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The thing about Franco is that even when he's playing a serious role, say for example in 11.22.63, he can do a fine job but never quite overcomes the whole creepy Franco-ness of just being James Franco.
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I, for one, am looking forward to the Alien movie starring James Franciscus and Danny DeVito.Brian wrote:So did I miss somewhere that this is a Judd Apatow movie?
I mean, it says directed by Ridley Scott but how can I take an Alien movie seriously when the cast members include James Franco and Danny McBride?
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I'm psyched - I liked Prometheus even if it didn't live up to its potential.
If they are smart - they'll just lean into the creepiness.Brian wrote:The thing about Franco is that even when he's playing a serious role, say for example in 11.22.63, he can do a fine job but never quite overcomes the whole creepy Franco-ness of just being James Franco.
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Well I think I'll enjoy the movie because now I want to see all of those people dead.tru1cy wrote:Prologue - Final Meal
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I have to admit - I was faked out.
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Trailer #2
Lots of new scenes, monster reveals.
Not overly excited about "full CGI Alien" action. I enjoyed the more practical effects Aliens.
Lots of new scenes, monster reveals.
Not overly excited about "full CGI Alien" action. I enjoyed the more practical effects Aliens.
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Everything we know from the Alien: Covenant trailers.
A lot of speculation, but some of it is informed enough to feel potentially spoilery.
A lot of speculation, but some of it is informed enough to feel potentially spoilery.
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That's why Trailers need to STFU and just tease us. So many give us 80% of the story, a lot of the best visuals, and then the movie itself seems less interesting when we get there because we've seen the best bits and know the story.
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Basically an AMD commercial. Sad!
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They've released a 'Prologue' that fills in some of the blanks from the end of Prometheus.
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So According to the somewhat spoilerific io9 review, Alien: Covenant...
[-spoilered for those who don't want even the tilt of a review-]
A few notes from the review itself:
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Maybe I'll just stick with the original.
One of the best of the medium-budgeted science fiction flicks of the 1950s, It! The Terror from Beyond Space is set in "the future" (1973, to be exact). A rescue ship travels out to Mars to retrieve the only survivor of a space probe that has experienced some sort of cataclysm. That survivor, Col Ed Carruthers (Marshall Thompson) is accused of murdering his fellow crewmen. But Ed claims that the killer was a Martian monster, and hopes to prove his assertions by signing up for a second journey to the Red Planet. Before long, the crew members of this second expedition are being systematically killed off, and it looks as though Ed is up to his old tricks. As it turns out, however, Ed was telling the truth: there is a monster on board, the savage descendant of the once-mighty Martian civilization, who snuck on board when an irresponsible crew member left the door open. The monster stays alive by absorbing the vital body fluids of its victims-and there seems to be no way to stop this parasitic creature! If the plot of It! The Terror from Beyond Space seems vaguely familiar, it is because it was one of the primary inspirations for the 1979 sci-fi classic Alien.
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I saw this last night with my Dad and Brother. We all thought it was a poor movie. the Alien(S) were atmospheric and as usual work well the settings were good but
I thought at times the space ship looked poor in space more like a model than a real ship. Nothing made me jump or squeal or even really grimace.
How many times can you
Also the characters were hopeless, it was like it was written by a 15 year old school kid. So many stupid decisions made by the crew, they were hopeless and pathetic.
All in all a really disappointing film.
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I thought at times the space ship looked poor in space more like a model than a real ship. Nothing made me jump or squeal or even really grimace.
How many times can you
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All in all a really disappointing film.
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So in other words it's a true sequel to Prometheus.All in all a really disappointing film.
Well do you ever get the feeling that the story's too damn real and in the present tense?
Or that everybody's on the stage and it seems like you're the only person sitting in the audience?
Or that everybody's on the stage and it seems like you're the only person sitting in the audience?
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rshetts2 wrote:So in other words it's a true sequel to Prometheus.All in all a really disappointing film.
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Well, Angry Joe didn't like it. (Mostly) Spoiler free review here. If you want spoilers you can get them here.
I haven't watched the spoiler review yet. I have tickets for a Sunday matinee so won't watch the spoiler discussion until then but from his regular review it sounds like they did exactly what I was afraid they were going to do.
Oh well, I guess the best I can hope for is not to hate it too much.
Edit: Good Bad Flicks didn't like it either.
I haven't watched the spoiler review yet. I have tickets for a Sunday matinee so won't watch the spoiler discussion until then but from his regular review it sounds like they did exactly what I was afraid they were going to do.
Oh well, I guess the best I can hope for is not to hate it too much.
Edit: Good Bad Flicks didn't like it either.
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I just got back and will be the voice of dissent. I agree with the current RT score of 73%. Yes, it had its flaws, but I still enjoyed it a great deal.
