well.
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They didn't point it out, but it's there for anyone to see. The WHO said as much as well.
If "they didn't point it out," by definition it was omitted; if the scientific data is as shoddy as you imply, why would a pediatrics infectious disease specialist (himself a father of two, still suffering symptoms after he and his wife contracted the coronavirus in March) and the American Academy of Pediatrics he represents willfully omit such crucial information from their assessment of the available scientific data as to the risks to and from children? Why would the Dutch National Institute for Public Health and the Environment recklessly state "that children play a minor role in the spread of the novel coronavirus"? Why would William V. Raszka, Jr., M.D., a pediatric infectious disease specialist on the faculty of the University of Vermont, make this unambiguous statement?
MedicalXpress.com wrote:"The data are striking," said Dr. Raszka. "The key takeaway is that children are not driving the pandemic. After six months, we have a wealth of accumulating data showing that children are less likely to become infected and seem less infectious; it is congregating adults who aren't following safety protocols who are responsible for driving the upward curve."
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Are we really that far apart here? I mean, the article AB cites says:
A commentary published in the journal Pediatrics, the official peer-reviewed journal of the American Academy of Pediatrics, concludes that children infrequently transmit COVID-19 to each other or to adults and that many schools, provided they follow appropriate social distancing guidelines and take into account rates of transmission in their community, can and should reopen in the fall.
(Emphasis mine)

Those objecting most to having children in schools seem to be objecting because schools are saying they won't be following social distancing (or basically saying they are not making any changes to the standards) and/or they are in regions where rates of transmission are still high.

This is obviously a balancing act and there's no one-size-fits-all answer.
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Are we really that far apart here? I mean, the article AB cites says:
A commentary published in the journal Pediatrics, the official peer-reviewed journal of the American Academy of Pediatrics, concludes that children infrequently transmit COVID-19 to each other or to adults and that many schools, provided they follow appropriate social distancing guidelines and take into account rates of transmission in their community, can and should reopen in the fall.
(Emphasis mine)

Those objecting most to having children in schools seem to be objecting because schools are saying they won't be following social distancing (or basically saying they are not making any changes to the standards) and/or they are in regions where rates of transmission are still high.
Yes, and as Dr. Sean O’Leary went on to explain in his interview with the NYT
NYTimes.com wrote:The academy’s guidelines talk about balancing the need for physical distance with children’s educational and developmental needs, such as the need for hands-on play. They suggest that if older students are masked, three feet of distance between desks might be sufficient, compared to the six feet recommended by the C.D.C. Why is your advice different?

I don’t know that we’re different. The C.D.C. said six feet if “feasible.” The point we are trying to make is, that’s really not feasible. When you consider the overall health of children and really the community at large, adhering to a six-foot rule, which would mean having a lot of kids at home, may not be in the best interest of overall health. Something has to give.

From our perspective as pediatricians, the downsides of having kids at home versus in school are outweighed by the small incremental gain you would get from having kids six feet apart as opposed to five, four or three. When you add into that other mitigation measures like mask wearing, particularly for older kids, and frequent hand washing, you can bring the risk down.

I do think it’s a balance. I’m not going to come out here and say on June 30 that everything is going to be perfect in the coming school year. There will be cases of Covid-19 in schools even where they make their best efforts. But we have to balance that with the overall health of children.
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This is obviously a balancing act and there's no one-size-fits-all answer.
Absolutely.
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NC just released their guidance:

Schools will be on a rotating schedule. 1/3 of students in class, 2/3 remote. So essentially each kid goes to class every third week with 2 weeks of remote learning.

Schools will have the option to go 100% remote learning.

For those schools which do offer on-site learning:
- Face masks will be required for all students and teachers
- Schools will limit number of people in the building (at school's discretion)
- Symptom screenings for all students with isolation areas for students who may be get sick at school
- Extra cleaning of all classrooms, equipment, and buses
- No sharing resources between teachers

Needless to say this is going to be a bit of a nightmare to juggle with two kids going to two different schools on two different schedules, but frankly none of the options are good. My wife is really stressing because part of her job is assigning kids to classrooms and making sure everyone is where they need to be - this just made her job exponentially harder.

