Super Bowl LII

[RunningMn9]

Since we talked about it, this seemed worthwhile to post. Gil Brandt (who I think has been associated with the NFL since it started ) ranked his top offenses of all-time.

1999 St Louis Rams
2007 New England Patriots
2013 Denver Broncos
2011 Green Bay Packers
2016 Atlanta Falcons
1990 Buffalo Bills
1998 Denver Broncos

The outlier on that list (IMO) certainly seems to be the Bills, as they are the only team he lists that didn't crack at least 30 ppg (they only had 26.8 ppg), but I understand where he's coming from with that. And he went with 1990 because that's where it started, rather than 1991, which was a better offense IMO. But for those that were pitching the Falcons as an all-time great offense, Gil Brandt is a wise voice, and he agrees with you.

[stessier]

Reset for the new season. Click to embiggen.

[naednek]

Anyone have a QB the niners can borrow? Kap just opted out, and we are left empty in that position.

[Isgrimnur]

Cognoscenti say Matt Schaub is in your future.

[El Guapo]

Cognoscenti say Matt Schaub is in your future.

Watch out NFC West!

[Jeff V]

We got a sizeable windfall again this year thanks to education expenses and the addition of another standard exemption. Now my wife wants to flush it down the toilet, with that toilet installed in a house she wants to buy.

[Isgrimnur]

We got a sizeable windfall again this year thanks to education expenses and the addition of another standard exemption. Now my wife wants to flush it down the toilet, with that toilet installed in a house she wants to buy.

Is it Kaepernick's house that he just sold?

[Jeff V]

D'oh! I thought I was in the tax thread, not sure how that happened!

More on topic, we have a slightly used Cutler that SF might be interested in? I think we can trade him in exchange for a patch of turf from old Candlestick Park.

[Pyperkub]

Anyone have a QB the niners can borrow? Kap just opted out, and we are left empty in that position.

Gabbert has won more games than Kaep lately. I like the idea of Deschaun Watson if Garrett is gone.

[El Guapo]

Anyone have a QB the niners can borrow? Kap just opted out, and we are left empty in that position.

Gabbert has won more games than Kaep lately. I like the idea of Deschaun Watson if Garrett is gone.

Eh? Eh? Available for the low low price of a first and fourth round pick! ACT NOW! SUPPLIES ARE LIMITED!

[The Meal]

We got a sizeable windfall again this year thanks to education expenses and the addition of another standard exemption. Now my wife wants to flush it down the toilet, with that toilet installed in a house she wants to buy.

[naednek]

We got a sizeable windfall again this year thanks to education expenses and the addition of another standard exemption. Now my wife wants to flush it down the toilet, with that toilet installed in a house she wants to buy.

Bravo

[stessier]

Patriots appear to be playing in FA this year. Reportedly will sign Stephen Gilmore from the Bills for around $14m/year and also traded a 4th round pick to the Colts for Dwayne Allen (TE) and a 6th round pick.

[stessier]

Holy cow -

That's pretty shocking - either they don't think that much of Butler or they are really going for it this year.

[El Guapo]

Butler's a restricted free agent right now, right? Sounds like they can keep him around for another year pretty easily via the (expensive) one year tender they've made (unless another team is willing to give up a first round pick + salary to sign him, which seems unlikely). But if they don't expect to be able to come to terms with him on a longer deal, they may well think it's better to deal him now when they can get something good in return.

Similar to the Chandler Jones logic.

[RunningMn9]

or they are really going for it this year.

Isn't that sort of talk reserved for actions that bad teams take to make the leap, rather than moves that the Super Bowl champion takes to repeat?

Either way - good luck with Gilmore. He's a very good corner, but that price tag is ludicrous.

[stessier]

Butler's a restricted free agent right now, right? Sounds like they can keep him around for another year pretty easily via the (expensive) one year tender they've made (unless another team is willing to give up a first round pick + salary to sign him, which seems unlikely). But if they don't expect to be able to come to terms with him on a longer deal, they may well think it's better to deal him now when they can get something good in return.

Similar to the Chandler Jones logic.

Butler's tender is only $3.9M. Considering the report is they are paying Gilmore $14M, that's pretty cheap.

[stessier]

Either way - good luck with Gilmore. He's a very good corner, but that price tag is ludicrous.

How so? The franchise tag price for a CB is $14.122M. Seems right in line if you think he's one of the top guys.

[RunningMn9]

if you think he's one of the top guys.

