MLB Season 2017!

Lorini · Post by **Lorini** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:54 am

Thanks Puig! It would have been embarrassing for the Dodgers to lose on Jackie Robinson day. And our Manager Roberts shows again he makes decisions to win games not soothe starting pitcher egos as Maeda was pulled after 3 1/2 innings.

Speaking of Jackie Robinson day, imagine the game if only white players played it today. Often discrimination is discussed as a problem for victims of it, but there's a corollary problem for organizations that discriminate, they don't get the best people. They talk about diversity and all but when baseball opened up the league to non white men, they got better players. There are so many black, Asian and Hispanic players that have helped their teams to win games and the sport wouldn't be as good without them. Thanks Dodgers! Thanks Jackie!

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 1:03 pm

Lorini wrote: Thanks Dodgers! Thanks Jackie!

Shoulders of giants. So many amazing players and stories that led to Robinson and Doby.

Octavious · Post by **Octavious** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 1:55 pm

Thankfully the Mets aren't playing the Marlins in the next series. They just can't beat that team.

naednek · Post by **naednek** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:01 am

Last time the Giants were in KC...

Lorini · Post by **Lorini** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:02 pm

I like the inter league play happening all season, makes it interesting. Yeah naednek needs to depend on memories just like me now

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:29 pm

How about Bronson Arroyo?

Dude can still compete even if he has lost a little bit.

The 40-year-old Arroyo (1-2) allowed three runs in five innings, including Adam Jones' two-run homer in the fifth. The victory was Arroyo's first since June 15, 2014, for Arizona against the Dodgers. That was his last appearance before elbow and shoulder injuries knocked him out of action until this month. The longtime Red got his first win with Cincinnati since Sept. 22, 2013.

Post by **ImLawBoy** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:15 am

Arroyo being 40 makes me feel old. Also, being old makes me feel old.

Cubs snapped their 4 game losing streak tonight!

Lorini · Post by **Lorini** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:30 pm

I'm old. In Dodger world, no the pitching's not great but hey offense, you can't expect pitchers to win games if you can't muster more than 1 or 2 runs.

Exodor · Post by **Exodor** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 1:53 pm

naednek wrote:Last time the Giants were in KC...

That sucked but 2015 made up for it.

The game last night was sort of pathetic. Other than Merrifield KC has no offense at all and Mondesi has no business batting in a MLB game. I'm starting to really worry about Gordon and his massive contract - but on the bright side we probably won't have to worry about Hosmer getting a big contract offer from a large-market team this offseason.

It would have been nice to win last night because tonight Bumgarner pitches. With the way our offense is going I expect he'll throw a perfect game.

naednek · Post by **naednek** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:07 pm

Exodor wrote:
naednek wrote:Last time the Giants were in KC...
That sucked but 2015 made up for it.

The game last night was sort of pathetic. Other than Merrifield KC has no offense at all and Mondesi has no business batting in a MLB game. I'm starting to really worry about Gordon and his massive contract - but on the bright side we probably won't have to worry about Hosmer getting a big contract offer from a large-market team this offseason.

It would have been nice to win last night because tonight Bumgarner pitches. With the way our offense is going I expect he'll throw a perfect game.

I don't know, Bumgarner hasn't won a game yet... Although he's pitched pretty well, it's our bullpen and lack of offense that hits us when he pitches.

Lorini · Post by **Lorini** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:26 pm

naednek wrote:
Exodor wrote:
naednek wrote:Last time the Giants were in KC...
That sucked but 2015 made up for it.

The game last night was sort of pathetic. Other than Merrifield KC has no offense at all and Mondesi has no business batting in a MLB game. I'm starting to really worry about Gordon and his massive contract - but on the bright side we probably won't have to worry about Hosmer getting a big contract offer from a large-market team this offseason.

It would have been nice to win last night because tonight Bumgarner pitches. With the way our offense is going I expect he'll throw a perfect game.

I don't know, Bumgarner hasn't won a game yet... Although he's pitched pretty well, it's our bullpen and lack of offense that hits us when he pitches.

Pitchers don't win games just sayin

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:31 pm

Lorini wrote:
naednek wrote:
Exodor wrote:
naednek wrote:Last time the Giants were in KC...
That sucked but 2015 made up for it.

The game last night was sort of pathetic. Other than Merrifield KC has no offense at all and Mondesi has no business batting in a MLB game. I'm starting to really worry about Gordon and his massive contract - but on the bright side we probably won't have to worry about Hosmer getting a big contract offer from a large-market team this offseason.

It would have been nice to win last night because tonight Bumgarner pitches. With the way our offense is going I expect he'll throw a perfect game.

I don't know, Bumgarner hasn't won a game yet... Although he's pitched pretty well, it's our bullpen and lack of offense that hits us when he pitches.
Pitchers don't win games just sayin

In the National League they do.

Lorini · Post by **Lorini** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:49 pm

Nope, TEAMS win games.

naednek · Post by **naednek** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:07 pm

Lorini wrote:
naednek wrote:
Exodor wrote:
naednek wrote:Last time the Giants were in KC...
That sucked but 2015 made up for it.