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Our school system sent out a questionnaire asking if we preferred a hybrid system or complete remote learning. Our daughter would like to do the hybrid option which we completely understand because she could see friends. On the other hand one of the questions asked if she thrived under the remote learning that was done in the last few months of the year and she said yes and she felt more relaxed as well. She wasn’t lacking for work and she did really well on her online assignments. She also said she understands if we prefer going online only and would be fine with it.

Our state (MA) has been fairly responsible during the pandemic (after some initial missteps) and I think our school system will think things through and is not on the De Vos “Learn and Die!” train. That said, the concerns we have are the compliance of other people and that this is going to be one large experiment since our school system like everyone else in the country hasn’t done this sort of thing before. Our daughter is also 13 so we wonder if she’s now at the age where she’s gone from resistant elementary school child to asymptomatic carrier that will kill us all. :lol:

Fuck this government for not putting all the resources at its disposal to think this through and help states along. My wife and I worked for the NIH and know are a lot of smart folks in government who can work the problem. But in the end, fuck all of you in power that needlessly screwed this country.
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Indiana congressmen are begging the Governor for a mask mandate. Our curve is curving back up, and cases are spiking. Our mortality rate is higher than most of the country.

And they responded by extending pool hours.

I want out.

I just need the assholes to hold off on killing themselves until afterwards.
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One vitally important thing that a lot of schools are ignoring that is that 'Under 18' doesn't mean that there is a spike at 19. People talk about susceptibility in a group that averages 16, 17, and 18 year olds with five year olds. That, I think, is a huge mistake. I wish we'd have under-20 divided into increments of five years, given how different physiology is as a child grows.
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Blackhawk wrote:
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Indiana congressmen are begging the Governor for a mask mandate. Our curve is curving back up, and cases are spiking. Our mortality rate is higher than most of the country.

And they responded by extending pool hours.

I want out.

I just need the assholes to hold off on killing themselves until afterwards.
just now i decided to check out the Indianapolis Star and not only do i see practically nothing Covid-19 related at all in the paper, i see this:

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...why is a Barnes & Noble open ?? in Seattle, any kind of specialty store (that's not groceries or hardware) accessible to the public is unthinkable.

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...why is a Barnes & Noble open ?? in Seattle, any kind of specialty store (that's not groceries or hardware) accessible to the public is unthinkable.
Everything is open.

Restaurants can provide indoor seating at 75% capacity.
Bars can provide seating at 50% capacity.
Cultural and entertainment venues remain open at 50% capacity.
Gyms and fitness centers remain open at full capacity.
Malls and retail stores remain open at full capacity.
Campgrounds and youth summer day camps may remain open.
Movie theaters, bowling alleys and other non-essential entertainment businesses remain at 50% capacity.
Personal services such as nail and hair salons may open without an appointment.
Religious services may increase from 75% capacity to 100%.
The Indianapolis Public Library may increase from 75% capacity to 100%.
Conventions and conferences may resume with proper CDC guidelines.
Sports venues and raceway events may open with 50% capacity.
Fairs and festivals may resume while following the state's health orders.

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Some cities in GA are passing mask required stuff but they cant enforce them because the Gov refuses to give them the ability to do it. At this point I feel he is simply killing people. Legal random murder.
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Indiana's orders from the Governor also prohibit counties (or any other subset of 'state') from creating rules more stringent than his.
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Blackhawk wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:31 pm
Indiana congressmen are begging the Governor for a mask mandate. Our curve is curving back up, and cases are spiking. Our mortality rate is higher than most of the country.

And they responded by extending pool hours.

I want out.

