Subway Jared in trouble?

[LawBeefaroni]

Your hot teacher would be abusing your immaturity even if you thought you were a hot stud and had all the high fives in the world. It's abuse, no matter if it's a boy or girl who sleeps with an adult -- especially one with perceived power.

If you can't see (or admit it), it's because this is a forum of grown up nerds. Not people who work with social services, child welfare, or psychologists.

It might be because some of us had sex with older women when we were still minors.

"Sex with older women" is not the same as "sex with women who abuse their positions of trust and power" over minors.

Even if there is absolutely zero trauma to the minor, and ignoring the law, it's still a severe breach of ethics and trust.

[GreenGoo]

Your hot teacher would be abusing your immaturity even if you thought you were a hot stud and had all the high fives in the world. It's abuse, no matter if it's a boy or girl who sleeps with an adult -- especially one with perceived power.

If you can't see (or admit it), it's because this is a forum of grown up nerds. Not people who work with social services, child welfare, or psychologists.

It might be because some of us had sex with older women when we were still minors.

"Sex with older women" is not the same as "sex with women who abuse their positions of trust and power" over minors.

Even if there is absolutely zero trauma to the minor, and ignoring the law, it's still a severe breach of ethics and trust.

Fair enough. I admit I didn't realize that Zarathud had used a specific relationship for his comments. I concede the point. How many orders of separation is required before ethics and trust don't enter into it? Obviously direct supervision is too close. What about a teacher that does not teach the boy? Presumably not. What about private piano teacher? What about mom's friend? What about grocery bagger you mistook for being your own age but in actuality is a college senior?

And just to be clear, I'm uncomfortable with romantic relationships forming between anyone already in a relationship of unequal standing, be it the 17 year old camp counsellors and 15 year old campers or a boss and an underling, or a professor and a student.

Adult and minor relationships should be verboten by default.

[LordMortis]

Your hot teacher would be abusing your immaturity even if you thought you were a hot stud and had all the high fives in the world. It's abuse, no matter if it's a boy or girl who sleeps with an adult -- especially one with perceived power.

If you can't see (or admit it), it's because this is a forum of grown up nerds. Not people who work with social services, child welfare, or psychologists.

Oh I understand that. You can't mix being an authority figure with any of this nonsense male of female. But it's foreign to me that 15 year old boy scarred from getting laid by hot teacher. I'm sure it happens. It's just foreign to me. And it's misogynist of me but I can't help but seeing 15 year old girl getting laid by 22 year old boy as a problem, whereas I personally would have had no regrets getting laid by 22 year old woman when I was 15.

Edit...

Taking it step further, I am beyond misogynist, sadly I am also homophobic. Think I would also take issue with a 22 year old same sex person having sex 15 year old and, quite frankly, pregnancy is completely off the table there. I have some soul searching to do. The only time I don't raise an eye brow is when I can empathize with the victim.

[Jaddison]

apparently his "charity" was more to support child porn

Former Subway pitchman Jared Fogle's charity was billed as a multi-million dollar effort to combat childhood obesity when it was launched in 2008, but it never gave out a single grant.

The Jared Foundation gave most of the money it did spend to its embattled executive director, Russell Taylor, USA Today reported

[Smoove_B]

whereas I personally would have had no regrets getting laid by 22 year old woman when I was 15.

I know anecdotes don't make truths, but I went to high school with a guy that was absolutely having sexual relations with a teacher. He would have been 15 and she was around 40. He went on to become a teacher himself and did the same thing to a ~15 year old girl. Made big news here in the state, actually. He claimed his high school experience is what mentally conditioned him to do it to someone else (or some other such nonsense). If it was abuse, then he had Stockholm Syndrome as far as I'm concerned because he sure as hell wasn't twisted up about it when I knew him.

[Bakhtosh]

I never saw this story linked on here:
Jared Fogle’s Friend Wore a Wire to Bring Him to Justice

“He had a lot of these sexual fantasies with children. He categorically listed ways that he would develop relationships with children and entice them to do sexual things with him.” “He wanted me to arrange a party for him, a kids party.” She made up a list of children, ages 7 to 11. And he shared his true desires. “He wanted to get the children and have sexual intercourse with them.”

It looks like the only acts we're aware he's guilty of were with 16-17 year old prostitutes, but he was headed down a dark path. I'm shocked the police didn't set up a sting to get him for Grooming..

[Zarathud]

Everything related to Jared's charity is public. Few reporters or state Attorney Generals pay attention, unfortunately.