I think the problem with any ALIENS film is that the franchise is all over the map. The first movie was almost a pure horror film. The second movie was almost a pure action film. The third and fourth movies were mostly failed attempts to blend the two. Then Ridley Scott returns with Prometheus and tries to really give it some gravitas and mythology. The issue is that there are a lot of people who prefer the scary ones, a lot who prefer the action ones, and a few nerds that really enjoy Scott's mythology vision.
ALIEN: COVENANT is an attempt to satisfy all three crowds, and as we all know that's a really tough hill to climb. As such, it at times feels like a bunch of separate Alien films cut together, taking a bit from each style. If you enjoy all those styles on their own merits, you'll probably like this one. But if your allegiance lies to one or the other, I can see where you may be disappointed.
Personally I think we have enough dumb action/horror movies in the world, and it would be too easy to just make another slasher movie on a ship clone. Kudos to Ridley Scott for sticking to his guns on adding some depth to the series while still trying to add some crowd-pleasing moments for those who found Prometheus too dull.
As for the cast, Michael Fassbender is brilliant as usual. I absolutely loved Katherine Waterston, who could have been just another Ripley clone but added some vulnerability to the role. Danny McBride was a misstep, and I hate to say that as I'm a huge fan. He pretty much plays it totally straight, and while I can't fault an actor for wanting to stretch out from dumb comedy roles, I kept waiting for quips that never came. The rest of the cast was mostly forgettable, which is a shame. I'd have loved to seen a "Last Supper" sequence like the extended prologue trailer we got just to endear me a bit more to the other crew members, but that never materialized.
If ALIEN and ALIENS are the top dogs, this one lands squarely in the middle of the pack. And I don't think that's a bad thing. It would take a miracle to equal either of those first two films, and I'll take Ridley Scott's take on an Alien film any day over some other random director.
I think the problem with any ALIENS film is that the franchise is all over the map. The first movie was almost a pure horror film. The second movie was almost a pure action film. The third and fourth movies were mostly failed attempts to blend the two. Then Ridley Scott returns with Prometheus and tries to really give it some gravitas and mythology. The issue is that there are a lot of people who prefer the scary ones, a lot who prefer the action ones, and a few nerds that really enjoy Scott's mythology vision.
ALIEN: COVENANT is an attempt to satisfy all three crowds, and as we all know that's a really tough hill to climb. As such, it at times feels like a bunch of separate Alien films cut together, taking a bit from each style. If you enjoy all those styles on their own merits, you'll probably like this one. But if your allegiance lies to one or the other, I can see where you may be disappointed.
Personally I think we have enough dumb action/horror movies in the world, and it would be too easy to just make another slasher movie on a ship clone. Kudos to Ridley Scott for sticking to his guns on adding some depth to the series while still trying to add some crowd-pleasing moments for those who found Prometheus too dull.
As for the cast, Michael Fassbender is brilliant as usual. I absolutely loved Katherine Waterston, who could have been just another Ripley clone but added some vulnerability to the role. Danny McBride was a misstep, and I hate to say that as I'm a huge fan. He pretty much plays it totally straight, and while I can't fault an actor for wanting to stretch out from dumb comedy roles, I kept waiting for quips that never came. The rest of the cast was mostly forgettable, which is a shame. I'd have loved to seen a "Last Supper" sequence like the extended prologue trailer we got just to endear me a bit more to the other crew members, but that never materialized.
If ALIEN and ALIENS are the top dogs, this one lands squarely in the middle of the pack. And I don't think that's a bad thing. It would take a miracle to equal either of those first two films, and I'll take Ridley Scott's take on an Alien film any day over some other random director.
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The Globe's critic said it's the third-best in the series. His three-star review was more positive than I would have expected from him, so it's on my netflix list already.YellowKing wrote: If ALIEN and ALIENS are the top dogs, this one lands squarely in the middle of the pack. And I don't think that's a bad thing. It would take a miracle to equal either of those first two films, and I'll take Ridley Scott's take on an Alien film any day over some other random director.
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I'm hoping the next one will be a romcom.
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Well, I didn't hate it but it's certainly not going to rank among my favorites.
At least it wasn't as aggressively stupid as Prometheus was. It still had people doing stupid things in the name of plot and some of the story elements were frustrating but at least it mostly made sense. Also, even worse than AvP and AvP: Requiem it had:
I needn't have worried about James Franco and Danny McBride though. Franco for reasons that will be immediately clear to anybody that sees it and McBride because I apparently like him much more in a dramatic role than I do in pretty much all of his comedic roles. Who knew?
