Super Bowl LII

[stessier]

YES!!!! PIT is vanquished!!!

Oh no....Coughlin is withthe Jags now. WHAT HAVE I DONE???

[rshetts2]

I would have gone for that yard. Glad the kick was good.

Their kicker had hit 19 consecutive FGs and was 19/20 on the season. Making that kick pretty much guarantees the win. IMHO there is no way I would have gone for the yard. Not with those kicker stats. The risk/reward greatly favored kicking it. The call that surprised me was the first onside kick. Pitt hasn't made a successful one in a decade (0 - 17, I believe they said ) Of course it was a horrible kick, which makes hind sighting it easy but I felt the risk outweighed the reward. That was really the decision that cost Pitt the game as they gave up the ball with the other team in FG position.

[msteelers]

The call that surprised me was the first onside kick. Pitt hasn't made a successful one in a decade (0 - 17, I believe they said ) Of course it was a horrible kick, which makes hind sighting it easy but I felt the risk outweighed the reward. That was really the decision that cost Pitt the game as they gave up the ball with the other team in FG position.

I think you kick it deep there 9 times out of 10. You have the timeouts and the 2 minute warning. In theory, they could have kicked it out the end zone and then forced a 3-and-out to get the ball back with over a minute left to go. But this defense shouldn't have given anyone confidence that they could have gotten the stop. Certainly Tomlin didn't have any confidence in them, hence the kick.

It would have been a lot easier to defend if the kick didn't suck so much.

[WYBaugh]

Go Jags!

[Jaymann]

Next up: Keenum vs. Foles in the "game manager" bowl.

[stessier]

I would have gone for that yard. Glad the kick was good.

Their kicker had hit 19 consecutive FGs and was 19/20 on the season. Making that kick pretty much guarantees the win. IMHO there is no way I would have gone for the yard. Not with those kicker stats. The risk/reward greatly favored kicking it.

That's not true. They needed less than a yard and if they got it, they won the game (versus pretty much won) as PIT was out of timeouts. The stats on the goal line are something like 45% chance of sucess menas go for it...and I don't think the Jags were stopped in the backfield once in the second half. Missing it also doesn't end the game. I would have trusted the offense to get that yard.

[RunningMn9]

Clearly you folks don’t know Doug Marrone.

Forget the FG, it’s more shocking that he didn’t elect to punt...

The Steelers not kicking a FG with 30 seconds on the clock is one of the worst decisions I’ve ever seen. You need two scores and you must get an onside recovery. You have to maximize your chances by leaving as much time as possible for the second possession.


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[rshetts2]

I would have gone for that yard. Glad the kick was good.

Their kicker had hit 19 consecutive FGs and was 19/20 on the season. Making that kick pretty much guarantees the win. IMHO there is no way I would have gone for the yard. Not with those kicker stats. The risk/reward greatly favored kicking it.

That's not true. They needed less than a yard and if they got it, they won the game (versus pretty much won) as PIT was out of timeouts. The stats on the goal line are something like 45% chance of sucess menas go for it...and I don't think the Jags were stopped in the backfield once in the second half. Missing it also doesn't end the game. I would have trusted the offense to get that yard.

Well that's your opinion and you're welcome to it as you are to disagree with my position as well but saying "that's not true" is bullshit. You think they should take a 45% chance over one that was almost 100%? I find that math pretty telling. And since they made the FG and won the game, I think I'll stick with my position.

[stessier]

Clearly you folks don’t know Doug Marrone.

Forget the FG, it’s more shocking that he didn’t elect to punt...

The Steelers not kicking a FG with 30 seconds on the clock is one of the worst decisions I’ve ever seen. You need two scores and you must get an onside recovery. You have to maximize your chances by leaving as much time as possible for the second possession.

Yeah, he's clearly never played a football video game. Although even Fouts figured it out, so he really should be ashamed.

[stessier]

I would have gone for that yard. Glad the kick was good.

Their kicker had hit 19 consecutive FGs and was 19/20 on the season. Making that kick pretty much guarantees the win. IMHO there is no way I would have gone for the yard. Not with those kicker stats. The risk/reward greatly favored kicking it.

That's not true. They needed less than a yard and if they got it, they won the game (versus pretty much won) as PIT was out of timeouts. The stats on the goal line are something like 45% chance of sucess menas go for it...and I don't think the Jags were stopped in the backfield once in the second half. Missing it also doesn't end the game. I would have trusted the offense to get that yard.

Well that's your opinion and you're welcome to it as you are to disagree with my position as well but saying "that's not true" is bullshit. You think they should take a 45% chance over one that was almost 100%? I find that math pretty telling. And since they made the FG and won the game, I think I'll stick with my position.

