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After listening to and reflecting on Bowie for most of today, I have finally come to realize why this one hurts so much more than others. Ever since my tiny brain could form the thought "i really enjoy this song", Bowie has been a part of it. From my dad singing me Starman as a lullaby when I was sick, to listening to Hunky Dory on family rides in the car, to being mesmerized by Labyrinth, to an awkward teenager trying to dance to "Let's Dance", to Mrs. Skinypupy and I listening to the "Hours..." album literally for hours together, all up through being blown away by Blackstar just last week. No matter how often my personal winds have shifted, Bowie has been the one constant thread of music throughout my entire life, and knowing that there won't be any more just feels...empty. There are singers, bands, and songs that I love, but no one else has had that sort of lasting impact.
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As I said earlier, Bowie was the soundtrack of my youth. I told Wife that I was delighted with the amount of coverage his death generated because I had thought that I was the only one who liked him. "You were," she said, "when I met you." Apparently he didn't become a mainstream crossover until sometime in the '80s.

Nobody else has mentioned the David Live! album that served as my mainstay and introduced me to most of his pre-Ziggy songs. I knew those versions long before I heard most of the studio versions. Highly recommended if you've never listened to it. (The whole album is available as separate tracks at that link, best listened to in sequence -- just let 'em autoplay)
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Well that and he has a family that would need the money from it after he was gone. Feel sorry for him as rich and famous as he was I still feel sorry for him.
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listening to Donny McCaslin's 2015 album Fast Future (he was saxophonist and band leader on - all the members of the band on that album are present here). jazz fusion is really not my thing, but there are some really fantastic parts on here. (and an Aphex Twin cover..?)

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:) Not a fan either...that sounded like noise to me.
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Daehawk wrote:Well that and he has a family that would need the money from it after he was gone. Feel sorry for him as rich and famous as he was I still feel sorry for him.
If you are referring to him putting out his last album, I absolutely do not believe his family needed any more money. I do believe he put out that last album out of love for his craft and love for his fans. I just dont see money as the motivation here.
Well do you ever get the feeling that the story's too damn real and in the present tense?
Or that everybody's on the stage and it seems like you're the only person sitting in the audience?
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Daehawk wrote:Well that and he has a family that would need the money from it after he was gone. Feel sorry for him as rich and famous as he was I still feel sorry for him.
If you are referring to him putting out his last album, I absolutely do not believe his family needed any more money. I do believe he put out that last album out of love for his craft and love for his fans. I just dont see money as the motivation here.
Bowie's net worth at the time he died was estimated at around $230 million. I'd say money wasn't a determining factor.
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The last album was for his legacy in music and an outlet for focus in his struggle.
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The music was special and the man was unique.

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Skinypupy wrote:After listening to and reflecting on Bowie for most of today, I have finally come to realize why this one hurts so much more than others. Ever since my tiny brain could form the thought "i really enjoy this song", Bowie has been a part of it. From my dad singing me Starman as a lullaby when I was sick, to listening to Hunky Dory on family rides in the car, to being mesmerized by Labyrinth, to an awkward teenager trying to dance to "Let's Dance", to Mrs. Skinypupy and I listening to the "Hours..." album literally for hours together, all up through being blown away by Blackstar just last week. No matter how often my personal winds have shifted, Bowie has been the one constant thread of music throughout my entire life, and knowing that there won't be any more just feels...empty. There are singers, bands, and songs that I love, but no one else has had that sort of lasting impact.
For me the wealth of memories and his deep catalog are the reasons it isn't hitting me too hard. I of course feel bad that he's gone and for his family/friends but on a personal level I feel like I've gotten so much from him, and will continue to, that I don't feel the loss as much as I would have thought.

I came home last after work yesterday and the wife declared an emergency movie night. We watched Labyrinth. I'll admit to dozing off during the middle but doing so sitting on the couch next to the wife with my daughter and our cat both curled up on my lap, the kiddo completely entranced by the Goblin King, was a great moment. One note, Labyrinth in HD really dates it. Might be worth going back to regular DVD for that one.
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rshetts2 wrote: If you are referring to him putting out his last album, I absolutely do not believe his family needed any more money. I do believe he put out that last album out of love for his craft and love for his fans. I just dont see money as the motivation here.
Very much so. I highly doubt Bowie ever did anything he didn't feel like doing.
Zarathud wrote:The last album was for his legacy in music and an outlet for focus in his struggle.
It feels like Johnny Cash's last album. Very personal and very mortal.
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Last night I was playing an assortment of Bowie songs on YouTube. When I played "Let's Dance", the baby took notice and started dancing all around the room. :happy-partydance:
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hepcat wrote:
Zarathud wrote:The last album was for his legacy in music and an outlet for focus in his struggle.
It feels like Johnny Cash's last album. Very personal and very mortal.
Like Johnny Cash's last three albums, really. Bowie's passing reminds me of Cash's, for how much it feels like a giant has left the Earth. But Cash's death was a long time coming, while Bowie's feels so sudden.
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All this Bowie talk makes me think of Flight of the Conchords.
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I have been reflecting on what Bowie meant to me since yesterday and why I was brought to tears with his passing. I was born in 64 and now realize that even though I love the music from that decade, it was my parents music. The music that Bowie created and that I love is the first that I can call my own, I didn't get it through my parents and they certainly didn't understand the progression from Bowie to punk rock when he changed directions, but that early music was my core, I became what it stood for and it represented who I was on the inside. My heroes were Nemoy and Bowie, both represented the alienation that I felt as a child, no-one understood me much as they were not understood in the characters they portrayed. This really has hit me far harder than I expected, I even woke up to Bowie in my head this morning, I guess he would find that a fitting tribute.
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Archinerd wrote:All this Bowie talk makes me think of Flight of the Conchords.
LOL, I remember that when I binge-watched all those episodes. "Does the space cold make your nipples go pointy, Bowie?"
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Rip wrote:The music was special and the man was unique.

