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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe: Phase Three (and Ant-Man)

Post by msteelers » Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:48 am

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If the deal includes the FF, that's the one that I would love to see get a good treatment. And if I had my way, it would be set in the late 60's/early 70's.
I heard this story idea elsewhere, but I liked it. The idea was that since the FF are known for exploring multiple universes in the comics, what if they come from a world where they are the only known superheroes. They go looking through the multiverse, and get stuck in the MCU with all of the other heroes.

FWIW, it looks like Ant-Man and The Wasp will focus on them exploring the Quantum Realm, and possibly opening up a "new multiverse".

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If the deal includes the FF, that's the one that I would love to see get a good treatment. And if I had my way, it would be set in the late 60's/early 70's.
I heard this story idea elsewhere, but I liked it. The idea was that since the FF are known for exploring multiple universes in the comics, what if they come from a world where they are the only known superheroes. They go looking through the multiverse, and get stuck in the MCU with all of the other heroes.

FWIW, it looks like Ant-Man and The Wasp will focus on them exploring the Quantum Realm, and possibly opening up a "new multiverse".
It would be pretty cool if they just suddenly showed up during the second Infinity War movie (whatever that is called.) Hell, with the Space Stone people could be popping in all over the place.
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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe: Phase Three (and Ant-Man)

Post by $iljanus » Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:23 pm

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Disney bought 21st Century Fox for $50 billion.

That means that characters like The Fantastic Four and the X-Men are now available for the MCU.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out. The X-Men franchise is ready for a reboot. Logan was a great way to end those movies. But Deadpool is just getting started. Luckily, Deadpool is the type of character where they can bring him into the MCU and he can make the 4th wall breaking jokes needed to make it work.
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Post by El Guapo » Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:45 pm

Does this mean that Disney now owns the rights to Paste Pot Pete?

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Post by Malificent » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:14 pm

My only worry is that Disney/Marvel might not be willing to stretch to create films like Logan or Deadpool.

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Post by msteelers » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:24 pm

Malificent wrote:My only worry is that Disney/Marvel might not be willing to stretch to create films like Logan or Deadpool.
That’s a good point, but looks like there is precedent.
While it’s true that Disney itself doesn’t make R-rated movies, it does have a history of allowing companies it owns to do so, like Miramax. If 20th Century Fox is set up as its own arm, like Marvel Studios or Pixar, it’s possible Disney allows them to forge ahead as-planned with more R-rated superhero movies.
The links also includes a quote from Bob Iger implying Deadpool movies would continue to be made.

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Post by DD* » Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:26 pm

Deadpool made megabucks. I am sure that pleases the mouse.

I'm just hoping that maybe we'll finally get a good FF movie... please??
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Does this mean that Disney now owns the rights to Paste Pot Pete?
Oh hell’s yeah! Hopefully the beret wearing version!

He’s a villain...who glues things together. How can that not be a damn hit!? One minute you have two separate items, then suddenly...BAM...they’re stuck together! I mean, come on!
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Post by Kasey Chang » Fri Jul 06, 2018 7:38 pm

Where's the Antman and the Wasp topic?

Just saw this. It was some of the most ridiculously good fights in Marvel.
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Post by hepcat » Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:35 pm

I’ve got friends in town until the Monday after next, and the wife of my friend would rather have her teeth pulled than step into a movie theater for some reason. :(
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Post by hentzau » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:08 pm

It was fun. Caught an early matinee with my kids. A light palate cleanser after Infinity War.
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Post by Kasey Chang » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:00 pm

hentzau wrote:
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It was fun. Caught an early matinee with my kids. A light palate cleanser after Infinity War.
Until the afterscene. And then you go...
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Post by Isgrimnur » Sat Jul 07, 2018 2:12 am

Kasey Chang wrote:Where's the Antman and the Wasp topic?

Just saw this. It was some of the most ridiculously good fights in Marvel.
Check the OP for links.
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Post by pr0ner » Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:59 pm

James Gunn FIRED from Guardians of the Galaxy 3 due to The Daily Caller and conservative personalities such as Jack Posobiec digging up some 9-10 year old tweets of Gunn's during SDCC.
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Post by Isgrimnur » Fri Jul 20, 2018 4:06 pm

It's become a thing for some people to only leave social media posts up for a short period of time for exactly these reasons.
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Post by Blackhawk » Fri Jul 20, 2018 5:02 pm

But wow, some of those tweets.

And the links to child porn videos.
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Post by Hamlet3145 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:20 pm

I am beyond flummoxed how someone who otherwise seemed quite intelligent could have A: made those tweets or B: not nuked his Twitter and started over at the first inkling of larger fame. That was a massive ticking time bomb of self sabotage. Like, truly clinically pathalogical self sabotage.

