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Same old same old. Used to never hear about this stuff but now you get 3 a year or more. Used to be more inspectors.
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My niece is a nurse's aid at Mercy Hospital in Muskegon, MI. She's been pressed into service as an ICU nurse for the past several weeks. This morning, she posted this:
Zipped up my first body bag. Not my favorite day today. Five died. Im doing fine but geez it's hard. The worst part is gowning up one family member when we know they are going to die. I watch them shake as I know they are about to go say goodbye to their loved one. 🙁

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Anyone thats having a ruff enough time to die is on a vent. If your on a vent your heavily sedated and paralyzed and strapped to the bed. So they aren't suffering when they go.

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I had a lady screaming she didn't want to die because we were going to vent her. She just couldn't breath on her own anymore. It's like a death sentence being on a vent. SO hard to get off of one. Most of the nurses I work with are struggling because if feels like we're advanced hospice. Everyone just gets sicker untill they die.
It's going to keep getting worse for at least a few weeks.
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What has been causing this uptrend here the last couple of months? More and better testing or have people just said "screw it" I want to be with maskless people?
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People are way way tired of the virus and the restrictions. The sad part is if 95% of the people would follow the restrictions for a month, then most of the restrictions would be (would have been) gone. But the collective psyche of the US just can't get to this.
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To be fair, it isn't just the US that can't manage to collectively do the right thing.
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dbt1949 wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:45 am What has been causing this uptrend here the last couple of months? More and better testing or have people just said "screw it" I want to be with maskless people?
What's seen at the hospital level (beds, ICU beds, ventilator use, death) is irrespective of the testing. To a great extent, the hospital usage is our best vision of the reality of the virus. Testing tries to get at that one level removed (answering "who's got it", not "who's severely affected by it").

I'm sure some of it is a level of exasperation with being cooped up away from folks living in other homes. But my best guess is that as a respiratory illness, colder (dryer) weather is doing its part to bolster the virus's chances of moving from host to host.
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The Meal wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:42 pm I'm sure some of it is a level of exasperation with being cooped up away from folks living in other homes. But my best guess is that as a respiratory illness, colder (dryer) weather is doing its part to bolster the virus's chances of moving from host to host.
Which is driving more people indoors and sharing more indoor air in their exasperated state.

And then schools and bars.

That's my best guess anyway.

The first thing I could find that confirms my bias

https://www.mana.md/indoor-air-vs-outdoor-air/
According to the EPA, however, the levels of indoor air pollutants are often 2 to 5 times higher than outdoor levels, and in some cases these levels can exceed 100 times that of outdoor levels of the same pollutants.
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I wonder if you can get the flu and Covid at the same time?
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dbt1949 wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:17 pm I wonder if you can get the flu and Covid at the same time?
Yes you can. Some have.
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The Meal wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:42 pm
dbt1949 wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:45 am What has been causing this uptrend here the last couple of months? More and better testing or have people just said "screw it" I want to be with maskless people?
What's seen at the hospital level (beds, ICU beds, ventilator use, death) is irrespective of the testing. To a great extent, the hospital usage is our best vision of the reality of the virus. Testing tries to get at that one level removed (answering "who's got it", not "who's severely affected by it").

I'm sure some of it is a level of exasperation with being cooped up away from folks living in other homes. But my best guess is that as a respiratory illness, colder (dryer) weather is doing its part to bolster the virus's chances of moving from host to host.
A significant number of Americans still refuse to acknowledge that Covid is real, much less that they have any responsibility to help prevent it. They see the simplest measures -- wear a mask, keep your distance, don't gather indoors -- as intolerable. Which would be OK, I guess, if the virus cooperated by afflicting only those people.

But that's not new behavior, so why now? Well, the virus has become endemic. That is to say, it's so widespread that contact tracing and quarantines are losing effectiveness. We aren't containing point sources anymore. Used to be that we could avoid it by avoiding particular locations, people, and behaviors. That's no longer enough when it's basically everywhere. This is what's meant by "community transmission," and it's what's driving this spike.