I'm saying your analysis of the kick being an almost 100% chance is wrong. You don't evaluate based on all FGs, you evaluate based on similar FGs. He's a career 84.3% kicker for all FGs and a 72.4% career average from 40-49 yards. You only need a play that has a 45% chance of getting 1 yard to make it worth running the play...not that you only have a 45% chance of getting it.

[rshetts2]

I would have gone for that yard. Glad the kick was good.

Their kicker had hit 19 consecutive FGs and was 19/20 on the season. Making that kick pretty much guarantees the win. IMHO there is no way I would have gone for the yard. Not with those kicker stats. The risk/reward greatly favored kicking it.

That's not true. They needed less than a yard and if they got it, they won the game (versus pretty much won) as PIT was out of timeouts. The stats on the goal line are something like 45% chance of sucess menas go for it...and I don't think the Jags were stopped in the backfield once in the second half. Missing it also doesn't end the game. I would have trusted the offense to get that yard.

Well that's your opinion and you're welcome to it as you are to disagree with my position as well but saying "that's not true" is bullshit. You think they should take a 45% chance over one that was almost 100%? I find that math pretty telling. And since they made the FG and won the game, I think I'll stick with my position.

I'm saying your analysis of the kick being an almost 100% chance is wrong. You don't evaluate based on all FGs, you evaluate based on similar FGs. He's a career 84.3% kicker for all FGs and a 72.4% career average from 40-49 yards. You only need a play that has a 45% chance of getting 1 yard to make it worth running the play...not that you only have a 45% chance of getting it.

Ok whatever. I was basing the numbers on this season performance which is valid but even if you go with his career numbers, I'll take 72.4% over 45% any frikkin day.

[stessier]

I would have gone for that yard. Glad the kick was good.

Their kicker had hit 19 consecutive FGs and was 19/20 on the season. Making that kick pretty much guarantees the win. IMHO there is no way I would have gone for the yard. Not with those kicker stats. The risk/reward greatly favored kicking it.

That's not true. They needed less than a yard and if they got it, they won the game (versus pretty much won) as PIT was out of timeouts. The stats on the goal line are something like 45% chance of sucess menas go for it...and I don't think the Jags were stopped in the backfield once in the second half. Missing it also doesn't end the game. I would have trusted the offense to get that yard.

Well that's your opinion and you're welcome to it as you are to disagree with my position as well but saying "that's not true" is bullshit. You think they should take a 45% chance over one that was almost 100%? I find that math pretty telling. And since they made the FG and won the game, I think I'll stick with my position.

I'm saying your analysis of the kick being an almost 100% chance is wrong. You don't evaluate based on all FGs, you evaluate based on similar FGs. He's a career 84.3% kicker for all FGs and a 72.4% career average from 40-49 yards. You only need a play that has a 45% chance of getting 1 yard to make it worth running the play...not that you only have a 45% chance of getting it.

Ok whatever. I was basing the numbers on this season performance which is valid but even if you go with his career numbers, I'll take 72.4% over 45% any frikkin day.

Sigh. You don't get it. Whatever.

[stessier]

Why didn't the Viking run once to get the clock running? The clock management in this game has been abysmal. Entertaining though.

[Jaymann]

Keenum did not manage wisely. Yes he did.

[RunningMn9]

Well, that worked out.


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[Ralph-Wiggum]

Unbelievable. Worst. Prevent. Defense. Ever.

[xenocide]

Unbelievable. Worst. Prevent. Defense. Ever.

Have to disagree, the Vikings prevent was worse. That was lucky/terrible tackle. But the defence was in position to stop them.

Terrible second half by Vikings, offence and defence. I must be dreaming because plays like that don't happen for the Vikings.

[Jaymann]

Meh, it only ranked as the third best moment in Keenum's life.

[Jeff V]

Incredible finish. Does Louisiana still allow lynchings?

[Skinypupy]

Wtf was Marcus Williams thinking? That was awful.

[Jeff V]

I don't get the whole extra point thing. Why was this not a walk off TD? It's not as if anything that can happen with an extra point would change the outcome.

[gameoverman]

Next up: Keenum vs. Foles in the "game manager" bowl.

The Super Bowl might be a Keenum vs Bortles affair, just think about that for a second.

[RunningMn9]

I don't get the whole extra point thing. Why was this not a walk off TD? It's not as if anything that can happen with an extra point would change the outcome.

Them’s the rules. I love that the Saints sent the punter with broken ribs out to play D line on the attempt.

[RunningMn9]

Next up: Keenum vs. Foles in the "game manager" bowl.

The Super Bowl might be a Keenum vs Bortles affair, just think about that for a second.

