NCAA Football 2017 season

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:45 pm

Scuzz wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:41 pm If Alabama gets in (due to a Oklahoma or Wisconsin loss) it only strengthens the argument for an 8 team playoff and that the committee has it for Alabama.

Also strengthening that argument IMO is the fact that there is a whole spectacle/ ESPN full day show on the the whole "Who's In?!?" dilemma as it plays out. In a more perfect situation, there wouldn't have to be so much speculation and BS. Hell, maybe they did it this way FOR the spectacle and the drama. Who knows, I've become so damn cynical these past several months, I will believe any shitty reason.

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:41 am

And the new coach for ASU is...Herm Edwards. Wait, what?

A guy who hasn't coached in10 years and who only coached at the college level for a few years back in the late 80's? Yeah, I can see that experiment ending well.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:01 am

Carpet_pissr wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:45 pm
Scuzz wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:41 pm If Alabama gets in (due to a Oklahoma or Wisconsin loss) it only strengthens the argument for an 8 team playoff and that the committee has it for Alabama.
Also strengthening that argument IMO is the fact that there is a whole spectacle/ ESPN full day show on the the whole "Who's In?!?" dilemma as it plays out. In a more perfect situation, there wouldn't have to be so much speculation and BS. Hell, maybe they did it this way FOR the spectacle and the drama. Who knows, I've become so damn cynical these past several months, I will believe any shitty reason.

The NCAA basketball tournament has an entire day of hoopla (see what I did there) around the start of their playoffs. Why should football have less?

rshetts2 · Post by **rshetts2** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:13 am

Remus West wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:01 am
Carpet_pissr wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:45 pm
Scuzz wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:41 pm If Alabama gets in (due to a Oklahoma or Wisconsin loss) it only strengthens the argument for an 8 team playoff and that the committee has it for Alabama.
Also strengthening that argument IMO is the fact that there is a whole spectacle/ ESPN full day show on the the whole "Who's In?!?" dilemma as it plays out. In a more perfect situation, there wouldn't have to be so much speculation and BS. Hell, maybe they did it this way FOR the spectacle and the drama. Who knows, I've become so damn cynical these past several months, I will believe any shitty reason.
The NCAA basketball tournament has an entire day of hoopla (see what I did there) around the start of their playoffs. Why should football have less?

Perhaps because they actually do have less. Like 64 less.

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:29 am

I think basketball has a lot of hoopla about seeding, and they do talk about the ones that didn't get in, but that is less of an argument then what seed that they were placed in.

I guess I would like them to expand football to 8, just to make it so some of these smaller conferences would have a chance of sending a team to the playoffs. Currently, even if you are perfect but from a smaller conference, there is little chance of you getting in.

The Meal · Post by **The Meal** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:27 am

Carpet_pissr wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:45 pm
Scuzz wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:41 pm If Alabama gets in (due to a Oklahoma or Wisconsin loss) it only strengthens the argument for an 8 team playoff and that the committee has it for Alabama.
Also strengthening that argument IMO is the fact that there is a whole spectacle/ ESPN full day show on the the whole "Who's In?!?" dilemma as it plays out. In a more perfect situation, there wouldn't have to be so much speculation and BS. Hell, maybe they did it this way FOR the spectacle and the drama. Who knows, I've become so damn cynical these past several months, I will believe any shitty reason.

The spectacle and the drama are negatives?!? Not from ESPN's (or any sports media) perspective. And to be honest, I'm sort of into sports for spectacle and drama. YMMV (and clearly does). Fortunately for you, there's no A Clockwork Orange type of forced consumption of entertainment media you don't enjoy.

Recall that there were times in the old system where the spectacle and drama regarding national champs played out in the days after the bowl games were all wrapped up (see: msduncan's signature). At least the athletic endeavors now settle the question of who's champ.

I'm all for 8 teams in the BCS playoffs. But I don't have a dog in the hunt, and just sort of enjoy watching the good college teams play each other as a fan of the process. I couldn't stand the previous non-playoff system, so guys who latch onto the history of the thing tend to disagree with my perspective.

Scuzz · Post by **Scuzz** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:48 pm

As a Fresno State fan I have no dog in the NC hunt. I just think that since each of the Big 5 conferences schedules different, has different membership and each creates it's own champion that those champions should by default get into the playoffs. With an 8 team playoff that leaves room for exceptional teams who don't win a Big 5 Conference title.

Whether that be a Boise State or UCF, or a one loss conference runner up, or an independent.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:54 pm

Let me clarify: When the spectacle and drama is created by what will come out of the smoke of a backroom decision (obviously exaggerating for emphasis), as opposed to athletic talent (via wins), I think there is a lot of room for improvement (and of course it IS better than previously...much less smoke, as it were)

When they make an entire marketing slogan around "Who's In?!" simply because it's up to a bunch of dudes' fickle brains as opposed to a more objective system, I wish for a better system, that IS possible. It's just not in place for whatever reason in NCAA football.

