Super Bowl LII

[Ænima]

Panthers are back, baby!

If only we could play the Dolphins every week!

[Ralph-Wiggum]

The game against New Orleans in Week 13 may be the decider of the division. Of course, I still have no faith in the Panthers to not lose a few games they should win (e.g. at Jets). Still, feels a lot better than last year!

[Carpet_pissr]

Panthers are back, baby!

If only we could play the Dolphins every week!

OK, good point. Still, we looked like the team I haven't seen in a looong time. May it continue, and may the Saints lose their next two (three!) games.

[Remus West]

Panthers are back, baby!

If only we could play the Dolphins every week!

OK, good point. Still, we looked like the team I haven't seen in a looong time. May it continue, and may the Saints lose their next two (three!) games.

Keep in mind how badly the Ravens thumped the Dolphins and that should assist in keeping things in perspective.

[Jeff V]

Because talk about Buffalo does not belong in an NFL playoff thread.

[Semaj]

Because talk about Buffalo does not belong in an NFL playoff thread.

Until they are mathematically eliminated, there is always a chance. Believe you me, the amount of shit I got at the bar when I went: "Why are you guys putting yourselves through this again this year?" Leads me to believe Bills fans assume one day every other team will magically roll over and they somehow make the playoffs because they still have a chance.

[Kelric]

Bills rushing yards in week 10 - 69
Streaker fan rushing yards at Bills game in week 10 - 100

[Jeff V]

Eek, not sure how that got reposted. I was just doing the weekly thread title change.

Doing forum from phone sucks.

[stessier]

Eek, not sure how that got reposted. I was just doing the weekly thread title change.

Doing forum from phone sucks.

You quoted instead of edited. The thread still says Week 10.

[Jeff V]

[stessier]

Long article on Jerry Jones vs. Goodell.

The intro -

THERE WAS A PAUSE. It was Aug. 9, inside Roger Goodell's sixth-floor office at the NFL's Park Avenue headquarters in New York City -- down the hall, past the executives' offices and his assistant's desk, and through a large, thick wooden door that is both imposing and usually left open to serve as a welcome. Goodell huddled over a speakerphone with general counsel Jeff Pash. On the other end was Jerry Jones. Adhering to the protocol of giving owners a 48-hour heads-up before a major disciplinary issue involving their team is announced, Goodell and Pash informed Jones that after a 13-month domestic violence inquiry, the Dallas Cowboys' star running back, Ezekiel Elliott, would face punishment -- a six-game suspension.

The line went quiet. Seconds passed. Goodell's decision was an unconscionable violation of trust, Jones later told associates, because he believed that the commissioner had assured him this past spring that there would be no suspension. Jones saw in Elliott a genuine opportunity, a player so good that he had made Jones believe that this year he just might win a Super Bowl for the first time since 1996. His anger was palpable. Finally, according to sources with direct knowledge of the call, Jones broke the silence. He aimed his words not only at Goodell's decision but also at his role as judge, jury and executioner in the case.

"I'm gonna come after you with everything I have," Jones said. Then he mentioned Deflategate. "If you think Bob Kraft came after you hard, Bob Kraft is a p---y compared to what I'm going to do."

[pr0ner]

Tyrod Taylor was benched for this weekend. He really shouldn't have allowed the Saints 290+ rushing yards. Clearly this will fix that issue.

Shaun King was blasting the Taylor benching on Twitter, saying that the Taylor benching is part of NFL teams' continued mistreatment of black quarterbacks.

[Jaymann]

Roger we hardly knew ye.

[noxiousdog]

Tyrod Taylor was benched for this weekend. He really shouldn't have allowed the Saints 290+ rushing yards. Clearly this will fix that issue.

Shaun King was blasting the Taylor benching on Twitter, saying that the Taylor benching is part of NFL teams' continued mistreatment of black quarterbacks.

This is becoming a thing. While I somewhat understand the reluctance to hire Colin Kaepernick, but how is Robert Griffin III not playing for the Texans?

[pr0ner]

RGIII isn't a good NFL quarterback would be the right answer there.

[RunningMn9]

Tyrod Taylor was benched for this weekend. He really shouldn't have allowed the Saints 290+ rushing yards. Clearly this will fix that issue.

I mean, he didn't make a single tackle the whole game.

Did either of you watch the last two games? There are two clear problems with the Bills right now. The defensive line is getting moved 5 yards off the ball at the snap, on virtually every running down, and Tyrod Taylor has been *horrific* as a QB.

You can't really bench the entire D-Line (although Jerel Worthy lost his job and was cut). You can take a QB that doesn't fit the offensive system at all, and replace him with a rookie who does (at least in theory, based on projected skill set). I personally wouldn't have made this move yet, but it was coming.