There is a 0% chance that Blake Bortles defeats the Pats in NE in the AFC Championship.

Also, if anyone saw the Calais Campbell interview he did last week after the Bills game, he totally called winning 45-42. Sort of.


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[Xmann]

Unbelievable. Worst. Prevent. Defense. Ever.

may I present to you, Rahim Moore. 2012 AFC Divisional game. 70 yard bomb.



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[Jeff V]

There is a 0% chance that Blake Bortles defeats the Pats in NE in the AFC Championship.

But the chance that the Jax defense does is much higher.

[Jeff V]

I don't get the whole extra point thing. Why was this not a walk off TD? It's not as if anything that can happen with an extra point would change the outcome.

Them’s the rules. I love that the Saints sent the punter with broken ribs out to play D line on the attempt.

It's idiotic and with all of the other player protection rules being passed, I can't believe this was allowed to stand. The game should be ruled over if there is no chance the outcome could be changed.

[Jaymann]

I don't get the whole extra point thing. Why was this not a walk off TD? It's not as if anything that can happen with an extra point would change the outcome.

Them’s the rules. I love that the Saints sent the punter with broken ribs out to play D line on the attempt.

It's idiotic and with all of the other player protection rules being passed, I can't believe this was allowed to stand. The game should be ruled over if there is no chance the outcome could be changed.

One of the tiebreakers during the regular season is points scored. But in postseason play I agree it makes no sense.

[The Meal]

I immediately went to see what the line was on the over/under to see if that's what all the fuss was about. (It wasn't relevant.)

[Ralph-Wiggum]

In this case it didn’t matter, but the defense can score two points by returning an extra point if the kick is blocked or the snap is fumbled. Unlikely on a kneel down, but you never know.

[gameoverman]

One thing I take away from this weekend's games is that we have seen the emergence of a new bunch of postseason stars. For those who cheer on the perennial favorites, Brady is the only one left. Where are the Aaron Rodgerses, the Drew Breeses, the Ben Roethlisbergerses, the Andy Daltonses? If not for injuries we'd probably have a Wentz or Watson in the mix in these playoffs too. Next year is likely to be all new faces.

[RunningMn9]

It's idiotic and with all of the other player protection rules being passed, I can't believe this was allowed to stand. The game should be ruled over if there is no chance the outcome could be changed.

So should the refs stop calling penalties if the game is out of hand, since the outcome won't be changed? Rules are rules. A TD scored as time expires in any quarter must include an untimed extra point / 2 point try. Those are the rules. There aren't any player safety issues, since the defensive players didn't move a muscle, and Keenum just kneeled the ball down.

[Pyperkub]

What was the spread?

[The Meal]

What was the spread?

O/U was as high as 47 earlier in the week, but finished at 44.5 AFAICT. I didn't pay attention to the actual line.

[Jaymann]

Can you imagine the shit storm if Keenum had run it in for two points?

[Octavious]

One thing I take away from this weekend's games is that we have seen the emergence of a new bunch of postseason stars. For those who cheer on the perennial favorites, Brady is the only one left. Where are the Aaron Rodgerses, the Drew Breeses, the Ben Roethlisbergerses, the Andy Daltonses? If not for injuries we'd probably have a Wentz or Watson in the mix in these playoffs too. Next year is likely to be all new faces.

Well Ben threw for almost 500 yards and 5 tds. Not sure what else he could of done.

[naednek]

man what a boring day of football. Hopefully tomorrow is better

wish came true. Man that vikings game. CRAZY ending

[stessier]

What was the spread?

It started the week between Vikings -5.5 and -5 ( ended at -3.5). That extra point (or lack thereof) was huge.

Edit: Got my dates crossed on the tabs I had opened. It started at 3.5 and went to 5 by Friday and was 5.5 on Sunday.

[Jeff V]

What was the spread?

It started the week between Vikings -5.5 and -5 ( ended at -3.5). That extra point (or lack thereof) was huge.

Edit: Got my dates crossed on the tabs I had opened. It started at 3.5 and went to 5 by Friday and was 5.5 on Sunday.

The league is not supposed to kowtow to Vegas.

[Jeff V]

It's idiotic and with all of the other player protection rules being passed, I can't believe this was allowed to stand. The game should be ruled over if there is no chance the outcome could be changed.

So should the refs stop calling penalties if the game is out of hand, since the outcome won't be changed? Rules are rules. A TD scored as time expires in any quarter must include an untimed extra point / 2 point try. Those are the rules. There aren't any player safety issues, since the defensive players didn't move a muscle, and Keenum just kneeled the ball down.

You are being ridiculous. They can easily make an exception for a TD on the last play of a post season game where the outcome cannot be changed.