Scuzz · Post by **Scuzz** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:31 pm

NCAA football playoffs, unlike NCAA basketball, has been held back by the tremendous amount of money that is the traditional holiday bowl games.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:20 pm

Your crazy land NCAA Football news roundup for Friday, December 1:

Jimbo Fisher has resigned, effective immediately, from FSU, to become Texas A&M's next football coach.

Ole Miss got another year tacked onto its self-imposed bowl ban, along with three years of probation, a bunch of show-cause orders, and a two conference game suspension for former coach Huge Freeze.

Tennessee AD John Currie was fired as a result of the ongoing drama in the Volunteers' head coaching search. Currie was trying to get Mike Leach to leave Washington State to come to Tennessee. Scuttlebutt is that Phil Fullmer wants to be AD and is using the coaching debacle as a way to get Currie out the door so he can become AD and pick Tennessee's new coach.

noxiousdog · Post by **noxiousdog** » Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:00 pm

pr0ner wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:20 pm Your crazy land NCAA Football news roundup for Friday, December 1:

Jimbo Fisher has resigned, effective immediately, from FSU, to become Texas A&M's next football coach.

Wow. I'm shocked. SHOCKED.

I guess he really wanted back in the SEC.

Pyperkub · Post by **Pyperkub** » Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:02 pm

pr0ner wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:20 pm Your crazy land NCAA Football news roundup for Friday, December 1:

Jimbo Fisher has resigned, effective immediately, from FSU, to become Texas A&M's next football coach.

Ole Miss got another year tacked onto its self-imposed bowl ban, along with three years of probation, a bunch of show-cause orders, and a two conference game suspension for former coach Huge Freeze.

Tennessee AD John Currie was fired as a result of the ongoing drama in the Volunteers' head coaching search. Currie was trying to get Mike Leach to leave Washington State to come to Tennessee. Scuttlebutt is that Phil Fullmer wants to be AD and is using the coaching debacle as a way to get Currie out the door so he can become AD and pick Tennessee's new coach.

Fulmer named Tennessee AD

Hopefully this brings back the Fulmer Cup on EDSBS!

Scuzz · Post by **Scuzz** » Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:06 pm

Pyperkub wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:02 pm
pr0ner wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:20 pm Your crazy land NCAA Football news roundup for Friday, December 1:

Jimbo Fisher has resigned, effective immediately, from FSU, to become Texas A&M's next football coach.

Ole Miss got another year tacked onto its self-imposed bowl ban, along with three years of probation, a bunch of show-cause orders, and a two conference game suspension for former coach Huge Freeze.

Tennessee AD John Currie was fired as a result of the ongoing drama in the Volunteers' head coaching search. Currie was trying to get Mike Leach to leave Washington State to come to Tennessee. Scuttlebutt is that Phil Fullmer wants to be AD and is using the coaching debacle as a way to get Currie out the door so he can become AD and pick Tennessee's new coach.
Fulmer named Tennessee AD

Hopefully this brings back the Fulmer Cup on EDSBS!

Was that the contest to see who had more players arrested or something like that?

Pyperkub · Post by **Pyperkub** » Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:07 pm

Scuzz wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:06 pm
Pyperkub wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:02 pm
pr0ner wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:20 pm Your crazy land NCAA Football news roundup for Friday, December 1:

Jimbo Fisher has resigned, effective immediately, from FSU, to become Texas A&M's next football coach.

Ole Miss got another year tacked onto its self-imposed bowl ban, along with three years of probation, a bunch of show-cause orders, and a two conference game suspension for former coach Huge Freeze.

Tennessee AD John Currie was fired as a result of the ongoing drama in the Volunteers' head coaching search. Currie was trying to get Mike Leach to leave Washington State to come to Tennessee. Scuttlebutt is that Phil Fullmer wants to be AD and is using the coaching debacle as a way to get Currie out the door so he can become AD and pick Tennessee's new coach.
Fulmer named Tennessee AD

Hopefully this brings back the Fulmer Cup on EDSBS!
Was that the contest to see who had more players arrested or something like that?

Yup

Lorini · Post by **Lorini** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:17 am

Does USC deserve to be in the discussion? I'm a hardball USC/UCLA fan so you guys discuss

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rshetts2 · Post by **rshetts2** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:03 pm

Its simply not going to happen for USC. No matter what happens in the other championship games, there is no path through for them. In the SEC, you have Auburn and Georgia, whomever wins is in. The ACC is also a whoever wins is in game. That's 2 slots gone no matter what. In the BIg Ten, Wisconsin is a lock if they win and if OSU wins, theres no way USC passes them and Alabama both. And in the BIg 12, Oklahoma wins and they are in. If TCU wins, there's no way USC jumps Alabama or most of any of the other teams that could lose their championships. Unfortunately for USC, Alabama is the fly in the ointment in almost every scenario for USC. USC is toast.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:15 pm

So you're saying there's still a chance for them?

Chrisoc13 · Post by **Chrisoc13** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:40 pm

USC lost its chance when they were blown out by notre dame. In an eight team playoff they would be in

Pyperkub · Post by **Pyperkub** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 3:32 pm

Chrisoc13 wrote:USC lost its chance when they were blown out by notre dame. In an eight team playoff they would be in

Bingo. The loss to wazzu was OK, but adding the blowout loss and their best win is Stanford kills them.

