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Clearly we are living in a simulation.
This is what happens when you don't initialize your variables.
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EDIT: What are the odds?

Well, if you figure that pro football is only played 20 some weeks of the year (counting playoff), that a final score of 23-21 is statistically on the more common side (than, say, 19-8) and that there are only 50 yards that the injurry could have happened on, the odds are probably not as long as some people think. It's still eerie but not like lottery winning rare or anything.
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Post by Isgrimnur » Mon Nov 19, 2018 12:58 pm

And a 3/7 chance that the same day is a football day. Theismann was on MNF, after all.

And let's say a 1/10 chance that we're near one of the 40-yard lines.
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The Redskins sign Mr. Buttfumble himself, Mark Sanchez, to backup Colt McCoy for the rest of the season.
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Tonight's game will be last team with the ball wins. Someone is gonna hit 60 pts too.
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Tonight's game will be last team with the ball wins. Someone is gonna hit 60 pts too.
Wrong on both counts. (well, kinda)

However..... My oh My - that was a GAME!

Never before in NFL History has a team scored over 50 points and still lost the game.

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Tonight's game will be last team with the ball wins. Someone is gonna hit 60 pts too.
I knew without looking that this was going to be a KC game.

And in Texas Tech parlance, it's "First one to 70, wins.'
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I can't decide if I like arena football or not.
It's funny, because we're in the offensive explosion across levels of football, and my two teams (University of Michigan and Chicago Bears) are having success by being defensive minded. Growing up a Bears fan, I've always loved defense (Did you know the '85 Bears defense is the best ever? A lot of my fellow Chicagoans have failed to make that well known.), and the best season of my Michigan fandom came in 1997 - the year Charles Woodson won the Heisman as a predominantly defense player. I still enjoy a great defensive game.

That said, if my teams were offensive juggernauts, I might change my tune.
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I can't decide if I like arena football or not.
It's funny, because we're in the offensive explosion across levels of football, and my two teams (University of Michigan and Chicago Bears) are having success by being defensive minded. Growing up a Bears fan, I've always loved defense (Did you know the '85 Bears defense is the best ever? A lot of my fellow Chicagoans have failed to make that well known.), and the best season of my Michigan fandom came in 1997 - the year Charles Woodson won the Heisman as a predominantly defense player. I still enjoy a great defensive game.

That said, if my teams were offensive juggernauts, I might change my tune.
For my team bad defense frustrates me WAY more than bad offense. But I've adopted KC as a second team, and it's really fun watching Mahomes. I don't get nearly as mad about their bad defense as Texans bad defense.

I think it might get old though the same way nobody watches the NBA until the last 5 minutes.
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Post by Lorini » Tue Nov 20, 2018 12:29 pm

But both teams lost two fumbles by their QB and both teams scored on those fumbles. The first INT by KC in the fourth quarter was caused because the QB was hit. So even though we don't think of defense as offense, in this game it absolutely was. Without those defensive plays, the Rams don't win.
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But both teams lost two fumbles by their QB and both teams scored on those fumbles. The first INT by KC in the fourth quarter was caused because the QB was hit. So even though we don't think of defense as offense, in this game it absolutely was. Without those defensive plays, the Rams don't win.
Are you arguing that there was a significant amount of defense because there were 6 turnovers?
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Post by ImLawBoy » Tue Nov 20, 2018 2:09 pm

There may have been some individually good defensive plays, but it was obviously dominated by both offenses. Someone who prefers defense first would not be swayed into thinking this was a good game because the defenses didn't suck for a few plays.
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Post by Ralph-Wiggum » Tue Nov 20, 2018 2:13 pm

There was good defensive line play for both teams, but their secondaries were abysmal. The Chiefs' DBs were so bad that the Rams barely even bothered to run the ball despite having a top 3 RB.

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Ralph-Wiggum wrote:
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There was good defensive line play for both teams, but their secondaries were abysmal. The Chiefs' DBs were so bad that the Rams barely even bothered to run the ball despite having a top 3 RB.
They barely used Guerley at all. He had his worst statistical game of the season.
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Post by gameoverman » Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:49 pm

If I was a conspiracy theorist I'd say the reason the owners have passed rules to the detriment of the league's defenses is so that games like this, 'exciting' games, are the result. This will rekindle fan interest and counter the negative PR effects of protesting and concussions, and whatever else.