If you want to treat 18 year olds as adults who can make grown up life decisions, that technically also applies to their genetalia -- which is why I don't understand all the bitching about the "only 20 year old" getting busted over sleeping with a minor. By definition, one side is old enough to know better and the other isn't.

All adults have perceived authority and unfair advantages over minors. Adults in places of actual authority over minors have NO excuse for abusing their power and relationship -- even if there could be willing consent, it's still dysfunctional plus immoral and unethical. It doesn't matter if there were teachers you fantasized about in high school -- our brains at one time were messed up with puberty, hormones, and immaturity. That's just scientific fact.

I could tolerate a 2-3 year age difference of "young adults" engaged in relationships with 16+ year olds, as long as we recognize that we're being practical hypocrites, not correcting an injustice in the sex laws. But any adult sleeping with 14 year olds? Not at all. No exceptions for boys or girls.

[GreenGoo]

That's weird. Sex with underage but post puberty girls is a different mental illness than sex with prepubescent children. At least that's my understanding.

Has there been any reporting on the contents of his porn collection? I mean that would be far more telling than an informant's eye witness account.

In any case, with a little luck he won't be able to get near any kids, pre- or post-puberty, for a long while.

[GreenGoo]

If you want to treat 18 year olds as adults who can make grown up life decisions, that technically also applies to their genetalia -- which is why I don't understand all the bitching about the "only 20 year old" getting busted over sleeping with a minor. By definition, one side is old enough to know better and the other isn't.

You can vote in the US and Canada at 18. You can drink in Canada at 19, except for Alberta, Manitoba and Quebec, where it's 18. In the UK you can drink at 18, unless accompanied by an adult, in which case you can drink at 16, but you can't buy it. The age of consent in Canada is 16, which means you could come up here and bang one of our 16 year olds, and as long as they agreed, you're doing nothing illegal. Same in the UK. Even parts of the US have the same age of consent, meaning Jared could have had sex with 16 year olds in those states and been fine (outside of prostitution violations, which is another topic we started to discuss). Some states have age of consent set to 18. That means Jared could have had sex with 16 year olds and been fine in some states, or had sex with a 17 year old and gone to jail in other states.

You may feel strongly about this, and "tolerate" some behaviour, but you're not the final arbiter, and it seems that several modern, western countries with similar roots all can't decide on when a person becomes an adult who is free to do adult things on their own volition.

Presumably because it's not an easy thing to decide, despite some people in this thread having very strong feelings on the matter.

I could tolerate a 2-3 year age difference of "young adults" engaged in relationships with 16+ year olds, as long as we recognize that we're being practical hypocrites, not correcting an injustice in the sex laws. But any adult sleeping with 14 year olds? Not at all. No exceptions for boys or girls.

The law has you covered, so no need to fret. It's not legal in America, Canada or the UK to have sex with a 14 year old. Can you imagine if the question of age just never came up in the anecdote I posted? The girl sought out the boy to flirt with, and the boy, finding her attractive was interested in dating her. She was interested too. Any sort of sexual contact between the two is illegal, even non-penetrative contact (if you think 14 year olds having sex is far fetched. It's not). So this kid, minding his own business, working at the fair, goes on a date (or several) with a big boobed girl who pursued him, and next thing you know he's on the sex offenders list. That doesn't sound like justice to me, even when I agree that no adult should be anywhere near a 14 year old.

[Zarathud]

A low age of consent is a relic of an earlier time when you married young because you died young and had a lot of children who often died.

I have strong opinions because there's some seriously scary shit going on around the country. I know a former social services worker who dealt with minors who had sex with adults. My wife did research for a charity working on child abuse issues. I've heard about warning signs of abuse in the Duggar and other "quiver-full" families for years.

I often disagree with the forum's libertarian tendencies (see crime, drugs, etc.), so I'm not a newly opinionated asshole. Just ask Rip, msd or Incendiary Lemon, I've been this way for awhile. I also find it somewhat amusing when I'm more conservative than Rip on an issue.

[Zarathud]

And Goo, your anecdote (1) proves nothing and (2) involves a creeper who was just "taking photographs" in his side job. My bet is that those photos would have required a consent form and likely nudity. He backed off because he wanted to skate the line to sell "teen model" photos, not just casually hook up. The 14 year old's reaction showed her immaturity and cluelessness.