You answered your own question.

Edit to add: Like many big FA signings like this one, we can talk about it again in two years when the Pats cut him.

[stessier]

if you think he's one of the top guys.

You answered your own question.

Edit to add: Like many big FA signings like this one, we can talk about it again in two years when the Pats cut him.

Two years???? You think the guy is going to be a Hall of Famer?

[El Guapo]

Butler's a restricted free agent right now, right? Sounds like they can keep him around for another year pretty easily via the (expensive) one year tender they've made (unless another team is willing to give up a first round pick + salary to sign him, which seems unlikely). But if they don't expect to be able to come to terms with him on a longer deal, they may well think it's better to deal him now when they can get something good in return.

Similar to the Chandler Jones logic.

Butler's tender is only $3.9M. Considering the report is they are paying Gilmore $14M, that's pretty cheap.

Yeah, it's cheap (relative to Gilmore and/or the going market rate) for this upcoming year. But after this year I believe he'll be an unrestricted free agent. So if you don't plan on offering him a long-term market value contract that he'll sign for past next year, then you trade him now rather than lose him for nothing after the year.

Basically you're trading one year of Butler at $3.9 million for Cooks (if that's the deal).

After the Gillmore trade, I was reading a lot of commentary from people reading this as a sign that the Patriots weren't going to keep Logan Ryan. But maybe the plan is to trade Butler and keep Ryan (and Gillmore).

[RunningMn9]

Two years???? You think the guy is going to be a Hall of Famer?

Presumably the dead cap number will make cutting after one disappointing season unpalatable.

[stessier]

Butler's a restricted free agent right now, right? Sounds like they can keep him around for another year pretty easily via the (expensive) one year tender they've made (unless another team is willing to give up a first round pick + salary to sign him, which seems unlikely). But if they don't expect to be able to come to terms with him on a longer deal, they may well think it's better to deal him now when they can get something good in return.

Similar to the Chandler Jones logic.

Butler's tender is only $3.9M. Considering the report is they are paying Gilmore $14M, that's pretty cheap.

Yeah, it's cheap (relative to Gilmore and/or the going market rate) for this upcoming year. But after this year I believe he'll be an unrestricted free agent. So if you don't plan on offering him a long-term market value contract that he'll sign for past next year, then you trade him now rather than lose him for nothing after the year.

Basically you're trading one year of Butler at $3.9 million for Cooks (if that's the deal).

After the Gillmore trade, I was reading a lot of commentary from people reading this as a sign that the Patriots weren't going to keep Logan Ryan. But maybe the plan is to trade Butler and keep Ryan (and Gillmore).

I think Ryan is gone - we still have Rowe and Ryan is going to be getting what - $8-10M from someone? No way we are matching that.

I think it was Mike Lombardi who said it is likely the Pats gave Butler their best offer for a long term extension and when he turned it down, they started looking elsewhere. This is the hardest part of being a Pats fan - you never get to really fall in love with the players as there is such a small chance they will be around for very long.

[stessier]

This can't be true -

Adam Schefter‏Verified account
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Stunner: Texans trade Brock Osweiler AND 2018 2nd-rd pick to CLEV for Browns to take Osweiler contract off Houston books, sources tell ESPN.

[stessier]

Actually, it makes sense. All Cleveland gave up was cap space, and they have way too much of that to use it all. They got another pick and can afford to sit Osweiller if they want. Interesting.

[Ralph-Wiggum]

Clearly a sign the Osweiler deal was the worst for Houston. But perhaps this clears up some room for Romo?

[LordMortis]

So if you're Kirk Cousins what do you do? Do you have a way to just say "Fuck it. Thanks for the $22 million, now I'm going to sit my ass down, fuckers." It was kinda bullshit last year. It's looking like extreme bullshit this year.

[El Guapo]

Clearly a sign the Osweiler deal was the worst for Houston. But perhaps this clears up some room for Romo?

Yeah I think this dramatically raises the odds of Romo to Houston. I figure that Houston only does this trade if they expect to be able to get a replacement QB this offseason (Romo, trading for Garrapalo, etc.).

[El Guapo]

So if you're Kirk Cousins what do you do? Do you have a way to just say "Fuck it. Thanks for the $22 million, now I'm going to sit my ass down, fuckers." It was kinda bullshit last year. It's looking like extreme bullshit this year.

Pretty lucrative bullshit, though.