If you are going to have two losses, you're going to need some big wins, and USC doesn't have those.

Lorini · Post by **Lorini** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 3:58 pm

Well then I'll look forward to watching USC on New Years day (not at the Rose Bowl I understand that).

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 4:23 pm

Lorini wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 3:58 pm Well then I'll look forward to watching USC on New Years day (not at the Rose Bowl I understand that).

I doubt you'll be watching USC on New Years Day.

December 30 in the Fiesta Bowl is where USC is most likely playing.

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 6:36 pm

I really thought TCU would put up more of a fight than that. Team Chaos is now 0-1 for today.

Oh, and that UCF-Memphis game was fantastic.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:24 pm

Looks like Auburn were paper Tigers...

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:33 pm

Team Chaos: 0-2. That was a dominating Georgia win.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:57 pm

Ohio State is doing their best for team chaos. This is how Alabama gets in.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:40 am

Clemson just locked up the #1 seed with a dominant performance against Miami.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:58 am

Jaymann wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:24 pm Looks like Auburn were paper Tigers...

Get them away from home and they resort to their normal mediocre self.

msduncan · Post by **msduncan** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:58 am

Seriously though -- 35 point loss just three weeks ago to an unranked team. I know you guys have Bama fatigue but I'm not sure how you can justify putting in a 2 loss team with a RECENT loss like that in ahead of Bama.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:59 am

Well, Alabama should be in with the OSU win but with humans involved on the committee I'm not sure.

Lorini · Post by **Lorini** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:30 am

Would the recent matter so much? Unless you mean recent as in championship game or something similar? I don't know much about this, so these are questions.

Yeah too bad for the Badgers, I didn't watch the second half but OSU just tore up their defense in the first half.

Kurth · Post by **Kurth** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:36 am

Sorry Miami. That was a freaking massacre. My Dad (a Hurricane alumn) is not happy. Not one bit.

Post by **ImLawBoy** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:19 am

msduncan wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:58 am Seriously though -- 35 point loss just three weeks ago to an unranked team. I know you guys have Bama fatigue but I'm not sure how you can justify putting in a 2 loss team with a RECENT loss like that in ahead of Bama.

Lassr wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:59 am Well, Alabama should be in with the OSU win but with humans involved on the committee I'm not sure.

I'll just re-post what I said earlier.

ImLawBoy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:30 pm The argument for OSU is that they will have beaten two top ten teams (Penn State and Wisconsin), an absolute pummeling of another top 25 team (48-3 over Michigan State), and are a conference champion (and conference championships are something that the committee is supposed to take into account). The argument against OSU is losing big at home to Oklahoma and getting crushed at mediocre Iowa.

The argument for Alabama is only one loss to a strong (albeit 2-loss) Auburn team on the road. The argument against Alabama is lack of signature wins and no conference championship.

I don't think either team has a particularly strong playoff resume.

Auburn losing bad today does not help the Alabama case. They only have one loss, but it's to an uninspiring slate. I'm not impressed by OSU, either.

This should be an argument against an 8 team playoff. We don't even have four worthy teams this year.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:24 am

Just to tweak your argument a little, ImLawBoy, Ohio State beat two teams who'll finish top 10, but were top 4 when Ohio State played them.

Also, we wouldn't even be talking about Alabama for the playoff if they hadn't squeaked one out against Mississippi State.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:25 am

msduncan wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:58 am Seriously though -- 35 point loss just three weeks ago to an unranked team. I know you guys have Bama fatigue but I'm not sure how you can justify putting in a 2 loss team with a RECENT loss like that in ahead of Bama.

A) Ohio State won their conference.

B) Alabama's loss is *more* recent.

Chrisoc13 · Post by **Chrisoc13** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:47 am

I would give the nod to Ohio State.

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:30 am

My over rated OSU team might sneak into the playoffs.... Wow...

PLW · Post by **PLW** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:28 am

Let's just give Clemson a BYE.

rshetts2 · Post by **rshetts2** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:59 am

I think another issue the committee faces, one that plays against Alabama, is that if they snub OSU, then they will shut both the Big Ten and PAC champions, and thus two of the Power 5 conferences, completely out of the playoffs. OSU has the marquis wins that Alabama does not, as well as the conference championship. I think Bama is going to be left out. On the plus side, this supports a stronger argument for expanding the playoffs to 8 teams.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:06 pm

I'm really hoping it's OSU.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's Alabama but it would set a really bad precedent.

rshetts2 · Post by **rshetts2** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:23 pm

pr0ner wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:06 pm I'm really hoping it's OSU.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's Alabama but it would set a really bad precedent.

The funny thing is that this precedent was already established when OSU got in last season. They then got thumped 31-0 by Clemson. That could play against both teams. They could say, lets not put another also ran in, look what happened last time we did! Or they could say, we don't trust OSU after last year. They certainly have an interesting decision ahead of them.