Disney (Disney!) probably only needed a five minute conference call to decide to can him.

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Here are some of the tweets. NSFWHH (Not Safe for Work, Home, or Humans.)
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Post by hepcat » Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:08 pm

I forgot that Gunn got his start with Troma. That explains a lot.
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Here are some of the tweets. NSFWHH (Not Safe for Work, Home, or Humans.)
I read this, his firing, and thought it had to be a joke or prank. Then I read those tweets. Damn, that dude has serious problems. How did he get that job in the first place? Someone high up must have vouched for him. I figure Disney would have known all of this before they brought him in.

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Post by pr0ner » Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:52 am

I get that Gunn's tweets are horrible, but by firing Gunn, they let the alt-right, who dug up those tweets, win.

MLB is handling a similar situation with Josh Hader much better than The Mouse is this week.
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Post by stessier » Sat Jul 21, 2018 7:25 am

I'm on my phone so posting links is too challenging for me, but Ars Technica has a post that gives the tweets some context. I haven't read them, but the post indicates many are from before Twitter indicated quotes or had threading so it looks like Gunn is saying things when he is quoting.
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Post by gameoverman » Sat Jul 21, 2018 2:47 pm

I took a quick look at that site. The article on the front page about this mentions the lack of threading but doesn't show how that would make a difference.

As far as letting the alt right 'win', that's irrelevant to me. That sounds suspiciously like someone saying you have to support 'our' side no matter what. Sorry but I'm completely against that. That's one of the attitudes the alt right has that I find most repellent. Where the information comes from doesn't matter, whether it's true or not is what matters.

You can't bring shame on the Mouse. Gunn's movies might make a ton of money but Disney is not short of money. Harlan Ellison, who supposedly also got fired by Disney, once wrote of it "Don't fuck with the mouse".

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Post by Blackhawk » Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:03 pm

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As far as letting the alt right 'win', that's irrelevant to me. That sounds suspiciously like someone saying you have to support 'our' side no matter what.
+1. If the 'other guys' point out something wrong, you fix it, regardless.

The only place I really fault Disney is that they didn't do this due to Gunn's tweets. They knew about those. They did this because Gunn's tweets suddenly affected their reputation.
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Post by Rhad » Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:10 pm

I think disney should not have fired him. Not a single thing has changed about who Gunn is, all of these things have been public for almost a decade. People change and learn from things they have done in the past. If this had just happened in the past few weeks or even months, sure, but 10 years ago? If you never allow people to learn or change and punish them for things said so long ago where is the incentive to ever change?

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Post by pr0ner » Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:20 pm

Blackhawk wrote:
Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:03 pm
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Sat Jul 21, 2018 2:47 pm

As far as letting the alt right 'win', that's irrelevant to me. That sounds suspiciously like someone saying you have to support 'our' side no matter what.
+1. If the 'other guys' point out something wrong, you fix it, regardless.

The only place I really fault Disney is that they didn't do this due to Gunn's tweets. They knew about those. They did this because Gunn's tweets suddenly affected their reputation.
The guys who worked to get Gunn fired are *worse* people than Gunn is. Demonstrably so.
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Post by Blackhawk » Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:44 pm

pr0ner wrote:
Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:20 pm
Blackhawk wrote:
Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:03 pm
gameoverman wrote:
Sat Jul 21, 2018 2:47 pm

As far as letting the alt right 'win', that's irrelevant to me. That sounds suspiciously like someone saying you have to support 'our' side no matter what.
+1. If the 'other guys' point out something wrong, you fix it, regardless.

The only place I really fault Disney is that they didn't do this due to Gunn's tweets. They knew about those. They did this because Gunn's tweets suddenly affected their reputation.
The guys who worked to get Gunn fired are *worse* people than Gunn is. Demonstrably so.
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Post by pr0ner » Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:59 pm

Yes but this will only serve to embolden Cernovich as he won't face consequences for his actions while Gunn is.
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Sure, but that still doesn't mean that Gunn should be ignored.
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Post by pr0ner » Sat Jul 21, 2018 7:36 pm

Shouldn't be ignored, I agree. Shouldn't be fired either.
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Post by DD* » Sat Jul 21, 2018 9:29 pm