I just need the assholes to hold off on killing themselves until afterwards.
Take heart, you're not on the Chicago banned list yet. Indiana is right next to Illinois in the rankings so that could get interesting.
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Take heart, you're not on the Chicago banned list yet. Indiana is right next to Illinois in the rankings so that could get interesting.
If Mike Royko would have had his way, Indiana would have been banned way back when he was still alive (d.1997).

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On the other end of the education spectrum, the occupation government dropped its attempt to strongarm universities into opening by deporting foreign students who can't attend classes in person.

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hitbyambulance wrote:
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...why is a Barnes & Noble open ?? in Seattle, any kind of specialty store (that's not groceries or hardware) accessible to the public is unthinkable.
I'm pretty sure bookstores are permitted to be open here in Chicago. In theory, it shouldn't be much riskier than a grocery store provided that they limit the number of people, people are wearing masks, social distancing occurs, etc. It's a fairly big space and all the stuff I've seen about viral loads and all that seems to say it'd be OK. I wouldn't go personally (I recently bought a book from my local independent bookstore, but I ordered online and they're just doing curbside pickup at this point), but it doesn't seem outrageous right now depending on local circumstances (Miami-Dade county would be right out).
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In California Governor Newsom has always said that counties are able to enforce more strict requirements than the state's requirements. What bothers me is that he is either unwilling or unable to go after sheriffs who have taken the law into their own hands and refuse to enforce the law. I don't understand this. Orange County has decided that kids should go back to school without masks and without social distancing, because hey isn't that what Trump believes? That place is some f'd up, you couldn't pay me to into Orange county right now and it's not that far away.

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Well, there's this at least:


Quoth Walmart: To best serve our communities and protect the health and safety of our shoppers and associates, face coverings will be required in all stores beginning Monday, July 20. For more on our decision and policy, please see here: https://bit.ly/3h34FNK
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One fool down.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mi ... y-n1233810

Michigan man refused service for not wearing mask stabs customer, is fatally shot by deputy
A Michigan man refused service for not wearing a mask amid the coronavirus pandemic early Tuesday morning stabbed another customer before he was shot to death by a sheriff's deputy, police said.

Sean Ernest Ruis, 43, walked into Quality Dairy in Windsor Township — just outside Lansing and 100 miles west of Detroit — at about 6:45 a.m. without wearing a mask.
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Most of the cities around me have passed ordinances requiring masks. I'll wear one if I have to but I don't think they're doing much good.
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dbt1949 wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:24 pm
Most of the cities around me have passed ordinances requiring masks. I'll wear one if I have to but I don't think they're doing much good.
65% reduction of droplets entering your body and that's with cloth masks. The reduction of droplets entering your body is also associated with a less virulent response if you do get sick. Not to mention you not infecting other people.

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Most of the cities around me have passed ordinances requiring masks. I'll wear one if I have to but I don't think they're doing much good.
The only reason they may seem like they're not doing much good is because not everyone is wearing them. If we had 100% of the population wearing masks and socially distancing, I think we would have Covid numbers more in line with what's going on in the EU.

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Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:24 pm
Most of the cities around me have passed ordinances requiring masks. I'll wear one if I have to but I don't think they're doing much good.
The only reason they may seem like they're not doing much good is because not everyone is wearing them. If we had 100% of the population wearing masks and socially distancing, I think we would have Covid numbers more in line with what's going on in the EU.
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Daehawk wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:22 pm
One fool down.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mi ... y-n1233810

Michigan man refused service for not wearing mask stabs customer, is fatally shot by deputy
A Michigan man refused service for not wearing a mask amid the coronavirus pandemic early Tuesday morning stabbed another customer before he was shot to death by a sheriff's deputy, police said.