Over the past two games, here's your drive charts for the Tyrod Taylor-led offense (removing the garbage time stats):

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3 plays,  9 yards, Punt
5 plays, 31 yards, Punt
8 plays, 62 yards, TD
6 plays, 14 yards, Punt
8 plays, 44 yards, Fumble
3 plays,  1 yard,  Punt
3 plays,  4 yards, Punt
3 plays,  4 yards, Punt
4 plays, 32 yards, Fumble
5 plays,  8 yards, Fumble
4 plays,  7 yards, Downs
9 plays, 57 yards, FG
3 plays,  0 yards, Punt
5 plays, 15 yards, Punt
6 plays, 21 yards, Punt
3 plays,  9 yards, Punt
3 plays, -2 yards, INT
3 plays,  5 yards, Punt
3 plays, -6 yards, Punt

10 points scored in 19 drives. *NINE* three and outs. 12 punts. 5 turnovers.

The organization (outside of Rex Ryan) has never believed in Tyrod, because he has three fundamental flaws:
1) He cannot read the middle of the field and almost never throws there.
2) He does not throw with anticipation/timing.
3) He does not throw receivers open.

Peterman is a rookie, but his skill set fits the design of the offense. Dennison runs the Kubiak system. It's passing game is dependent on timing and rhythm, utilizing 3- and 5-step drops. Those plays have all been eliminated from the offense because Tyrod can't run them. The run blocking scheme has had to be adjusted because Tyrod has to play out of shotgun almost all of the time.

In other words, the Bills are a pretty shitty team, with more problems than just run defense. And it's ok to try to fix more than one of them at a time. Tyrod brought this on himself.

Also - the notion that this move is racist is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

[RunningMn9]

Roger we hardly knew ye.

Part of me wonders how many owners would like to see Jerry Jones neutered more than they'd like to see Goodell out. Most owners haven't had any problems with the Commissioner's Office or their players being suspended for cheating or domestic violence. I presume a lot of owners dislike Jerry Jones (speculating based on the fact that he's a self-important douche).

[noxiousdog]

RGIII isn't a good NFL quarterback would be the right answer there.

He's way better than Tom Savage, TJ Yates, and Josh Johnson.

[noxiousdog]

Also - the notion that this move is racist is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

It's not that this particular move is racist. It's the ongoing issue of white quarterbacks seem to get a lot more chances than black quarterbacks.

Maybe it's just noise, but Bryan Hoyer still has a job (48 TD, 30 int, 7.0 y/a 59.4% completion) and Robert Griffin (42 TD, 26 int, 7.4 y/a, 63% completion) does not.

David Carr (65 TD, 71 INT, 6.4 y/a, 59.7% comp) played 11 seasons. WTF.

edit: Denver is still rolling with Siemian and Osweiler.

[pr0ner]

RGIII isn't a good NFL quarterback would be the right answer there.

He's way better than Tom Savage, TJ Yates, and Josh Johnson.

Way better? I didn't know a fumble prone, sack prone, injury prone QB whose last good season was his only good season and currently doesn't have an NFL job due to massive attitude problems is "way better" than those three.

[RunningMn9]

Way better at what? Playing within the confines of an NFL offense as a passer? I’m not sure about that.


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[Kurth]

Also - the notion that this move is racist is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

It's not that this particular move is racist. It's the ongoing issue of white quarterbacks seem to get a lot more chances than black quarterbacks.

Maybe it's just noise, but Bryan Hoyer still has a job (48 TD, 30 int, 7.0 y/a 59.4% completion) and Robert Griffin (42 TD, 26 int, 7.4 y/a, 63% completion) does not.

David Carr (65 TD, 71 INT, 6.4 y/a, 59.7% comp) played 11 seasons. WTF.

edit: Denver is still rolling with Siemian and Osweiler.

Also, those stats on Griffin have to be misleading because they fold in his golden years in 2012 and 2013. Remember, he was Off. Rookie of the Year in 2012 and made the Pro Bowl in 2013 before a combination of injuries, poor coaching, bad fit and fundamental flaws derailed his career.

Over the next 14 games he played after that, he threw 6 TDs, 9 INTs, was sacked 55 times for -365 yards and fumbled 13 times (losing 5 of them).

NOT way better.

[noxiousdog]

Also - the notion that this move is racist is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

It's not that this particular move is racist. It's the ongoing issue of white quarterbacks seem to get a lot more chances than black quarterbacks.

Maybe it's just noise, but Bryan Hoyer still has a job (48 TD, 30 int, 7.0 y/a 59.4% completion) and Robert Griffin (42 TD, 26 int, 7.4 y/a, 63% completion) does not.

David Carr (65 TD, 71 INT, 6.4 y/a, 59.7% comp) played 11 seasons. WTF.

edit: Denver is still rolling with Siemian and Osweiler.

Also, those stats on Griffin have to be misleading because they fold in his golden years in 2012 and 2013. Remember, he was Off. Rookie of the Year in 2012 and made the Pro Bowl in 2013 before a combination of injuries, poor coaching, bad fit and fundamental flaws derailed his career.

Over the next 14 games he played after that, he threw 6 TDs, 9 INTs, was sacked 55 times for -365 yards and fumbled 13 times (losing 5 of them).

