[Film] Venom (2018)

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:13 pm

Pretty much out of the blue, Sony has announced it will release a Venom movie on October 5, 2018, possibly directed by Alex Kurtzman.

The news, first reported by ERC Box Office, is very surprising, considering no one has heard a peep about a Venom movie for a long time.
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Last year, news broke that writer Dante Harper was working on a script that would reintroduce the character as the star of his own franchise, unrelated to the new Spider-Man films starring Tom Holland. But that was the last we heard of it.

With this announcement coming only from Sony and not Marvel, it seems likely a standalone take on the character is still the plan. However, with a character whose history is so closely tied to Spider-Man, and a new Spider-Man movie coming out, you have to wonder what exactly is the approach— and who, exactly, will be involved.
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Anyway, it’s incredibly odd for this film to pop onto the release schedule so suddenly. We contacted Sony and it confirmed the date was legitimate. The Hollywood Reporter also added that writers Scott Rosenberg and Jeff Pinkner did the most recent draft of the script (working off of Harper’s work) but that Kurtzman is not attached to direct. We’ll have to wait and see if they’re right or if ERC is.

hentzau · Post by **hentzau** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:34 pm

Yuck. Cant' stand the character.

But, thought the same thing about Deadpool and I enjoyed that movie.

So, color me torn.

IceBear · Post by **IceBear** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:55 pm

Given how Sony suddenly thinks R-rating superhero movie = $$$ I am not surprised that they will try a Venom movie (I'm also going to guess it's going to be a lot more violent and possibly R rated)

Paingod · Post by **Paingod** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:34 pm

Wake me when we get Carnage in his own movie...

gameoverman · Post by **gameoverman** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:52 pm

Maybe because Marvel has helped them resurrect Spiderman, Sony is now feeling inadequate. To compensate they are trying to create a new franchise in order to prove they aren't Fredo to Marvel's Michael.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:25 pm

I hope it's a musical.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:37 pm

I'm not a huge comic book guy, but isn't Venom a villain? Does he have like an antihero turn in the comics?

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:46 pm

If an evil character becomes popular in a comic book, odds are they'll turn him into a hero at some point.

Venom is/was very popular. I could never understand why, myself. But he was big enough that Sony studios forced Raimi to screw up his third Spiderman film by shoehorning the character into the story.

hentzau · Post by **hentzau** » Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:16 pm

hepcat wrote:If an evil character becomes popular in a comic book, odds are they'll turn him into a hero at some point.

Venom is/was very popular. I could never understand why, myself. But he was big enough that Sony studios forced Raimi to screw up his third Spiderman film by shoehorning the character into the story.

QFT. I loved the Sandman stuff in this movie.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:24 pm

hentzau wrote:
hepcat wrote:If an evil character becomes popular in a comic book, odds are they'll turn him into a hero at some point.

Venom is/was very popular. I could never understand why, myself. But he was big enough that Sony studios forced Raimi to screw up his third Spiderman film by shoehorning the character into the story.
QFT. I loved the Sandman stuff in this movie.

I can't remember any redeeming features from this movie, other than unintentional humor. I'm sure that adding Venom didn't help, but I find it hard to believe that there was a good movie hidden in here given that the movie also featured Emo Spider-Man (uh oh, he's got an evil haircut now!).

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Mon Mar 20, 2017 7:30 pm

Raimi takes the blame...kind of.. But it sounds like the studios forced him to add characters he didn't like, so he just didn't put much effort into the film. I consider Darkman and Spider-Man 2 to be two of the best superhero films ever made, so I tend to side with those who believe the studios are to blame.

hentzau · Post by **hentzau** » Mon Mar 20, 2017 8:04 pm

You have to remember, the Eno Spider-Man was because of the symbiotic Venom suit. No suit, no Emo Spider-Man.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:31 pm

hentzau wrote:You have to remember, the Eno Spider-Man was because of the symbiotic Venom suit. No suit, no Emo Spider-Man.

Pretty sure it's possible to include Venom without Emo Spider-Man.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:48 am

Official trailer was released yesterday.

msteelers · Post by **msteelers** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:55 am

I don't have high hopes for this, and that still looked terrible.

Brian · Post by **Brian** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:57 am

And Tom Hardy continues with the running gag that he likes to hide his face.

DD* · Post by DD* » Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:02 pm

How can you have a Venom movie with no Spider-Man? Spidey is pretty much the reason for Venom's existence. And the trailer did not do it for me... guess we'll wait and see.

McNutt · Post by **McNutt** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:23 pm

I am surprised at how bad that looks.