RIP

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Rolling Stone had a fantastic tribute by Tim Lefebvre, the bass player on Blackstar.
David was a star. He knew it. The man was more powerful than the image. He managed to control everything. He was a king and a gentleman. He treated everyone with respect and love. He was sincere, authentic and brave. He made ​​you feel important. He was the first to applaud when he was amazed by someone playing. He was often amazed. So wonderful.
In today's world of so many self-absorbed twits, I love hearing stuff like this.
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We pulled out our vinyl TR&FOZS&TSFM yesterday, and it dawned on me to wonder why Kanye hasn't taken credit for it:

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You could just say Bowie had seen the future and leave it at that. No way Kanye would be able to take credit for that :D
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So many good songs... here are ten favorites from my ten favorite albums:

Life on Mars (Hunky Dory)
Breaking Glass (Low)
"Heroes" ("Heroes")
Repetition (Lodger)
Ashes to Ashes (Scary Monsters)
A Small Plot of Land (1. Outside)
Strangers When We Meet (The Buddha of Suburbia)*
Seven Years in Tibet (Earthling)
Sunday (Heathen)
Lazarus (Blackstar)

* Actually in "1. Outside" as well - my favorite album of all time.

I was always more of a fan of his Berlin years as well as the conceptual 90's, especially the gothic/Nine Inch Nails stuff. I was never much of a Ziggy or Duke man myself. I suppose what I appreciated most of all was his ability to create whole art, not "just" music but tie it in with visual arts, fashion, philosophy and theatrics. All the time with an underlying theme of alienation, which always connected to me.

I do feel like I've lost a family member. David has been the most important artist of my life, of any genre.
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Lagom Lite wrote:
I was always more of a fan of his Berlin years as well as the conceptual 90's
certainly my preferences as well. anything with Eno is automatic win.

Eno said that they were starting to discuss some ideas about a sequel to 1.Outside as of last year. that is something i would have been really* excited for.
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News tonight said it was liver cancer and he had known all along it was terminal. Why dont they do a liver transplant in this situation?
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Ah shit...

Bowie was one of a TINY group of '60s-'70s era rock stars who kept making impressive and challenging records ALL THE WAY into old age. He never sold out to pure commercialism or the "heritage" nostalgia circuit.

I didn't love everything he did, but I always knew he would express himself in an authentic way. He was a genuine artist first; not a businessman with a brand to protect. He kept exploring, making fresh music worth hearing.

Who is left from that era that has never stopped challenging us, and growing, musically? Every record? Who never walked away or sold out? (Ah, "sold out"... such a quaint term these days, almost antique.)

Dylan, sure. Neil Young, arguably. McCartney? No, sadly. Definitely not Clapton. Certainly not the Stones.

Gilmour? Waters maybe? No, they're almost retired from new music, and have been for years and years. CSN and The Eagles are essentially nostalgia acts.

And who can blame any of them? They did great work, and owe us nothing.

But who else is there, who kept going, like Bowie did? Record after record? Lou Reed is dead. Joni Mitchell drifted away years ago. Elton John became his own parody, with the occasional strong effort. There are precious few others; the kind of artist who never stopped making new music that's vital, not just an echo of the previous glory days.

For me, this is what makes Bowie's loss hurt all the more. It feels like he was the last rock star who never sold out. For me, the rock era is officially over. If it wasn't already.

(And then there's this... not surprising, but so well-deserved - Blackstar is a terrific album, IMO):

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Daehawk wrote:Why dont they do a liver transplant in this situation?
Because he was a poor candidate?
Or had a kind of cancer not treatable with a transplant?
Because there were no matching livers available?
Because younger patients are prioritized for transplants over seniors? (Even beloved and culturally important seniors.)
Because he had complications? (Like those 6 heart attacks.)
Because it had spread?

Because he didn't want them to?