Someone said "viruses don't move; people do." If we could all lock down for a few weeks, we would break this surge. Good luck with that.
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Kraken wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:30 pm If we could all lock down for a few weeks, we would break this surge. Good luck with that.
You'd have to put a substantial portion of the population into straight jackets to get them to comply. I still see people protesting mask mandates and the people who put them in place when I drive by the state capital. I'm not sure what kind of looney tunes notions they have, but I'm certain the politicians aren't killing people by asking them to wear masks.

Thankfully, though, in my local area the grocery stores are getting really good compliance - maybe over 95%. It's become quite rare to see someone there without a mask. Gas station convenience/liquor stores, though, it's more like 10% compliance. Don't go into a convenience store if you can help it.
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dbt1949 wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:45 am What has been causing this uptrend here the last couple of months? More and better testing or have people just said "screw it" I want to be with maskless people?
It's how exponential growth works. As more people get it, the faster it spreads and more people get it. As more people get it, the faster it spreads and more people get it.

The efforts of some helped limit the spread for a time but eventually the lack of efforts from others overcame this. And so now we're looking at big numbers.
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dbt1949 wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:45 am What has been causing this uptrend here the last couple of months? More and better testing or have people just said "screw it" I want to be with maskless people?
In addition to what others have said, it's the colder weather. Some people are going to socialize regardless. Throughout the spring and summer they did it with barbecues, beach parties, picnics. Now that it's cold, they're doing indoors in enclosed spaces.
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dbt1949 wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:45 am What has been causing this uptrend here the last couple of months? More and better testing or have people just said "screw it" I want to be with maskless people?
Increased testing's obviously part of it. But realistically, SARS-CoV-2 is a fairly infectious virus that spreads most easily indoors within enclosed areas. So it's only logical to assume the spread will worsen as more people spend more time together indoors throughout the winter season. Especially if/when people socialise or get together for holiday season celebrations. After all, the common cold is quite literally a less 'novel' form of coronavirus, and that's at least partly why we routinely have a cold (and flu) season each and every year.

Here's an article from the LA Times that goes into more detail:

Coronavirus infections are higher than ever, but COVID-19 deaths are not. Why?
LATimes.com wrote:For months, epidemiologists have predicted a spike in COVID-19 cases as winter approaches. Now it appears those dark forecasts were all too accurate.

Coronavirus infections are rising across much of the United States, with the number of new daily cases nearing 200,000 for the past several days. That’s about five times the number of new daily cases the U.S. was reporting as recently as September, according to the World Health Organization.

In California, the average number of new coronavirus cases has tripled in the last month alone. The virus is now infecting more Californians every day than at any previous point in the COVID-19 pandemic, according to a Times analysis.

While the federal government continues to take a relatively hands-off approach, state and local governments have become more aggressive in hopes of bending the curve on new cases.

In response to growing case numbers, California imposed a statewide 10 p.m. curfew to keep people from gathering and drinking together late at night. New York City closed its public schools for in-person learning less than two months after they reopened. Even Iowa Gov. Kim Reynolds, a longtime opponent of mask mandates, imposed one last week after 50% of Iowans who were tested for the virus got a positive result.

But as infections spiraled to never-before-seen heights, the number of COVID-19 deaths per day has not followed suit.

In early April, the U.S. reported about 30,000 new infections and about 2,000 deaths per day, according to the WHO. That’s about the same number of deaths that are being reported now — though daily new cases are more than six times higher.

What exactly is going on? The more coronavirus cases that are reported, the more COVID-19 deaths we’d expect to see, right?

The answer is both yes and no, experts said.

The general consensus is that the number of deaths will eventually follow infections in their upward trajectory, but the ratio of deaths per infection will remain significantly lower than it was in the spring.

There are multiple reasons for this. Some may seem obvious; others, more surprising.