TheMix · Post by **TheMix** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:19 am

I can't decide. I think that if I just toss out everything that I've ever known about Venom and treat it strictly has a sci-fi movie.... Maybe it will be fun action? Just ignore anything to do with super heroes, etc.

I do like Tom Hardy.

AWS260 · Post by **AWS260** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:05 am

McNutt wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:23 pm I am surprised at how bad that looks.

Especially given how many good actors are in it.

I wonder who decided that the best way to show off Venom's powers is "rad motorcycle jump." That person should be fired.

McNutt · Post by **McNutt** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:14 am

It worked for Star Trek.

Oh, wait, it was incredibly dumb there too.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 1:31 pm

The New Mutants movie trailer works for me because it's a drastic departure from the normal superhero film. It's a horror film through and through. Venom would be wise to follow that path, because even with the great Tom Hardy that trailer was kind of weak.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:52 am

Official trailer number two.

The world has enough superheroes. Watch the new #Venom trailer now. 10.5.18. One of Marvel's most enigmatic, complex and badass characters comes to the big screen, starring Academy Award® nominated actor Tom Hardy as the lethal protector Venom.

AWS260 · Post by **AWS260** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:46 am

badass

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:51 pm

How in God’s name did this make 80 million dollars and become the number one film on its opening weekend after almost every review was decidedly negative?

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:52 pm

Cape-washing.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:56 pm

Come clean. How many times did you see it this weekend?

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:57 pm

Zero. Yesterday was school work, today has been Sniper Elite and baseball.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:00 pm

Well, somebody bought 80 million dollars worth of tickets. Daehawk maybe?

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Sun Oct 07, 2018 10:08 pm

I'm more interested in Bad Times at the El Royale, 79% on Rotten vs. 32% for Venom.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Sun Oct 07, 2018 10:35 pm

Yup, I’m definitely in on that one. The previews for it that played before Predator was the only thing I enjoyed about that movie.

stimpy · Post by **stimpy** » Sun Oct 07, 2018 10:45 pm

Saw it today with my Grandson.
We both enjoyed it.
A couple of laughs and they explained the origin story pretty well.
The end credit scene seemed totally tacked on and out of place.

msteelers · Post by **msteelers** » Mon Oct 08, 2018 7:57 am

I didn't get to see it this weekend, but I'm going to be hate-watching this at some point. I just don't like what Sony is doing with their Spider-Villains cinematic universe.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:00 am

I'm going to see it this afternoon, because Tom Hardy.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:40 am

It has an 89% fan score on Rottentomatoes. Critics don't always speak for the masses (clearly).

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:53 am

In my experience the critics score is usually more reflective of what you should really expect if you're not a fanboy. Sure, I like some films with low critics scores and high audience ratings (I'm a fanboy for many things myself), but that number is significantly lower than those I think they got right.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Mon Oct 08, 2018 2:17 pm

In my experience, critics' scores are what you look at if you like to analyze films.

Fans' scores are what you look at if you like to watch films.

One is about technical merit. The other is about entertainment.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Mon Oct 08, 2018 3:59 pm

I was entertained enough by this film to find it enjoyable. Tom Hardy in particular is a delight. Lots of solid humor, particularly in the 2nd half of the film.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Mon Oct 08, 2018 4:53 pm

Blackhawk wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 2:17 pm In my experience, critics' scores are what you look at if you like to analyze films.

Fans' scores are what you look at if you like to watch films.

One is about technical merit. The other is about entertainment.

Fan scores are written by...wait for it...fans. They'll often accept horrible movies with dumb plots and glaring holes because...well...they're fans.

Battlefield Earth has its defenders. I still wouldn't call it entertaining. As I said, I love me some movies that get consistently horrible reviews. But I usually can understand why it got horrible reviews, and I recognize that I want to love it so I overlook those flaws. I'm not a Venom fanboy, so I don't want to shell out money to see a film that has such overwhelmingly bad reviews. If I were a fan, I might.

If you want to see Venom after seeing the reviews though, more power to you. Maybe they'll take the numerous complaints about the story to heart and craft a better sequel that can exist as a good movie on its own merits.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:55 pm

hepcat wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 4:53 pm Battlefield Earth has its defenders.

Yep. 11% vs 89% for Venom. And for what it's worth, I've found that the true fanboys tend to be more critical of films based on existing media than others.

My feelings are still that critics hold films to a different standard than normal people. Very few critics stop analyzing and looking for plot holes long enough to see if the movie is simply fun.