Let me give you another anecdote. My youngest sister at that age needed someone to explain to her that there was something wrong with being invited to model at an out of town "fashion show" for 20+ year olds. She was shocked that, at best, her audience wouldn't care about the clothes she modeled. I'm not suggesting that young women don't have sex, but we're not talking about sex within their peer group. We're talking about adults who seek out their immature minds but mature bodies.

[GreenGoo]

And Goo, your anecdote (1) proves nothing and (2) involves a creeper who was just "taking photographs" in his side job. My bet is that those photos would have required a consent form and likely nudity. He backed off because he wanted to skate the line to sell "teen model" photos, not just casually hook up. The 14 year old's reaction showed her immaturity and cluelessness.

Let me give you another anecdote. My youngest sister at that age needed someone to explain to her that there was something wrong with being invited to model at an out of town "fashion show" for 20+ year olds. She was shocked that, at best, her audience wouldn't care about the clothes she modeled. I'm not suggesting that young women don't have sex, but we're not talking about sex within their peer group. We're talking about adults who seek out their immature minds but mature bodies.

Lol. Wow, you got all that from the girl's perspective? You sir, should use your powers for good. In any case, I thought the anecdote was a rare insight into the mind of a 14 year old girl, since we seem to have a significant dearth of those around here despite being uniquely useful for the topic at hand, since most of us are middle aged males, we're a little far removed from the whole thing, except maybe as parents of those involved, which tends to bias people. I know it does me.

And the topic has ranged far and wide, from Jared and his procurement of under aged sex toys (changed because it offended me ) workers to prostitution, to statutory rape, to what constitutes an "adult" and many areas in between. You may have a single idea in mind (obvious creeps seeking out post puberty children for sex) but as I've shown, even that idea is more nuanced, even in your own country, than you seem willing to admit.

And that's fine, you're entitled to your opinion, it's just that the law differs from what you think. If you think the law should be changed, ok, I get that too. I disagree with a lot of laws, and would like to see them changed. In this case however, it seems like your zealotry is overloading your ability to think about this rationally. Your circumstances and my circumstances are not everyone's circumstances. Their lives and viewpoints differ from ours for a lot of different reasons, many of which are just as valid as yours and mine.

And yet another disclaimer. I am not advocating for more sex with minors. What I am doing is attempting to view this from multiple angles. My personal opinion is that adults having sex with 16 year olds is icky, and I'd rather people stay within their own age bracket, mostly. This preference loosens up as the people involved get older, but I'm still not comfortable with 50<->20 type relationships. I also realize that what I prefer is irrelevant and at that point it is none of my business.

[GreenGoo]

A low age of consent is a relic of an earlier time when you married young because you died young and had a lot of children who often died.

Um...I would consider 16 a high age of consent, historically. 18? That's probably as high as it's ever been in the history of the concept of age of majority. To suggest that 16 or 18 is a remanent of an earlier time is...weird.

And I don't follow your logic anyway. In the past we died younger so we had to reproduce earlier, but now that we live longer, it should be illegal and immoral to breed at that age? So the length of our lives determines our morality with regard to sex?

And physiologically we are "becoming adults" earlier and earlier. Here's an article from the US National Library of Medicine, National Institutes of Health.

Over the past 150 years, the age of puberty onset has fallen substantially across many developed countries. Although trends are apparent in both sexes,1 the evidence in females (where biological markers are clearer) suggests that, for instance, in northern Europe the age at menarche (first menstruation) fell during the 1800s, then further reduced by up to 3 years over the last century (fig 1​1).). Factors contributing to this fall include a combination of public health successes and changes in social structures. Thus, successes such as improved childhood nutrition and health status through reduction in childhood infections have been major factors accelerating the onset of puberty.7

So our bodies are trying to reproduce earlier and earlier. Reproductive drive is a hard thing to fight. Hormones can overload our thought process. This comes in direct conflict with our morality as a society (assuming that the US and Canada are "close enough" to each other to group them together).

I was shocked in one of our threads when the topic of underage sex (between peers) came up and many people here suggested that it is rare (with a hint of "they must be sluts" thrown in for good measure). What I personally saw, and yes this is anecdotal, so I include it only for interest sake, is that many people of similar age dated, and some of them had sex. No problem. I also saw people between grades date, and then one of them goes off to university, and now a college student is dating a high school student. Are they having sex? Is this an atrocity? Are two 16 year olds an atrocity as compared to an 19 year old and a 17 year old? What about a 30 year old and a 17 year old? How can we accept that a 17 year old can consent to sex with another 17 year old, but not to a 30 year old? If anything, that 17 year old guy is trying WAY harder to manipulate the 17 year old girl into sex than the 30 year old guy would, so it's not (necessarily) like the 30 year old is a mustache twirling villain while the 17 year old is just playing an innocent game of doctor.