But before we go through them, just remember that if you were hoping that the virus was losing its bite, or that the drop in death rate is a reason to ignore safety protocols, experts say that is not the case.

“There is no evidence that this virus is becoming less lethal,” said Jennifer Nuzzo, an epidemiologist at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.

Reason 1: Increased testing
In the early days of the pandemic, coronavirus testing was available only to people who either had a known exposure to the virus or had symptoms of COVID-19. (Although even when those two criteria were met, it could be difficult to get a test.) That means a large percentage of people who were infected were not being counted, especially the “silent spreaders” who were asymptomatic and those who had only mild symptoms, Nuzzo said.

As testing has ramped up across the country, and the bar for getting checked has come way down, more infections are being identified. However, since the sickest COVID-19 patients were generally able to get tested all along, improved testing capacity has not made nearly as much difference in counting the number of people who die of the disease.

That dichotomy explains why the percentage of coronavirus cases serious enough to result in death has gone down.

Reason 2: Better treatments
Over the past several months, what began as a scattershot, try-anything approach for treating people with severe cases of COVID-19 has evolved into a set of best practices that have allowed more of the sickest patients to survive, said Dr. Robert J. Kim-Farley, a medical epidemiologist at the UCLA Fielding School of Public Health.

These improved treatment protocols include:

• Positioning patients on their stomachs rather than their backs when they are having trouble breathing.

• Being more judicious about putting patients on mechanical ventilators and waiting longer to do so.

• Administering dexamethasone or other steroids to help suppress the overactive inflammatory response in severely ill patients.

• Using the antiviral drug remdesivir, which was originally developed to fight hepatitis C and respiratory syncytial virus but failed to work against either.

• In some cases, giving patients virus-fighting antibodies from people who have recovered from COVID-19 (convalescent plasma) or synthetic antibodies designed to attack the coronavirus that causes the disease (monoclonal antibodies). Both are thought to help the immune system recognize and battle the virus more effectively.

“There’s still no silver bullet, but all these little incremental things are making a measurable impact on our ability to keep people from dying or having severe disease,” Kim-Farley said.

Reason 3: More young people getting infected
“The biggest thing that has shifted since the spring is the age of the people getting infected,” Nuzzo said.

That makes a difference, because the older the COVID-19 patient, the greater the risk the disease will be fatal.

Early in the pandemic, older people made up a larger share of reported daily new cases. In May, for instance, more than 27% of known infections were in people 60 and older; by August, that figure had dropped to 18%, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Meanwhile, the proportion of cases among people in their 20s and 30s rose from 32% to 38%.

This shift in age distribution of those infected with the coronavirus has reduced the overall COVID-19 fatality rate. Over the course of the pandemic, people between the ages of 18 and 39 accounted for just 1.8% of the deaths in the U.S., while people 65 and older made up 80%, according to the CDC.

Dr. Mark Dworkin, an infectious disease specialist at the University of Illinois, Chicago, said it’s not surprising that infections have exploded among young adults, because as a general rule, they tend to be less strict about public health measures. Epidemiologists have noted similar trends with HIV, he said: Young people who are infected are more likely to disregard the medication protocols that are important for controlling that virus.

“You can certainly find plenty of young people who are doing what they need to do, but if you go to a bar, it’s usually not filled with old people,” Dworkin said. “It’s that invincibility of youth. They process risk differently.”

However, as cases climb among younger adults, there will be ripple effects for their elders, Nuzzo added.

“We have fairly good data that young people don’t live in a bubble,” she said. “In the coming weeks, we should expect to see the virus spread to older populations as well.”

Reason 4: Better-prepared nursing homes
In the spring, nearly half of recorded COVID-19 deaths occurred in nursing homes, Nuzzo said.

Today, most long-term care facilities are far better prepared to fight and contain the virus if it comes through their doors.

“Lots of nursing homes have caught up with improving testing, [personal protection equipment] and other infection-prevention measures,” Dworkin said. “As a result, we are not hearing about as many nursing-home outbreaks as before.”