The game last night was sort of pathetic. Other than Merrifield KC has no offense at all and Mondesi has no business batting in a MLB game. I'm starting to really worry about Gordon and his massive contract - but on the bright side we probably won't have to worry about Hosmer getting a big contract offer from a large-market team this offseason.

It would have been nice to win last night because tonight Bumgarner pitches. With the way our offense is going I expect he'll throw a perfect game.

I don't know, Bumgarner hasn't won a game yet... Although he's pitched pretty well, it's our bullpen and lack of offense that hits us when he pitches.
Pitchers don't win games just sayin

Told ya

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Exodor · Post by **Exodor** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:10 pm

naednek wrote:Told ya

Not the game I expected them to win in that series but I'll take it.

4 teams in the AL Central are now tied for second at 7-7.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:16 am

Pretty cool - both what the father does and Rizzo's contribution.

Lorini · Post by **Lorini** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:35 am

Tyler Anderson, the pitcher last night for the Rockies really pissed Kershaw off. They couldn't/wouldn't start the game until he moseyed his way to his dugout Which meant the game started after the normal 7:10 start time which annoyed Kershaw. So much that Kershaw had a really bad (for him) first inning. Walked a guy, got bases loaded, everything. I thought he was injured, but it turned out he was simply irritated and pitched a Kershaw game after that inning.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:38 pm

Lorini wrote:Tyler Anderson, the pitcher last night for the Rockies really pissed Kershaw off. They couldn't/wouldn't start the game until he moseyed his way to his dugout Which meant the game started after the normal 7:10 start time which annoyed Kershaw. So much that Kershaw had a really bad (for him) first inning. Walked a guy, got bases loaded, everything. I thought he was injured, but it turned out he was simply irritated and pitched a Kershaw game after that inning.

Going to hazard a guess that opposing pitchers in the future aren't going to rush to their dugouts when they're up against Kershaw.

naednek · Post by **naednek** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:29 pm

what a baby

Lorini · Post by **Lorini** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:35 pm

El Guapo wrote:
Lorini wrote:Tyler Anderson, the pitcher last night for the Rockies really pissed Kershaw off. They couldn't/wouldn't start the game until he moseyed his way to his dugout Which meant the game started after the normal 7:10 start time which annoyed Kershaw. So much that Kershaw had a really bad (for him) first inning. Walked a guy, got bases loaded, everything. I thought he was injured, but it turned out he was simply irritated and pitched a Kershaw game after that inning.
Going to hazard a guess that opposing pitchers in the future aren't going to rush to their dugouts when they're up against Kershaw.

Technically they are violating the rules.

Lorini · Post by **Lorini** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:36 pm

naednek wrote:what a baby

I think all baseball players have their peculiarities, I once read about one player who took literally half an hour to get dressed because he had to have everything just so or else his game would be off.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 3:44 pm

Thanks, Angels!

https://twitter.com/RangerBlake/status/ ... 3569710080

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 4:58 pm

naednek wrote:what a baby

Like Bumgarner needing to go on the DL after riding his dirt bike, right?

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:09 pm

pr0ner wrote:
naednek wrote:what a baby
Like Bumgarner needing to go on the DL after riding his dirt bike, right?

Yeah, dirt bike.

naednek · Post by **naednek** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:25 pm

That's not being a baby, that's being like Jeff Kent

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Lorini · Post by **Lorini** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 6:56 pm

naednek wrote:That's not being a baby, that's being like Jeff Kent

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At least our ace is smart, just sayin'

Lorini · Post by **Lorini** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 12:57 am

And then the bullpen goes to shit. They've given up eight runs in the bottom of the 8th and still haven't gotten out of the inning. And the offense scored five whole runs!! Geezus

Lorini · Post by **Lorini** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 9:18 am

Dunno maybe Cueto giving up an inside the park home run PLUS a grand slam IN THE SAME INNING makes up for all this

Xmann · Post by **Xmann** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 11:33 am

Still reserving excitement about the Rockies start.

They have two rookies in the starting rotation and none of the others, besides maybe John Grey, excite me. I'm not convinced this will continue to last. It's a recipe for the bullpen to be over worked by July.

On the positive side, their offense has been mediocre thus far and they are winning.

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Lorini · Post by **Lorini** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 11:34 am

Perfect article on why I hate pitcher wins. Sale pitched out of his mind but doesn't get the 'win'?? WTF???

Lorini · Post by **Lorini** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 11:35 am

Xmann wrote:Still reserving excitement about the Rockies start.

They have two rookies in the starting rotation and none of the others, besides maybe John Grey, excite me. I'm not convinced this will continue to last. It's a recipe for the bullpen to be over worked by July.

On the positive side, their offense has been mediocre thus far and they are winning.

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The Dodger radio guys were talking about Coors field and it's reputation. Turns out it's fifth in the league in home runs hit, who knew?? (Safeco is first).

Pyperkub · Post by **Pyperkub** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 2:58 pm

Lorini wrote:
Xmann wrote:Still reserving excitement about the Rockies start.