Sean Ernest Ruis, 43, walked into Quality Dairy in Windsor Township — just outside Lansing and 100 miles west of Detroit — at about 6:45 a.m. without wearing a mask.
Finally killed the moron but that gun didn't seem to do much to stop him for a bit.
Heard this on the radio this morning.
"The suspect immediately exits his vehicle and walks towards the deputy with a knife in hand to attack the deputy," according to a statement from state police. "The deputy attempted to increase distance by backing up and subsequently shot and injured the suspect. The suspect was transported to a local hospital and died during surgery."
What the fuck is wrong with us? This is not the first or second time mask wearing disputes end up in death being reported from my state.
dbt1949 wrote:
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Most of the cities around me have passed ordinances requiring masks. I'll wear one if I have to but I don't think they're doing much good.
Outcome base evidence in my area show easily that they reduce the rate of transmission and that this saved lives, the loss of which were spiraling out of control until the stay at home order had a chance to "flatten the curve". Indoor mask and social distance vs indoor caution to the wind with regard to disease spread is being shown time and time again by contact tracing.

Is it saving lives any more? I guess we'll be finding out in 14 days or less. I hazard to guess it is but we won't know until too late to choose to wear or not wear.

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Did Americans shoot and stab each other when seatbelts became mandatory? I’m sad to say I’m asking as a serious question.

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Did Americans shoot and stab each other when seatbelts became mandatory? I’m sad to say I’m asking as a serious question.
I dunno but people in state had violent hateful opinions about both seatbelts and helmets in Michigan. If you told a helmetless biker without a helmet to wear a helmet and weren't a cop, I can't imagine that confrontation went well most of the time.

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Did Americans shoot and stab each other when seatbelts became mandatory? I’m sad to say I’m asking as a serious question.
It's a good question. The issue here (I think) is the shame/rage interaction I've mentioned before that potentially takes place when someone experiences immediate consequences for their decisions (refused entry/refused service). It's also one of the reasons many of my public health peers have tried to take the lessons of HIV and pivot the mask issue away from shame as we know shaming doesn't help.
But, as years of research on HIV prevention have shown, shaming doesn’t eliminate risky behavior—it just drives it underground. Even today, many gay men hesitate to disclose their sexual history to health-care providers because of the stigma that they anticipate. Shaming people for their behavior can backfire.
What the upshot is for someone coming into a store and not wearing a mask (and how you deal with that), I have no idea. It could be why there's photos of Ted Cruz on a plane without a mask despite it being airplane policy. Fundamentally the mask mandate is potentially a paper tiger as at the core we're really relying on people to do the right thing. However, as previously mentioned sociopaths walk among us....so trouble.

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Finally killed the moron but that gun didn't seem to do much to stop him for a bit.
That's pretty typical of how shootings work in real life. Adrenaline hides the pain, and you have to wait until blood loss slows them down unless you get a hit in the central nervous system or heart. It's why guns are often bad defenses against knives, too. You can shoot a knife attacker at close range and they still have time to carve you up.
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It could be why there's photos of Ted Cruz on a plane without a mask despite it being airplane policy. Fundamentally the mask mandate is potentially a paper tiger as at the core we're really relying on people to do the right thing. However, as previously mentioned sociopaths walk among us....so trouble.
1) I'd be careful with the claim. The original link before converting to twitter stated the airline policy was to wear a mask unless you were eating or drinking. The photo clearly shows Cruz with a beverage in his hand. I find it easy to believe he didn't wear a mask on that flight but the photo does not support him breaking policy.

2)The paper tiger thing is a very real or has been very real here since enforcement is weirdly selective, and usually the mandates specifically say they won't be enforce (to keep them from being weirdly selective) and I think the root of this is likely that policing in some municipalities do not recognize these mandates anyway, while some establishments have dared authorities to enforce them. I actually feel bad for one downriver gym owner. People were illegally opening gyms all over the place and they were given token fines. So they started treating this a cost of doing business. Then this one particular owner got hit with the full blown health code violation, get a lawyer and go to court before you do anything or risk jail. I'm a rules follower and a proponent of mask wearing but that's kinda puppies. If you get tough, get tough. Don't make an a random example of one person while letting everyone slide. That's too gestapo for me.