But as Nuzzo points out, those measures require resources and are not foolproof.

“As the prevalence of the infection grows, it gets harder and harder to keep the virus out of nursing homes,” she said. “So we could again see explosive outbreaks there.”

Reason number 5: The lag
Most of us by now know the trajectory of an outbreak. First, infections rise. Several days later, there’s an increase in hospitalizations, after the virus has had time to incubate and cause severe disease in its unluckiest victims. The rise in hospitalizations is in turn followed a few weeks later by a rise in deaths from those who don’t survive their hospital stay.

New coronavirus infections started seriously spiking in the United States in mid-October, so epidemiologists say we are just getting to the point where they would expect to see deaths begin to climb. And indeed, that’s exactly what the data show.

“When I look at the mid- to late-November data, I do see the beginning of an uptick,” Dworkin said. “I believe we will see the deaths increase. It won’t just be a flat line while cases keep rising.”

In other words: If you were hoping for a reason why more infections won’t necessarily mean more deaths, the science just isn’t on your side. And even if deaths don’t rise over the next couple of months, we’re still looking at 2,000 Americans dying of COVID-19 every day.

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dbt1949 wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:45 am What has been causing this uptrend here the last couple of months? More and better testing or have people just said "screw it" I want to be with maskless people?
I think as we got closer to the holidays people in general started loosening up on the precautions. Who knows, it might even be a subconscious thing. As we got closer to winter and cold and flu season, it would seem to be a no brainer that we all stay home as much as possible and otherwise observe stringent precautions. But we all had in our minds the knowledge that Halloween through New Year's holidays were coming up. I think a lot of people just couldn't accept a total loss of the holidays this year and so they started acting more and more like things were going back to normal. That's why this country saw all that travel for Thanksgiving. I'm sure many of those people were deliberately being defiant, but I don't think all of them were. I think a lot of people are just in denial. I'm expecting it to get worse with each holiday until we reach January and the big holidays are behind us. At that point I think people will be more compliant. Unfortunately by that time the damage will have been done and I expect late January through February to be really bad.
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To trigger new restrictions, COVID-19 hospitalizations in the North Texas region must exceed 15% for seven days in a row.

Denton County has been above the 15% threshold since Nov. 21. On Tuesday, the seven-day average was 17.4%, Richardson said.

Out of 76 adult ICU beds in the county, just 14 remained available Tuesday. Richardson said well over half of the 62 others are occupied by COVID-19 patients.
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Was looking at a local updated COVID numbers site and the counties around here seem to be running at 1200 per 100,000.
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And in other news...............stupid Arkansans are getting sick in record numbers and dropping like flies.
Of course they're mostly Trump supporters so no big deal.
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Daehawk wrote: Thu Dec 10, 2020 12:28 am Was looking at a local updated COVID numbers site and the counties around here seem to be running at 1200 per 100,000.
I'm in lockdown and our local numbers are half of that.
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The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) on Wednesday predicted that the number of newly reported coronavirus-related deaths will likely increase over the next month, with the potential for a total death count of up to 362,000 by Jan. 2.

The CDC made the prediction in its weekly “ensemble forecast,” which combines national and stave-level forecasts into an aggregate prediction on the state of COVID-19 over the next four weeks.

In this week’s forecast, the CDC predicted that in the week ending Jan. 2, the U.S. could see anywhere from 12,600 to 23,400 new deaths due to the virus.