What I meant to say is that I saw plenty of 16 year olds who dated and had sex with other 16 year olds. But I also saw 21 year olds dating 16-17 year olds from their church. Were they having sex? Maybe? Was their dating approved of? In at least one case, yes. Both sets of parents seemed to be pretty happy about it. Were they bad people? It made me uncomfortable, but it was legal and none of my business despite giving me the heebie jeebies.

[Canuck]

Oh man, this thread. OO has reached a new low. Comparing underage child prostitution to pro sports? Suggesting that one of the most relevant concerns of this whole fiasco is that the girls ended up getting paid twice? Wow.

That's bullshit. I'm sick of people only skimming shit and then paraphrasing what's being discussed. prostitution was compared to pro sports. One person has voiced a query about the girls getting paid twice.

Wow right back.

My problem is that people make comments like that and then almost no one calls them out on it. Hepcat maybe? As for the child prostitution, maybe I read too much into that but the prostitution/pro sports equivalence is dumb enough on its own. Put it in a thread where child prostitution and people can't be blamed for mistakenly drawing conclusions.

[gbasden]

When I dated my first real girlfriend, I was 17 and she was 15. She had skipped a grade, so she was only one year behind me in school. Within the year, we began to have sex, as most of our peers were. She instigated the sex, btw, although I was incredibly receptive. We dated through my second year of college, and during a few of those years she was underaged while I was not.

I personally don't believe I did anything wrong - we were in a long, steady relationship and cared for each other. If things had gone differently and her parents disliked me, I could be on a sex offender list right now and my life could be ruined. I'm extremely conflicted about statutory rape laws. I have no qualms that my girlfriend and other high school girls I knew absolutely had the capacity to decide for themselves when to become sexually active. On the other hand, the thought of much older guys sleeping with 16-20 year old girls squicks me out. It's hard to rationally justify - I still think the late teens have the capacity for consent, but I guess it's the power dynamics at play.

As I said, I'm conflicted.

[Jeff V]

On the other hand, the thought of much older guys sleeping with 16-20 year old girls squicks me out. It's hard to rationally justify - I still think the late teens have the capacity for consent, but I guess it's the power dynamics at play.
As I said, I'm conflicted.

I dunno...Hef brought our generation 18 year old hotness for all the world to see, objectifying them for all men regardless of age (and famously practiced what he preached). I've met some stunning, physically mature 18-20 year olds that I'd have to be a eunuch to toss out of bed if the occasion ever arose. Now, it hasn't happened since I was in that age group -- but there's a girl in the Philippines who was 19 when she first attempted to pry me away from my now wife - and 5 years later she still hasn't given up. We had never actually met, but I chatted with her occasionally on Skype before she got all nutty and she was hot as hell...

[Paingod]

I always thought the rule of thumb was half your age + 7 years, and (American) society is generally okay with it.

At 15, you can date down to 14.
At 20, you can date down to 17.
At 25, you can date down to 19.
At 30, you can date down to 22.
At 35, you can date down to 24.
At 40, you can date down to 27.
At 50, you can date down to 32.

... but that's before people will generally scrunch their noses up and say "Really? Eeew."

When I first met my wife, who was 25 at the time, she was dating a 50 year old and everyone was "Eeew" about it except her and him. If she had been 32 or older, it would have elicited a shrug.

[GreenGoo]

My problem is that people make comments like that and then almost no one calls them out on it. Hepcat maybe? As for the child prostitution, maybe I read too much into that but the prostitution/pro sports equivalence is dumb enough on its own. Put it in a thread where child prostitution and people can't be blamed for mistakenly drawing conclusions.

I get that, but a lot of the more substantial threads at OO have a TON of information in them, and require significant reading time to follow along. Sure, some threads are IGNesque, with a "I love bacon" followed by "me too" posts, but for some political or controversial topics, things can get deep (well, deeper than your average web forum or news clip) and comments are often context sensitive or nuanced.

It's hard to follow along in short moments during the workday, I get that. It's hard to enough when people participating aren't absorbing everything being discussed. When lurkers skim through and drop what in my opinion is somewhat insulting generalization of the forum as a whole, it annoys me, because I tend to put some energy and time into my comments.