Because I doubt that he and his doctors simply failed to explore viable treatment options.
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AjD wrote:
But who else is there, who kept going, like Bowie did? Record after record?
Zappa. Another dead guy, alas, but he was true to his art throughout his life, even when that led him into playfulness and parody. I can't think of any living artists who belong to that club.
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AjD wrote: But who else is there, who kept going, like Bowie did? Record after record?
Scott Walker is the first person to come to mind - probably moreso than anyone else. from this (in 1966) to this (in 2012).
listen to The Drift from 2005 if you have *any* doubts. latest album was a collaboration with drone-metal band Sunn 0))).

(and i am super interested in hearing what people thought of Lou Reed + Metallica's Lulu)

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Peter Gabriel? David Byrne? I haven't followed their recent work, if they're even still working, so I can't say, but I don't think either of them coasted on past talent or turned into nostalgia acts.
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For what it's worth, Bono might put David Byrne in the tier just below Elvis, Bowie, and Sinatra. I would agree. I've read him putting Byrne in the same sentence as Bowie. I highly recommend How Music Works.

But again, I really can't bring myself to fully read this thread or engage the discussion. For the way my son and I connect over Bowie's decades of music and perform it together, it is too personal for us.
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Daehawk wrote:News tonight said it was liver cancer and he had known all along it was terminal. Why dont they do a liver transplant in this situation?

Maybe because by the time he found out, it was already too late? Could be it was already far enough along it was already in a later stage.
AjD wrote: But who else is there, who kept going, like Bowie did?

Would Johnny Cash count? He certainly gave it his all, right up to the end and even gave us one of his better albums towards the end of his career.
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I think some have argued that Cash's last producer(s) basically exploited the dismal darkness of failing health and solemn reflection on impending death, but it dragged out over waves of new albums at the end with that tone. That doesn't diminish the effectiveness much. I cry at his cover of Hurt. But I'm glad that's not how Bowie's played out, because The Next Day wasn't the heavy death imagery of these last two Blackstar videos.
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But who else is there, who kept going, like Bowie did? Record after record?
Paul Simon maybe? He's had a lot of misses, but you get the sense that he's in it for the music, and he keeps experimenting.
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Kraken wrote:Peter Gabriel? David Byrne? I haven't followed their recent work, if they're even still working, so I can't say, but I don't think either of them coasted on past talent or turned into nostalgia acts.
David Byrne was just on Star Talk with Neil DeGrasse Tyson a few weeks ago. He does a lot of small but interesting projects and remains an intellectual force in modern music. A few years ago he came out with a book that fascinating look inside the modern music industry, and how a career person such as himself manages small projects with total budgets in the $10,000-20,000 range; and how one makes a living doing so.

Last year he produced a stage play based on Imelda Marcos that I wished I had the funds to travel to NYC to see. I hope some day it gets a run here.

Peter Gabriel is another of my all-time favorites; I've seen him three times in concert, and every one of them was among the best shows I'd ever seen. He still tours fairly regularly (no Jimmy Buffett, another for this list, but every few years). I don't really go to concerts anymore; fortunately he seems to release videos of each tour and I get to see them eventually. I haven't been buying much music in recent years and haven't heard anything new from him in a long time.
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I would say Jimmy Buffett is the very epitome of a musician cruising on past successes (although I may be misreading your reply and you're actually holding him up as example of someone who does, and not the other way around).

Warren Zevon was like Bowie in the sense that he found inspiration in his mortality. His last album is just one long farewell. Such a beautiful piece of work.
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hepcat wrote:I would say Jimmy Buffett is the very epitome of a musician cruising on past successes.
He still releases new material fairly regularly and despite just one top-40 hit (IIRC), every year he's among the top grossing concert tours. While he's certainly settled in his little niche, in addition to writing and performing songs within that niche, he's been a successful author as well. And then there's his "Margaritaville" brand. Where most artists with his musical legacy would have disappeared from public notice decades ago, he's an industry unto himself. Certainly he's an enduring personality.
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He's a good businessman, I'll give you that. But he's not an artist that should even be mentioned in the same sentence as someone like Bowie. He music does not innovate, nor does it explore anything beyond the shallow and superficial niche he carved out for himself long ago. Listening to something from Buffett today would be like listening to something from Buffett 30 years ago.

Can you tell I really, really don't like Buffett? :wink:
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hepcat wrote:That makes him a good businessman. Not an artist that should even be mentioned in the same sentence as someone like Bowie. I cannot stand Buffett.
Well, you seem to have an antagonistic bias.

Anyone who can stay relevant in the business for decades is worthy mention. The career fail rate in the music industry is quite high; whether I like a particular artist's music or not makes it no less notable of an accomplishment.
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Insane Clown Posse are great musicians using that line of reasoning. :P

I realize I'm being a little over the top, but I can't help it when it comes the guy. Have I mentioned how much I dislike Buffett? You hate on a great many things. Let me have this one...please?
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