This means that by this date, the country could reach a total of anywhere from 332,000 to 362,000 COVID-19 deaths.
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Daehawk wrote: Thu Dec 10, 2020 12:28 am Was looking at a local updated COVID numbers site and the counties around here seem to be running at 1200 per 100,000.
My county is at 36.68 positives per 1,000. That would be 3,668 per 100,000 if I can do math.
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stessier wrote: Thu Dec 10, 2020 5:18 pm
Daehawk wrote: Thu Dec 10, 2020 12:28 am Was looking at a local updated COVID numbers site and the counties around here seem to be running at 1200 per 100,000.
My county is at 36.68 positives per 1,000. That would be 3,668 per 100,000 if I can do math.
It's 5,162 per 100K in Charleston County. :horse:
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Ralph-Wiggum wrote: Thu Dec 10, 2020 5:39 pm
stessier wrote: Thu Dec 10, 2020 5:18 pm
Daehawk wrote: Thu Dec 10, 2020 12:28 am Was looking at a local updated COVID numbers site and the counties around here seem to be running at 1200 per 100,000.
My county is at 36.68 positives per 1,000. That would be 3,668 per 100,000 if I can do math.
It's 5,162 per 100K in Charleston County. :horse:
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Ralph-Wiggum wrote: Thu Dec 10, 2020 5:39 pm
stessier wrote: Thu Dec 10, 2020 5:18 pm
Daehawk wrote: Thu Dec 10, 2020 12:28 am Was looking at a local updated COVID numbers site and the counties around here seem to be running at 1200 per 100,000.
My county is at 36.68 positives per 1,000. That would be 3,668 per 100,000 if I can do math.
It's 5,162 per 100K in Charleston County. :horse:
That's almost exactly our number (5109 per 100k):
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I just looked up or county and it's like this for the lat week. (81.5 for every 100,000 residents)
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stessier wrote: My county is at 36.68 positives per 1,000. That would be 3,668 per 100,000 if I can do math.
I'm sorry, I misread the data. The above is our testing rate. Our positive rate is 821 per 100k for the last two weeks.

If we look at the rate based on the cumulative numbers, we have 27,396 positives against a population of 523k for a rate of 5,233 per 100k since February.
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Went to the grocery this morning. Had plenty of just about everything.
One woman wasn't wearing a mask tho.
Grocery store must have been out of them.
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My municipality's going back into lockdown on Monday. Seems like it should have been there a while ago. Neighbouring Toronto did so a couple weeks ago. It seemed like officials were lobbying the provincial government to stay out of lockdown since our cases were fewer, but did they really thing numbers were going to magically decrease on their own? Meanwhile, the first doses of vaccine in Canada are being administered on Tuesday.

It's getting to be the ugly, dark time of year when I don't want to leave the apartment anyway. I wouldn't say my depression is much worse than usual, so far. I'm going to be crushed if I can't see my immediate family a couple weeks after Christmas like we're planning, but we'll do whatever's best for them. I'm still not especially concerned as I'm still working from home and only leave the house once or twice a week for supplies, if that... everything else gets delivered.

I'm more concerned about the homecare workers that come in to assist my grandmother each day (she lives with my folks). Most of them seem to be conscientious (though I'm not sure that's enough), but one of them showed up without a mask several weeks ago. I told them to report her, but they don't want to stir the pot as they're already having trouble getting someone to come in consistently. Sounds like that particular person hasn't been back, thankfully.

The office, which I only watch through security cameras, continues not to enforce masks somehow. Staff have been promised more people will be allowed to transition to working from home in the coming weeks, but they also promised 95% would be able to do so back in March, and only about 20% were. I'm so scared of what will happen if and when we get an infected staff member. We're a 24-hour security monitoring call center. There's no real contingency plan if an entire shift doesn't show up. And that could very well happen if people fear infection. We had a mini-walkout of supervisory staff back in March. They did reintroduce a $2 wage premium for hourly staff to coincide with the Toronto lockdown which should help with morale, but nothing's going to keep people showing up if someone tests positive. We regularly have a couple of staff members off for two weeks who came in contact with someone who tested positive, or who claim they had to pick up their cat's dentist from the airport who had eaten some pastrami that may have been imported from a Covid hotspot.
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V-Day is Tuesday, 15 Dec 2020.