Not sure where I'd place it rank-wise in the anthology. I didn't like it as much as the first half of Resurrection but it was far, far better than the second half of Resurrection. So, I guess I would rank my enjoyment thusly:
Alien/Aliens (Sorry, this one is a tie in my book)
Alien 3
First half of Resurrection
Covenant
AvP: Requiem
Second half of Resurrection
AvP
Having my genitals set on fire and the fire stomped out by a biker gang
Prometheus
At least it wasn't as aggressively stupid as Prometheus was. It still had people doing stupid things in the name of plot and some of the story elements were frustrating but at least it mostly made sense. Also, even worse than AvP and AvP: Requiem it had:
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Not sure where I'd place it rank-wise in the anthology. I didn't like it as much as the first half of Resurrection but it was far, far better than the second half of Resurrection. So, I guess I would rank my enjoyment thusly:
Alien/Aliens (Sorry, this one is a tie in my book)
Alien 3
First half of Resurrection
Covenant
AvP: Requiem
Second half of Resurrection
AvP
Having my genitals set on fire and the fire stomped out by a biker gang
Prometheus
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I'm really undecided how I feel about it. I felt it was worth seeing, but don't feel like seeing it again anytime soon.
The good:
Fassbender is awesome, as usual.
The effects were generally good.
I know some have hated on the cast, but I didn't mind the cast of this one.
The okay:
The bad:
The good:
Fassbender is awesome, as usual.
The effects were generally good.
I know some have hated on the cast, but I didn't mind the cast of this one.
The okay:
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The war on drugs.Jeff V wrote:Give me an example of a similar project that has been so costly in terms of equipment and life and utterly unsuccessful at any level? This isn't even a caricature of a bad project being taken too far. It's more like a criminally colossal failure that, after all of the principles have been imprisoned for egregious mismanagement, the project doubles-down with a new set of even more criminally incompetent boobs. And then that group is imprisoned and someone else still thinks it's a good idea and they criminally fail yet again. And again!Max Peck wrote:Jeff has won me over. In the real world, short-sighted greed has never motivated people or faceless organizations to do carelessly stupid things that lead to unfortunate consequences, so why would it be plausible in a work of fiction?
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Jiffy, about your comment regarding Prometheus establishing the connection found in the original Alien, that being the Space Jockey with the burst out chest and a cargo hold full of eggs.
That's not entirely correct. The derelict ship found by the crew of the Nostromo and subsequently by the colonists was located on planet LV-426 where the events in Prometheus, including the crashed engineer ship, took place on LV-223. The planet in Covenant is another, completely different world.
There still remains no explanation for how the ship on LV-426 came to be there.
That's not entirely correct. The derelict ship found by the crew of the Nostromo and subsequently by the colonists was located on planet LV-426 where the events in Prometheus, including the crashed engineer ship, took place on LV-223. The planet in Covenant is another, completely different world.
There still remains no explanation for how the ship on LV-426 came to be there.
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Hey, easy there . . . I love The War on Drugs!em2nought wrote:The war on drugs.Jeff V wrote:Give me an example of a similar project that has been so costly in terms of equipment and life and utterly unsuccessful at any level? This isn't even a caricature of a bad project being taken too far. It's more like a criminally colossal failure that, after all of the principles have been imprisoned for egregious mismanagement, the project doubles-down with a new set of even more criminally incompetent boobs. And then that group is imprisoned and someone else still thinks it's a good idea and they criminally fail yet again. And again!Max Peck wrote:Jeff has won me over. In the real world, short-sighted greed has never motivated people or faceless organizations to do carelessly stupid things that lead to unfortunate consequences, so why would it be plausible in a work of fiction?
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I saw it yesterday and it reinforced my belief that Ridley Scott is one of the most overrated directors currently working. It also reminded me of why I believe they should either let this franchise die, or learn from their mistakes in Prometheus and go balls out, hardcore science fiction instead of remaking the same, tired alien film over and over again.
The good
The bad
I would have preferred that instead of being discouraged by the bad reviews for Prometheus, that Scott had learned from his mistakes (turning the ending into Halloween X) and had focused on the universe he'd helped create. It's a rich world and he just keeps going back to the same old well of monster movie. Cameron knew this and took it in a different direction.
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I'm way late to this. After watching this movie, I kept thinking "what in the hell is so hard about making a good Alien movie? I hated Prometheus with all of my loverboy soul, yet I thought that the writers would take some of the potential of that movie and expand upon it. Instead, we get the crazy android who plays Dr. Moreau. How about you explain why there is an alien race hell bent on making all these great planets uninhabitable? Actually, don't do that. Let's pretend nothing in Prometheus is canon.
I don't even want to talk about the stupidity of the new captain getting a gun to confront the alien who is on the underside of the ship. Just launch!
And that "surprise" ending. . . I felt so bad for everyone involved that they thought it would surprise anyone.
And Danny McBride was actually my favorite thing about the movie. I liked his character and I liked him in that role.
I don't even want to talk about the stupidity of the new captain getting a gun to confront the alien who is on the underside of the ship. Just launch!
And that "surprise" ending. . . I felt so bad for everyone involved that they thought it would surprise anyone.