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Finally killed the moron but that gun didn't seem to do much to stop him for a bit.
That's pretty typical of how shootings work in real life. Adrenaline hides the pain, and you have to wait until blood loss slows them down unless you get a hit in the central nervous system or heart. It's why guns are often bad defenses against knives, too. You can shoot a knife attacker at close range and they still have time to carve you up.
I guess due to movies I was expecting to see blood start pouring or him react in some way to the shots such as staggering. Nothing until he kinda slumps over and gets his weapon again.
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Daehawk wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:37 pm
Blackhawk wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:28 pm
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Finally killed the moron but that gun didn't seem to do much to stop him for a bit.
That's pretty typical of how shootings work in real life. Adrenaline hides the pain, and you have to wait until blood loss slows them down unless you get a hit in the central nervous system or heart. It's why guns are often bad defenses against knives, too. You can shoot a knife attacker at close range and they still have time to carve you up.
I guess due to movies I was expecting to see blood start pouring or him react in some way to the shots such as staggering. Nothing until he kinda slumps over and gets his weapon again.
The bleeding was likely mostly internal. Bullets don't generally stagger a person unless they hit a bone, and that usually just looks like it would if they got punched there really hard.
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Blackhawk wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:40 pm
Daehawk wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:37 pm
Blackhawk wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:28 pm
Daehawk wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:22 pm


Finally killed the moron but that gun didn't seem to do much to stop him for a bit.
That's pretty typical of how shootings work in real life. Adrenaline hides the pain, and you have to wait until blood loss slows them down unless you get a hit in the central nervous system or heart. It's why guns are often bad defenses against knives, too. You can shoot a knife attacker at close range and they still have time to carve you up.
I guess due to movies I was expecting to see blood start pouring or him react in some way to the shots such as staggering. Nothing until he kinda slumps over and gets his weapon again.
The bleeding was likely mostly internal. Bullets don't generally stagger a person unless they hit a bone, and that usually just looks like it would if they got punched there really hard.
This is why police and others are trained to shoot until the threat stops. You don't shoot to wound (or to kill), you shoot to stop. With the understanding that it will very likely result in death. If you happen to get a first shot on CNS or pelvis, you may notice notice by the time you're on your 3rd or 4th shot.




Think about it this way. If a shot had enough force to knock someone back 4 feet like on TV or movies, it would be imparting roughly that same force on the shooter who would be driven back a few feet. There is recoil, but not that much recoil. The key is all that force is in a very small bullet hitting a single point vs. spread across the grip and recoil mechanism of the shooter.
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Yep. The damage comes from the disruption the bullet does traveling through soft tissue. Imagine punching a six-inch-thick wall of Jell-O (which would weigh thousands of pounds.) Your fist goes right through, so it won't budge the ton-plus wall, but the gelatin it passed through has been shredded.
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Fellow employee just got turned away with 100.4 temp. That's a first for us. And naturally, he was here to work with me. I support the decision to tell him to stay away.

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Fellow employee just got turned away with 100.4 temp. That's a first for us. And naturally, he was here to work with me.
Hot to work with LM? This is not a surprise, tiger.






An aside, I've been temp checked every day I've come in since 3/19. Nearly every time I've been 96.something. I know it's not the thermometer because they read it aloud and people around me are 97s and 98s. More than one day has gone like., "96.2, hmmm, let's try again...*beep* 96.2...ooookkkk?". So when I clocked in at 97.5 the other day I got a bit concerned. Everyone assured me it was fine.
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Hot to at being forced to work with LM? This is not a surprise, tiger.
I am a pain to work with. I am rules follower and a detail explainer. Everyone hates both those qualities.

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I am a pain to work with. I am rules follower and a detail explainer. Everyone hates both those qualities.
Add a clip board and a few stem thermometers and I could probably use your help inspecting a retail kitchen. :D

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I am most definitely not a clean freak, not even in this environment. I hate hand sanitizers (they make me feel even more dirty) and wiping everything down, even if I'm all about not touching anything currently seem to wash my hands and use paper towel to open the door every time a bathroom (which is very new to me).

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