They have two rookies in the starting rotation and none of the others, besides maybe John Grey, excite me. I'm not convinced this will continue to last. It's a recipe for the bullpen to be over worked by July.

On the positive side, their offense has been mediocre thus far and they are winning.

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The Dodger radio guys were talking about Coors field and it's reputation. Turns out it's fifth in the league in home runs hit, who knew?? (Safeco is first).

The humidor storage of the balls really changed the dynamics of Coors field.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 6:35 pm

Lorini wrote:Perfect article on why I hate pitcher wins. Sale pitched out of his mind but doesn't get the 'win'?? WTF???

Is there anyone who still puts credence in the wins stat? I mean, it can be fun...sort of like the triple double...but it really is for entertainmenf purposes only.

Pyperkub · Post by **Pyperkub** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 7:11 pm

stessier wrote:
Lorini wrote:Perfect article on why I hate pitcher wins. Sale pitched out of his mind but doesn't get the 'win'?? WTF???
Is there anyone who still puts credence in the wins stat? I mean, it can be fun...sort of like the triple double...but it really is for entertainmenf purposes only.

Over time it does tend to be a better measurement.

Xmann · Post by **Xmann** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 8:42 pm

Pyperkub wrote:
Lorini wrote:
Xmann wrote:Still reserving excitement about the Rockies start.

They have two rookies in the starting rotation and none of the others, besides maybe John Grey, excite me. I'm not convinced this will continue to last. It's a recipe for the bullpen to be over worked by July.

On the positive side, their offense has been mediocre thus far and they are winning.

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The Dodger radio guys were talking about Coors field and it's reputation. Turns out it's fifth in the league in home runs hit, who knew?? (Safeco is first).
The humidor storage of the balls really changed the dynamics of Coors field.

Coors Field is still an awesome hitting park, but primarily because the outfield is so spacious.

The humidor definitely made a difference and it's not the homerun derby that most assume it is.

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Lorini · Post by **Lorini** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 9:24 pm

Pyperkub wrote:
stessier wrote:
Lorini wrote:Perfect article on why I hate pitcher wins. Sale pitched out of his mind but doesn't get the 'win'?? WTF???
Is there anyone who still puts credence in the wins stat? I mean, it can be fun...sort of like the triple double...but it really is for entertainmenf purposes only.
Over time it does tend to be a better measurement.

Naw.

Octavious · Post by **Octavious** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 11:15 pm

Mets stink this year. If they resign Collins I'm not watching anymore. His contract is ending this year and he's terrible + he's like 900 years old. And the training staff needs to be knifed. No other team has some many mystery injures. Well aside from the dirt bikes.

Lorini · Post by **Lorini** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:28 am

The only good thing about this month is that the Giants are worse than we are. Most times we have no offense. When we get offense we have no pitching. Yesterday we only gave up 11 runs instead of 13. Woooooo

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 10:15 am

Lorini wrote:
Pyperkub wrote:
stessier wrote:
Lorini wrote:Perfect article on why I hate pitcher wins. Sale pitched out of his mind but doesn't get the 'win'?? WTF???
Is there anyone who still puts credence in the wins stat? I mean, it can be fun...sort of like the triple double...but it really is for entertainmenf purposes only.
Over time it does tend to be a better measurement.
Naw.

Ok, why not? You only ever complain about it on here on a game by game basis, not over longer periods of time.

Exodor · Post by **Exodor** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 11:30 am

pr0ner wrote:
Lorini wrote:
Pyperkub wrote: Over time it does tend to be a better measurement.
Naw.
Ok, why not? You only ever complain about it on here on a game by game basis, not over longer periods of time.

Start here.

it’s long past time for fans, analysts, baseball people — anyone having anything to do with the game — to stop paying attention to pitcher wins and losses. Doing so would enhance our understanding of the sport and lead to better decisions by both organizations and those charged with handing out hardware.

The idea that we should assign wins and losses to individual players is an absurdity unique to baseball. This is, of course, a team sport, and given the determinative roles the offense and bullpen play in the matter of which team wins and which team loses, it’s inexplicable that we assign glory or blame to an individual pitcher.

As we all know, a starting pitcher gets a win for working at least five innings and giving his team a lead that’s never relinquished. Sounds harmless enough, but in practice a pitcher can — by any reasonable standard — stink up the joint and still get a shiny "W" next to his name.

By the same token, a pitcher can "lose" a game in which he was utterly dominant. The defense can let him down, or the bullpen can fritter away his lead, or he can get no run support. If he’s especially fortunate on such days, he’ll escape with a no-decision despite giving his team ample chance to win. In fact, you can throw a no-hitter and still be slapped with a loss; you can retire the first 36(!) batters you face, give up one unearned run in 12.2 innings and still somehow "lose"; and you can win an ERA title while going 8-16.

Let us only briefly wander into the thicket of idiocy that are the rules governing reliever wins and losses. Some variation of the following happens all the time: Closer blows save at home, offense pushes a run across in the bottom half, closer gets win. If starting pitcher wins and losses are mostly useless, then reliever wins and losses are actively harmful.