And Danny McBride was actually my favorite thing about the movie. I liked his character and I liked him in that role.
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There's a youtube somewhere that picks apart the engineers, and explains/ surmises that despite being long lived they stopped evolving/procreating and at some point after that a mutant was born their Jesus. That's why they seed the planets. They took the mutant DNA and spread it across the cosmos looking for a new mix of their DNA to jumpstart their civilization. At some point after that the engineer we called Jesus got murdered, and the original engineers decided to abandon their project and turn one of their labs into a weapons facility creating the hyper evolving black goo, inadvertently releasing it and killing everone. And weyland leaves earth and tadaa, alien movies
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I still don't understand the goo. It's a planet-killing weapon and from Prometheus I thought the plan was to use that weapon to kill all of these habitable planets. In Covenant the ship drops the liquid on creatures that look exactly like the Engineers. Why?
I have no idea why the Engineers left maps on Earth that showed us how to get to their weapon staging planet.
I have no idea why the Engineers want to destroy all of these prime planets.
Was the point of the weapon to kill these planets or were they developing it for use in a war? If for a war, a war with whom?
There are questions that I would like to see answered as there might just be a cool story around it. But I'll be damned if I'm going to keep watching crappy Alien movies while they slowly give more clues.
I have no idea why the Engineers left maps on Earth that showed us how to get to their weapon staging planet.
I have no idea why the Engineers want to destroy all of these prime planets.
Was the point of the weapon to kill these planets or were they developing it for use in a war? If for a war, a war with whom?
There are questions that I would like to see answered as there might just be a cool story around it. But I'll be damned if I'm going to keep watching crappy Alien movies while they slowly give more clues.
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McNutt wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 11:34 am I still don't understand the goo. It's a planet-killing weapon and from Prometheus I thought the plan was to use that weapon to kill all of these habitable planets. In Covenant the ship drops the liquid on creatures that look exactly like the Engineers. Why?
I have no idea why the Engineers left maps on Earth that showed us how to get to their weapon staging planet.
I have no idea why the Engineers want to destroy all of these prime planets.
Was the point of the weapon to kill these planets or were they developing it for use in a war? If for a war, a war with whom?
There are questions that I would like to see answered as there might just be a cool story around it. But I'll be damned if I'm going to keep watching crappy Alien movies while they slowly give more clues.
- I can't answer. I haven't actually seen Covenant.
- I assumed that people were copying in rudimentary form the navigation charts the engineers were looking at, not specifically a map being left behind but more ancient peoples recording what they saw.
- If there was a war brewing, maybe it was a salted earth campaign to deprive future enemies. Wouldn't rule out religious mania, either. Also possible that they felt the people they fostered were getting to far advanced and needed to be wiped out. Alternate option is that the planets were breeding grounds and the goo creates weapons that can be harvested. It's a mess with no explanation.
- We may never know who they were at war with, maybe a civil war. It's probably hard to get a multitude of planets all on the same page.
I prefer to watch Alien and Aliens and call it a night. I own Alien3 and Resurrection, but don't watch them unless I'm feeling the mood for a series. Mostly I put in Aliens. Mostly.
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This is my biggest complaint about the prequels. We have maps on earth that are thousands of years old. However the planet the maps point to is of no significance except that it was used to store a very powerful and unstable weapon. What was the importance of this planet when the maps were drawn? I can't wrap my head around this.
I thought about that too after Prometheus. However, in a Covenant flashback scene they destroyed a civilization that didn't look very advanced. No evidence of electricity or tall buildings. This species did not look like they'd be a threat to anybody. I mean they could have used a little color, sure. But they weren't a threat. Plus, weren't the ships that the Prometheus found really old? Like they had been there for a thousand years? That just makes the Engineers' plan even more bizarre because it indicates that they intended to destroy these worlds 1,000 years ago. Who would look at Earth in the middle ages and think humanity is too powerful?[*]Also possible that they felt the people they fostered were getting too far advanced and needed to be wiped out.
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This is my biggest complaint about the prequels. We have maps on earth that are thousands of years old. However the planet the maps point to is of no significance except that it was used to store a very powerful and unstable weapon. What was the importance of this planet when the maps were drawn? I can't wrap my head around this.
I thought about that too after Prometheus. However, in a Covenant flashback scene they destroyed a civilization that didn't look very advanced. No evidence of electricity or tall buildings. This species did not look like they'd be a threat to anybody. I mean they could have used a little color, sure. But they weren't a threat. Plus, weren't the ships that the Prometheus found really old? Like they had been there for a thousand years? That just makes the Engineers' plan even more bizarre because it indicates that they intended to destroy these worlds 1,000 years ago. Who would look at Earth in the middle ages and think humanity is too powerful?[*]Also possible that they felt the people they fostered were getting too far advanced and needed to be wiped out.
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