[LordMortis]

So if you're Kirk Cousins what do you do? Do you have a way to just say "Fuck it. Thanks for the $22 million, now I'm going to sit my ass down, fuckers." It was kinda bullshit last year. It's looking like extreme bullshit this year.

Pretty lucrative bullshit, though.

Unless you consider he could literally be signing somewhere for 150 million over six years and have teams lining up for the privilege and once he becomes a their "franchise quarterback" he starts getting his endorsement monies.

Me? I'd take 22 million and find a a way to ride the bench as a fuck you to ownership but that's me.

[stessier]

Holy cow -

Adam Schefter‏Verified account @AdamSchefter 1m1 minute ago
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Patriots are giving former Bills CB Stephon Gilmore a five-year, $65 million deal that includes $40 million guaranteed, per source.

Okay - that is nuts.

[Moliere]

Holy cow -

Adam Schefter‏Verified account @AdamSchefter 1m1 minute ago
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Patriots are giving former Bills CB Stephon Gilmore a five-year, $65 million deal that includes $40 million guaranteed, per source.

Okay - that is nuts.

More proof that Elway is doing a good job as GM.

[RunningMn9]

A couple of things:

1) On Gilmore: I'm a pretty big fan of Gilmore and think that he's very good. He struggled badly at times last year, but I suspect a big part of that was the turmoil at the safety positions. Presumably that will not be a problem in NE. But that's crazy money. That's the kind of money you give Revis in his prime, and Gilmore just isn't *that* good. Relative to the rest of the NFL I'd say he's not Top 10 (yet) but he's not far outside of that.

2) My absolute favorite part of the CLE trade was that 10 minutes after the news of the trade broke, they were already openly wondering if they should just cut him or not. That's the first trade of this sort that I've ever seen in the NFL.

[Xmann]

Osweiler meet Karma.

I had no problem with him not signing with the Broncos to get more money in Houston, but the way he pouted and acted like a jerk because he was replaced by Manning was ridiculous.

I pray he remains with the Browns and suffers the rest of his career there.

[geezer]

So if you're Kirk Cousins what do you do? Do you have a way to just say "Fuck it. Thanks for the $22 million, now I'm going to sit my ass down, fuckers." It was kinda bullshit last year. It's looking like extreme bullshit this year.

Pretty lucrative bullshit, though.

Unless you consider he could literally be signing somewhere for 150 million over six years and have teams lining up for the privilege and once he becomes a their "franchise quarterback" he starts getting his endorsement monies.

Me? I'd take 22 million and find a a way to ride the bench as a fuck you to ownership but that's me.

I'll go one better. I'd take the 22 mil and never set foot on a football field again.

[stessier]

Jimmy Garapolo just posted that he's leaving Boston on instagram. No reports on that yet, though. Gotta love middle of the night trades.

[stessier]

Sources close to Garapolo say they are not aware of a trade and that his account was hacked to set off a storm. The reporters are also mentioning how...um...happy they are that it is 5:30am and now they are all up - which amuses me.

[pr0ner]

Osweiler meet Karma.

I had no problem with him not signing with the Broncos to get more money in Houston, but the way he pouted and acted like a jerk because he was replaced by Manning was ridiculous.

I pray he remains with the Browns and suffers the rest of his career there.

He won't be staying in Cleveland.

Also, the Redskins turmoil is fantastic. Lose Garcon. Lose Jackson. Lose Baker. Cousins has asked for a trade if they won't sign him long term. They fired the GM in a huge bout of drama for alleged drinking (yes, he has drinking problems in the past, but all the stories that came out about him not being at the combine were regarding the passing of his grandmother). What a crock of shit.

[Xmann]

Osweiler meet Karma.

I had no problem with him not signing with the Broncos to get more money in Houston, but the way he pouted and acted like a jerk because he was replaced by Manning was ridiculous.

I pray he remains with the Browns and suffers the rest of his career there.

He won't be staying in Cleveland.

Also, the Redskins turmoil is fantastic. Lose Garcon. Lose Jackson. Lose Baker. Cousins has asked for a trade if they won't sign him long term. They fired the GM in a huge bout of drama for alleged drinking (yes, he has drinking problems in the past, but all the stories that came out about him not being at the combine were regarding the passing of his grandmother). What a crock of shit.

I know he won't be staying. I just hope he's miserable wherever he goes and Cleveland would be so awesome.

[stessier]

People really have to learn to redact documents better.

On the plus side, we get a better insight into how the NFL (mis)uses pain meds.