Rhad wrote:
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I think disney should not have fired him. Not a single thing has changed about who Gunn is, all of these things have been public for almost a decade. People change and learn from things they have done in the past. If this had just happened in the past few weeks or even months, sure, but 10 years ago? If you never allow people to learn or change and punish them for things said so long ago where is the incentive to ever change?
That's kind of where I fall on this as well. I read Gunn's apology and unlike 99% of these politician/celebrity "I'm sorry" missives, he seems to actually acknowledge that he did some stupid shit, it was unacceptable, and he has genuine remorse about it. Hard to ruin someone's career for stuff that happened 10 years ago and that he appears genuinely sorry for (not the usual "sorry you were offended" where the person tries to shift the blame to the audience).
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Post by Rhad » Sun Jul 22, 2018 3:33 am

As they haven't started even filming the 3rd GotG yet I wonder what would happen if the stars of the movie, or even just one or two of them took a stand and said either hire him back or we drop out of the movie? I know at least one of the actors seems to be quite upset over it, at least by things he has tweeted. I don't know if any of them would be willing to make such a stand, but it would put Disney in an impossible position.

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Post by msteelers » Sun Jul 22, 2018 9:52 am

Rhad wrote:
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As they haven't started even filming the 3rd GotG yet I wonder what would happen if the stars of the movie, or even just one or two of them took a stand and said either hire him back or we drop out of the movie? I know at least one of the actors seems to be quite upset over it, at least by things he has tweeted. I don't know if any of them would be willing to make such a stand, but it would put Disney in an impossible position.
The actors are all contractually obligated, and I have to imagine that getting out of those contracts would be extremely difficult.

I love what Gunn did with the Guardians and for the MCU as a whole, but I don't have a problem with Disney going in a different direction. The Guardians parts of Infinity War were fantastic, and I believe that a new director and creative force can have a lot of success with the movies moving forward.

And I thought Sean Gunn's posts on Twitter were excellent.
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I saw firsthand as he went from worrying about "softening his edge" for a larger audience to realizing that his "edge" wasn't as useful of a tool as he thought it was. That his gift for storytelling was something better. I saw that he was more open-hearted than the guy who needed to get a rise out of people by making nasty or offensive jokes (or whatever you choose to call them--I don't think his bluer material was ever his funniest and neither does Mom). In many respects this change in my brother was reflected in the change that the Guardians go through. I've heard my brother say many times that when Quill rallies the team with "this is our chance to give a shit"--to care--that it's the pep talk he himself needed to hear.

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Post by msteelers » Sun Jul 22, 2018 9:56 am

And the third Guardians movie was believed to have been scheduled for 2020, as it was going to be one of the early Phase 4 films. And filming was going to begin in early 2019. I have to imagine that will get pushed back.

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Shouldn't be ignored, I agree. Shouldn't be fired either.
I’ve come to agree with this. Gunn was clearly remorseful for his words before this was brought up by an alt right group. There are interviews in which he takes ownership of his past words and apologizes for them published years before.

As a society, we need to differentiate between those who change for the better, and those who refuse to/only do so under duress.
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Post by gameoverman » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:48 pm

I think it depends on your point of view. Me, as a person and filmgoer, I might shrug and say his apology is enough and he's changed his ways. That's fine.

But if I'm his employer? That's a completely different thing. If I'm his employer then my personal feelings really don't matter, money is what matters. If I have a brand and image to defend then any employee who tarnishes it is getting canned. If I can't trot my director out to public events because there won't be anything but questions about his rape and pedo jokes what good is he to me?

As to why they hired him in the first place the two reasons I can see are: One, he has friends in high places there. High enough to smooth out the obstacles, which is possible. He DID make them money, so it's not unreasonable to think someone saw enough dollar signs in working with him that it justified stepping in on his behalf. OR maybe Disney's people just put some kind of termination clause in his contract. "Yes we're aware of your statements but as along as there is no public outcry..." then once there was a public outcry they activate it.

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Post by hepcat » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:55 pm

The morality clause is a cliche in every movie ever made for a reason, I guess. Still, I think Disney needs to take a stand and say "enough is enough". Having your entire career demolished for being publicly stupid BUT apologizing for it and stressing how wrong you were is going too far in my opinion. They're one of the few businesses big enough to do so. Plus, I have a feeling that the only people really concerned over this are located in the offices of the Daily Caller. I would even go so far as to say Gunn's role in all this wouldn't result in one lost dollar for Disney were they to just let it go.

I've said it before, but social media is the worst invention mankind has ever been foolish enough to create. Cat videos and ostracization, that's all it's used for.

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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe: Phase Three (and Ant-Man)

Post by Blackhawk » Mon Jul 23, 2018 5:07 pm

I don't know if firing was appropriate. I do feel that a response was warranted, and, from a business perspective, it was probably required. Firing for old tweets does seem a little extreme, though.
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