Stephen King's It [remake]

[Smoove_B]

I don't see what the problem is here. It's not like the movie has the teen gang-bang from the novel in it.

[em2nought]

I don't see what the problem is here. It's not like the movie has the teen gang-bang from the novel in it.

More's the pity.

[ImLawBoy]

I don't see what the problem is here. It's not like the movie has the teen gang-bang from the novel in it.

More's the pity.

So you get off to teen gang bangs? Keep in mind, they're all well under 18.

[GreenGoo]

Wait, so everyone who read It was horrified by the teenage sex scene? I read it when I was 18, and I can't even remember it.

But is the point that it becomes sexy when everyone involved is 18 (19?) and horrific when they are 17 or below, or...how does that work, anyway?

[Smoove_B]

From the man himself:

I wasn’t really thinking of the sexual aspect of it. The book dealt with childhood and adulthood –1958 and Grown Ups. The grown ups don’t remember their childhood. None of us remember what we did as children–we think we do, but we don’t remember it as it really happened. Intuitively, the Losers knew they had to be together again. The sexual act connected childhood and adulthood. It’s another version of the glass tunnel that connects the children’s library and the adult library. Times have changed since I wrote that scene and there is now more sensitivity to those issues.

And then:

I’d just add that it’s fascinating to me that there has been so much comment about that single sex scene and so little about the multiple child murders. That must mean something, but I’m not sure what.”

Amazingly the movie scene worked without it.

[hepcat]

None of us remember what we did as children

I think I would probably remember being involved in a teen gangbang before the name of my 6th grade homeroom teach.

...Mrs. Steadman, by the way.

[ImLawBoy]

Wait, so everyone who read It was horrified by the teenage sex scene? I read it when I was 18, and I can't even remember it.

You're reading too much into the comments here. I wasn't horrified by it when I read it, but I would certainly be uncomfortable about it now. As King notes, times have changed (and I've changed too since the teenager I was when I read it).

But is the point that it becomes sexy when everyone involved is 18 (19?) and horrific when they are 17 or below, or...how does that work, anyway?

No, the point I was trying to make was that em2 seemed to be pining for a group sex scene where a bunch of 13-15 year old boys have serial sex with a girl of the same age. I mentioned 18 because that is the commonly used distinction between porn and child porn. Again, don't read too much into it.

[hepcat]

We're gonna get flagged by adult filters now, aren't we.

[ImLawBoy]

flagged by adult filters

Don't kink shame.

[em2nought]

No, the point I was trying to make was that em2 seemed to be pining for a group sex scene where a bunch of 13-15 year old boys have serial sex with a girl of the same age. I mentioned 18 because that is the commonly used distinction between porn and child porn. Again, don't read too much into it.

So you think that "I think" they would film such a scene with underage actors? Maybe Roman Polanski would have. "Not It" would be a funny title though. I would have preferred Hooper to have an affair with Brody's wife, and then succumb to the shark too. Although that little scene with them kicking toward shore afterward was kind of cute, and I wouldn't give up Quint's "Indianapolis" dialogue either so... Faithful adaption? I'm not sure what my point is?

[ImLawBoy]

Even if it's using adult actors, the intent would be to make them age appropriate for the movie (i.e., 13-15), which strikes me as creepy for an adult to want to see. That's one area where I'm cool with kink shaming. Also, keep in mind that the scene was not necessarily portrayed as sexy in the book (or at least, I don't think it was - it's been a long, long time since I read it). It was just something that had to be done.

[em2nought]

Even if it's using adult actors, the intent would be to make them age appropriate for the movie (i.e., 13-15), which strikes me as creepy for an adult to want to see. That's one area where I'm cool with kink shaming. Also, keep in mind that the scene was not necessarily portrayed as sexy in the book (or at least, I don't think it was - it's been a long, long time since I read it). It was just something that had to be done.

I get it, I'm a bad guy doesn't matter if it's "Everything But Gaming", or "Religion & Politics". Let's just make sure everybody knows it.

For the record, underage children are not my kink. I don't like children or old people period. See, bad guy, just not in "that" particular way.

[ImLawBoy]

Even if it's using adult actors, the intent would be to make them age appropriate for the movie (i.e., 13-15), which strikes me as creepy for an adult to want to see. That's one area where I'm cool with kink shaming. Also, keep in mind that the scene was not necessarily portrayed as sexy in the book (or at least, I don't think it was - it's been a long, long time since I read it). It was just something that had to be done.

I get it, I'm a bad guy doesn't matter if it's "Everything But Gaming", or "Religion & Politics". Let's just make sure everybody knows it.

For the record, underage children are not my kink. I don't like children or old people period. See, bad guy, just not in "that" particular way.

I mean, you're the one who posted:

I don't see what the problem is here. It's not like the movie has the teen gang-bang from the novel in it.

More's the pity.

Is it somehow weird to interpret that as you wanting to see a teen gang bang scene featuring the cast of It?

[gameoverman]

Wait, so everyone who read It was horrified by the teenage sex scene? I read it when I was 18, and I can't even remember it.

But is the point that it becomes sexy when everyone involved is 18 (19?) and horrific when they are 17 or below, or...how does that work, anyway?

I wasn't horrified but I was surprised he squeezed that scene in there. I understood he was saying something about the characters bonding but that was the best way he could think of to do it?

I wasn't horrified because by that point I had read, among other things, Survivor Type. So it's not like I thought of King as incapable of crossing lines.

Later he admitted he was on drugs during those years and that explained everything, to me at least.

People can say what they will about age of consent, good idea or bad idea, but I personally would feel weird recommending a book to a 13 year old if that book has kids having sex in it. As an adult why would I do that? It'd be creepy. I would have no problem recommending the movie, and if it leads them to read the book it's not my fault.

[hepcat]

I’m still trying to figure out if kink shaming is actually a thing.

[YellowKing]

In defense of King, I've read nearly everything he's ever published, and I've never seen him as being gratuitous with sex. He's had a number of child molestation scenes in other books (Gerald's Game primarily), yet those felt exactly as you would imagine - utterly horrific. I remember the IT scene feeling the same way. I don't think it was ever supposed to be titillating in the least.

Contrast that to someone like Richard Laymon. I remember one novel where the bad guy was raping some teenager and it felt like it was written to be nothing but gratuitously sexual. Bad guy eyeing underage girls, etc. Granted, in the story the bad guy is supposed to be REALLY bad, but at some point you wonder if that stuff is serving the story or is being thrown in there because the author is a total perv.

[Isgrimnur]

It's all fun and games until -

Spoiler:

- the intergalactic space turtle shows up.

[McNutt]

Weren't the kids like 11 or 12 when they had their gangbang?

[Smoove_B]

First trailer has been released for Part 2, coming 9/6/19:

[hepcat]

That's weird, I saw no James Franco appearances in that trailer.

How is that even possible in this day and age?

[Pyperkub]

We all float down here (some more) on Sept 6th, '19:

Pennywise the murderous clown is back and scarier than ever, looking for revenge on the grown-up members of the Losers Club in IT: Chapter Two, Warner Brothers' follow-up to its 2017's blockbuster horror film, IT.

Also has new trailer! (missed Smoove's post...)

[Suitably Ironic Moniker]

This looks so good.

[Smoove_B]

[em2nought]

See, now they're adults. They can finally have the gangbang scene. LMAO