You're not the only one Canuck, I just happened to jump on you. Pyperkub did it recently too which annoyed me just as much but I didn't comment because I can't comment on everything all the time.

And that's most often the reason that outlandish or unreasonable posts go undealt with at times. There just isn't enough time in the day to address every point that ever gets made on OO, even if we have an army of posters reading and writing.

A certain member of the forum is more prone to racist comments than the rest of us, but tgb is the primary guy who calls him on it. If tgb is not around, the comments might go unnoted for a bit, just because.

[Jeff V]

I always thought the rule of thumb was half your age + 7 years, and (American) society is generally okay with it.

At 15, you can date down to 14.
At 20, you can date down to 17.
At 25, you can date down to 19.
At 30, you can date down to 22.
At 35, you can date down to 24.
At 40, you can date down to 27.
At 50, you can date down to 32.

... but that's before people will generally scrunch their noses up and say "Really? Eeew."

When I first met my wife, who was 25 at the time, she was dating a 50 year old and everyone was "Eeew" about it except her and him. If she had been 32 or older, it would have elicited a shrug.

I guess I fall into the "eww' category -- my wife is 30, I am 53. The ages were 25/47 when we first met in person.

[hepcat]

When discussing any rush to sexual maturity in today's kids, I partially blame Disney and similar entertainment industry stalwarts for churning out sexualized images of underage girls over the last few decades. The South Park episode "Stupid Spoiled Whore Video Playset" pretty much mirrors my opinion on that matter.

However, in thinking it over, I have to wonder if this isn't really as new as I think it is. Wasn't Annette Funicello considered to be a bit over the top with her tight sweaters on the Mickey Mouse Club all those years ago?

[GreenGoo]

I've said my bit. It's too easy to read my comments as condoning what Jared has done, which I certainly do not, so I'm going to bow out.

A comment on some of my personal experiences first:

I was intensely focused on sex when I was a teenager, but unlike many others, I spent a significant amount of mental energy on it. I was acutely aware of the dynamics between the various couples and couplings, and intentionally passed on the opportunity to have sex multiple times until I was older and had met someone I cared about enough to "make love". Saying "no" was sometimes hard, but mostly easy. It just wasn't right (not that it was "wrong", just not what I wanted).

Sure, I desperately wanted sex as a teenage male, but I wanted it on my own terms, which were somewhat stringent for whatever reason. Today I think 15 year old me was an idiot for not getting laid when he could, but I give him a pass because it was clearly very important to him to get it right.

And for the record, I got lucky and "got it right". It was life changing and that relationship is still a part of me today.

[Jeff V]

When discussing any rush to sexual maturity in today's kids, I partially blame Disney and similar entertainment industry stalwarts for churning out sexualized images of underage girls over the last few decades. The South Park episode "Stupid Spoiled Whore Video Playset" pretty much mirrors my opinion on that matter.

However, in thinking it over, I have to wonder if this isn't really as new as I think it is. Wasn't Annette Funicello considered to be a bit over the top with her tight sweaters on the Mickey Mouse Club all those years ago?

I think you are just looking at it from a different perspective. I think things are a lot more conservative now than they were back in the '70's, when the post-hippie "sexual revolution" was going on. I remember going to a local festival in the early 80's with a coworker, who mentioned his parents would have "smacked the hell out of" girls dressed as skimpily as they were back then. These would have been the spawn of the hippy generation -- in the 70's, we still had to deal with the oppression of parents brought up in a stifled Ward and June Cleaver world.

[Blackhawk]

I always thought the rule of thumb was half your age + 7 years, and (American) society is generally okay with it.

At 15, you can date down to 14.
At 20, you can date down to 17.
At 25, you can date down to 19.
At 30, you can date down to 22.
At 35, you can date down to 24.
At 40, you can date down to 27.
At 50, you can date down to 32.

... but that's before people will generally scrunch their noses up and say "Really? Eeew."

When I first met my wife, who was 25 at the time, she was dating a 50 year old and everyone was "Eeew" about it except her and him. If she had been 32 or older, it would have elicited a shrug.

To hell with the eeew. I've known a few couples well outside of the 'eeew' range that have had long, happy lives with happy, well-adjusted, well-raised kids as a result. I wouldn't deny them that just because society makes a funny face.

(For clarity, I'm still not talking about 14-year-olds here.)

[Brian]

I was 22 when I started dating a 17 year old girl.

We've now been married nearly 26 years.

[GreenGoo]

I was 22 when I started dating a 17 year old girl.