NOT way better.

At least he had a career to derail.

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[noxiousdog]

Also - the notion that this move is racist is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

It's not that this particular move is racist. It's the ongoing issue of white quarterbacks seem to get a lot more chances than black quarterbacks.

Maybe it's just noise, but Bryan Hoyer still has a job (48 TD, 30 int, 7.0 y/a 59.4% completion) and Robert Griffin (42 TD, 26 int, 7.4 y/a, 63% completion) does not.

David Carr (65 TD, 71 INT, 6.4 y/a, 59.7% comp) played 11 seasons. WTF.

edit: Denver is still rolling with Siemian and Osweiler.

Also, those stats on Griffin have to be misleading because they fold in his golden years in 2012 and 2013. Remember, he was Off. Rookie of the Year in 2012 and made the Pro Bowl in 2013 before a combination of injuries, poor coaching, bad fit and fundamental flaws derailed his career.

Over the next 14 games he played after that, he threw 6 TDs, 9 INTs, was sacked 55 times for -365 yards and fumbled 13 times (losing 5 of them).

NOT way better.

At least he had a career to derail.

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Btw, Blaine Gabbert is starting for the Cardinals today.

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[RunningMn9]

I’d start Blaine Gabbert over Kaep or RG3 too. I’m not sure what your point is? How many chances did Josh Freeman get? Five? The league was so racist that it gave how many extra chances to Michael Vick? Culpepper shredded his knee and still got three more chances.

[$iljanus]

KC vs NYG. Do we have a 60 point game? Do I hear 70?

[Ralph-Wiggum]

I’d start Blaine Gabbert over Kaep or RG3 too.

Kap wasn’t setting the world on fire last year, but he was certainly serviceable: 16/4 TD/INT ratio and a 90+ QB rating. He also ran for almost 500 yards and 4 TDs (but fumbled way too much). You don’t think he’d be better than Gabbert who had 5/6 TD/INT ratio last year?

[RunningMn9]

Kaep can only function in a specific kind of offense (which the Cardinals don’t run). It’s the same problem that Tyrod will find himself in this offseason.

Kaep also brings a PR circus. He’s not good enough to be worth it.


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[$iljanus]

Wow just got back to the house and the KC NYG game is certainly not a 60 point game! Go Giants!

[noxiousdog]

I’d start Blaine Gabbert over Kaep or RG3 too. I’m not sure what your point is? How many chances did Josh Freeman get? Five? The league was so racist that it gave how many extra chances to Michael Vick? Culpepper shredded his knee and still got three more chances.

Josh Freeman is a great example. You're telling me he wasn't good enough to be a backup?

How is Gabbert still in the league, but Freeman isn't?

It's either starter or you're done.

[RunningMn9]

Are you serious? That’s what you take from the story of Josh Freeman? Five teams gave him a chance. The idea that he was somehow wronged by the NFL because of his race is ridiculous. He got five chances because he was a former first round pick. He washed out because he wasn’t good enough to play in the NFL and he had off the field issues.

That you think Freeman is example for your position is confusing.


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[noxiousdog]

Are you serious? That’s what you take from the story of Josh Freeman? Five teams gave him a chance. The idea that he was somehow wronged by the NFL because of his race is ridiculous. He got five chances because he was a former first round pick. He washed out because he wasn’t good enough to play in the NFL and he had off the field issues.

That you think Freeman is example for your position is confusing.


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I can't believe you think he's less qualified than Blaine Gabbert.



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[RunningMn9]

I can’t believe you don’t. And that’s not an endorsement of Blaine Gabbert.


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[rshetts2]

And I cant believe youre arguing over the credentials of Blaine Gabbert and Josh Freeman. That's like arguing over whether you want a hot poker in the eye or up the butt!

[stessier]

Back to the matter at hand, I'm sure they are going to blame Taylor for not making any tackles on those 5 INTs in the first half.

[RunningMn9]

Again, I don’t understand why people are incapable of understanding that a team can have more than one glaring issue. This isn’t rocket science.

Tyrod was playing poorly and forced the offense to be too restrictive. The defense blows giant whale dong. Both things are true.

Now a third thing is true: Peterman is a rookie who isn’t close to being ready.


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[RunningMn9]

Watching a team go from 5-2 to this raging dumpster fire is super fun.

The good news is that two months ago I would have lost my mind if the Bills used multiple picks to trade up to get a QB. At this point trade them all if you have to. I can’t watch this horseshit any more.


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[gameoverman]

That last Bears kick was so Bears.

[rshetts2]

And the last Lions kick was so Prater. That guy has won/saved so many games for the Lions. Once again, thank you Denver!

[Remus West]

The Lions are going to get embarrassed by Minnesota Thursday if they can not figure out how to stop the run between now and then. They have been horrible on run defense and this time it was against a rookie QB with no real #1 receiver. How they hope to slow down the Vikings I don't know.