'V-Day' is Tuesday: What we know about the COVID-19 vaccine in Ottawa
When this week began, we weren't sure when Canada would approve a vaccine for COVID-19, let alone when it might be injected into the arms of Ottawans. A few days later, we had the answer: Tuesday is what public health officials have dubbed "V-Day" in the nation's capital.

It's welcome, if rapidly changing news. And there's still a lot we don't know.

But every day we learn more details.

We now know that 3,000 doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech's COVID-19 vaccine are expected to arrive in Ottawa by Monday, from the manufacturing plant in Belgium.

On Friday, we heard that the logisticians have already figured out which gate the plane carrying the precious cargo will use when it lands in Ottawa from Toronto Pearson International Airport.

The route from the Ottawa International Airport to The Ottawa Hospital has already been worked out. The health-care workers who are to be vaccinated will be contacted over the weekend, while the vaccination site is being set up.

And on Tuesday, 1,500 people in this city will be among the first people in North America to be vaccinated against COVID-19.

They will to go to the hospital's Civic campus where — according to Ottawa Mayor Jim Watson — the super-cold freezers are located that can store the Pfizer vaccine at the required temperature range of –80 C and –60 C.
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That's a lot of knowledge. I hope there aren't people in the way to stop the shipment, people are nuts these days.
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I don't think the Canadian anti-vax contingent is that hardcore. (Not in Ottawa, anyway.) Mostly, they just gripe on Facebook about proof-of-inoculation potentially being required in the future for activities no one is allowed to do right now being against their imagined constitutional rights.

Though I guess that's only one side of the coin... the other is the public who think they're entitled to get the vaccine now, ahead of healthcare workers and officials. I'm sure there will be extra security on hand.
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I've been seriously thinking about how proving you have the vaccine or not will work out. Will the US courts allow private enterprises such as Disneyland as an example to require proof of vaccination?? Gonna be very very interesting to see how this plays out.
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Disneyland will probably get by with it. Public accommodations such as restaurants, lodging, etc., probably not.
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There were restaurants requiring testing.

One example:
NEW YORK — A New York City restaurant is making patrons who want to dine inside to take a COVID-19 test provided by the business.

But there’s a catch — each test comes with a $50 price tag that customers have to pay, WNBC reported.


Can't imagine proof of vaccination is out of play.
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Lorini wrote: Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:52 pm I've been seriously thinking about how proving you have the vaccine or not will work out. Will the US courts allow private enterprises such as Disneyland as an example to require proof of vaccination?? Gonna be very very interesting to see how this plays out.
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Immunity passports have been compared to international certificates of vaccination, such as the “Carte Jaune” for yellow fever. However, there are significant differences between the two types of documents, occasioning fundamentally different burdens on individuals' health risk and bodily integrity, the public health risk, and an individual's capacity to consent and control. The main distinction between the two is the nature of the incentive. Vaccination certificates incentivise individuals to obtain vaccination against the virus, which is a social good. By contrast, immunity passports incentivise infection.
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Yes grocery stores here already require a mask, what's the difference really? While normally a vaccine might be cause for medical privacy I suspect the pandemic raging will put public safety in front of medical privacy. But we'll have to see. And I would expect things to be different depending on the state.
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Smoove_B wrote: Sat Dec 12, 2020 3:24 pm
Lorini wrote: Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:52 pm I've been seriously thinking about how proving you have the vaccine or not will work out. Will the US courts allow private enterprises such as Disneyland as an example to require proof of vaccination?? Gonna be very very interesting to see how this plays out.
It's...complicated
Immunity passports have been compared to international certificates of vaccination, such as the “Carte Jaune” for yellow fever. However, there are significant differences between the two types of documents, occasioning fundamentally different burdens on individuals' health risk and bodily integrity, the public health risk, and an individual's capacity to consent and control. The main distinction between the two is the nature of the incentive. Vaccination certificates incentivise individuals to obtain vaccination against the virus, which is a social good. By contrast, immunity passports incentivise infection.
The vaccine doesn't give full immunity right? It's 95-96% which is not truly immunity yes?
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