We've now been married nearly 26 years.

So...which state was that, and what's the statute of limitations on statutory rape? I'm assuming "start dating" is a euphemism.

[Brian]

Yes, it's a euphemism for when we started dating.

Now, if you want a euphemism for when we started having sex, then we'll have to go with something like, "two weeks later."

[Jeff V]

Now, if you want a euphemism for when we started having sex, then we'll have to go with something like, "two weeks later."

I applaud your restraint, sir. Up until my mid-30's, sex always came before the 3rd date.

[Brian]

Oh no, we were both ready to go the first night.

However, there was an issue that needed sorting out before we could do so.

Hint: It involved a special shampoo and a tiny comb.

[Paingod]

Hint: It involved a special shampoo and a tiny comb.

Hmmm...

[GreenGoo]

Oh no, we were both ready to go the first night.

However, there was an issue that needed sorting out before we could do so.

Hint: It involved a special shampoo and a tiny comb.

L.

O.

L.

[noxiousdog]

My problem is that people make comments like that and then almost no one calls them out on it. Hepcat maybe? As for the child prostitution, maybe I read too much into that but the prostitution/pro sports equivalence is dumb enough on its own. Put it in a thread where child prostitution and people can't be blamed for mistakenly drawing conclusions.

Seriously?

1) it's not dumb. It's very similar. People selling their bodies for your entertainment. There are the high class workers who get paid and the ones that are abused by the system and spit out (college players/low round draft picks who blow out a knee and their scholarships are cut). Some enjoy it. Some do not. The only difference is you think one is ok and the other is not.

2) Blaming someone else that you didn't read is about as low as it gets.

[Rip]

I always thought the rule of thumb was half your age + 7 years, and (American) society is generally okay with it.

At 15, you can date down to 14.
At 20, you can date down to 17.
At 25, you can date down to 19.
At 30, you can date down to 22.
At 35, you can date down to 24.
At 40, you can date down to 27.
At 50, you can date down to 32.

... but that's before people will generally scrunch their noses up and say "Really? Eeew."

When I first met my wife, who was 25 at the time, she was dating a 50 year old and everyone was "Eeew" about it except her and him. If she had been 32 or older, it would have elicited a shrug.

To hell with the eeew. I've known a few couples well outside of the 'eeew' range that have had long, happy lives with happy, well-adjusted, well-raised kids as a result. I wouldn't deny them that just because society makes a funny face.

(For clarity, I'm still not talking about 14-year-olds here.)

My step-father is several years younger than I am.

[Jeff V]

My step-father is several years younger than I am.

My in-laws are 3-4 years younger than I am. My wife has brothers still in grammar school.

[gbasden]

Seriously?

1) it's not dumb. It's very similar. People selling their bodies for your entertainment. There are the high class workers who get paid and the ones that are abused by the system and spit out (college players/low round draft picks who blow out a knee and their scholarships are cut). Some enjoy it. Some do not. The only difference is you think one is ok and the other is not.

2) Blaming someone else that you didn't read is about as low as it gets.

Concur on both points.

[JSHAW]

Another piece of the puzzle falls into place?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.2340007

[Carpet_pissr]

Aaand there's the Thailand connection...not surprising I guess

[hepcat]

I find it odd that the topic of having sex with children was something Jared seemed comfortable with just casually mentioning to some folks. Talking to a reporter, he just casually mentions how hot young schoolgirls are; discussing the future of the footlong with a branch manager at Subway, he just casually mentions he was in Thailand having sex with children recently.

He has to be something of a sociapath in addition to a pedophile, for christ's sake.

[hepcat]

The only difference is you think one is ok and the other is not.

No one is saying either is right. They're just disputing your attempt to draw moralistic parallels between them.

[JSHAW]

I find it odd that the topic of having sex with children was something Jared seemed comfortable with just casually mentioning to some folks. Talking to a reporter, he just casually mentions how hot young schoolgirls are; discussing the future of the footlong with a branch manager at Subway, he just casually mentions he was in Thailand having sex with children recently.

He has to be something of a sociapath in addition to a pedophile, for christ's sake.

EXACTLY!

Somewhere along the way after dropping all the weight he dropped the filter that
most people have that keeps them from having diarrhea of the mouth. He HAD no
filter.

[YellowKing]

Some people truly just have no clue about how to act socially. I had one guy at work jokingly come up - while I was in the middle of a conference call - to show me a joke picture from Facebook featuring a naked woman. I mean seriously dude?