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I don't think that's a conspiracy theory. I don't think anyone denies that they've tweaked the rules to increase offense.
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There was good defensive line play for both teams, but their secondaries were abysmal. The Chiefs' DBs were so bad that the Rams barely even bothered to run the ball despite having a top 3 RB.
Yeah. There is more to defense than defensive backs. There were also five sacks by KC and 3 sacks by the Rams. As we all know when one part of the defense breaks down, the offense scores, but that still doesn't mean there was no defense.

I think defense is oversimplified too often, so thus my thoughts on the subject.
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ImLawBoy wrote:
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I don't think that's a conspiracy theory. I don't think anyone denies that they've tweaked the rules to increase offense.
But one could say they've tweaked the rules so QB's don't get injured so much, which then increases the offense. Same with wide receivers, you can't hit them helmet to helmet, nor can you hit them when they are 'defenseless'. So those rules alone will create more offense. Are they made to increase offense? Maybe so, but they were clearly made to cut down on injuries, particularly serious ones.
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There was good defensive line play for both teams, but their secondaries were abysmal. The Chiefs' DBs were so bad that the Rams barely even bothered to run the ball despite having a top 3 RB.
Yeah. There is more to defense than defensive backs. There were also five sacks by KC and 3 sacks by the Rams. As we all know when one part of the defense breaks down, the offense scores, but that still doesn't mean there was no defense.

I think defense is oversimplified too often, so thus my thoughts on the subject.
Of course there is defense on every play. You never see two offenses on the field for the same play. The question is whether it is effective defense. The outcome of two teams scoring 50+ points states unequivocally that no effective defense was played in that game.

It will be interesting to see what happens when these offenses meet a top 3 defense. Both will do so week 14: Rams vs. Bears and Chiefs vs. Ravens. If either of those offenses struggle, then I wouldn't go all-in on SB tickets just yet.

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If I was a conspiracy theorist I'd say the reason the owners have passed rules to the detriment of the league's defenses is so that games like this, 'exciting' games, are the result. This will rekindle fan interest and counter the negative PR effects of protesting and concussions, and whatever else.
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Post by gameoverman » Wed Nov 21, 2018 4:25 pm

I realize there were big defensive plays in the KC/Rams game, but...

They came off passing plays. If you look at the stats you'll notice ALL fumbles lost came from the quarterbacks. I point to fumbles since of course interceptions can only happen on passing plays, which means interceptions don't really say much about the defensive level of play. If this football game had real defense being played does it make sense that no running back, no receiver, lost a fumble? Not only that, but each quarterback lost MULTIPLE fumbles!

In the NFL when something works lots of teams jump on the bandwagon. Remember how the "West Coast offense" became a thing? And the teams trying to copy the '85 Bears defense? I think this game is a vision of the future of the NFL.

I started watching football when Super Bowls could end 14-7. I realize not everyone likes that, but I don't think basketball level scores make the game better.

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I started watching football when Super Bowls could end 14-7. I realize not everyone likes that, but I don't think basketball level scores make the game better.
Do you play Fantasy Football? FF is a HUGE business and I bet that has more than a little something to do with it. 14-7 games don't excite the FF crowd, they want to see the stars put him huge numbers.

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Post by gameoverman » Wed Nov 21, 2018 6:15 pm

I used to play FF but haven't in a while. I didn't consider that, I thought of FF as part of the NFL's overall plan to widen the appeal of football. I thought of FF as part of the whole emphasis on memorable Super Bowl commercials, half time shows, and things of that nature.

What I see happening now is different. Widening the appeal of football is unnecessary at this point, it's at the top of the food chain. The NFL does have a problem with fan discontent and player health. Tossing out a bone of "Look, 100 points in a game!" with the promise of more such games to come might be a sneaky way to distract everyone. If either the Rams or KC make it to the Super Bowl I think ratings and therefore revenue will be off the charts because of this game. If both those teams make it and there's a rematch, the NFL will be able to say "Problems? What problems?"

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gameoverman wrote:
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I realize there were big defensive plays in the KC/Rams game, but...

They came off passing plays. If you look at the stats you'll notice ALL fumbles lost came from the quarterbacks. I point to fumbles since of course interceptions can only happen on passing plays, which means interceptions don't really say much about the defensive level of play. If this football game had real defense being played does it make sense that no running back, no receiver, lost a fumble? Not only that, but each quarterback lost MULTIPLE fumbles!

In the NFL when something works lots of teams jump on the bandwagon. Remember how the "West Coast offense" became a thing? And the teams trying to copy the '85 Bears defense? I think this game is a vision of the future of the NFL.

I started watching football when Super Bowls could end 14-7. I realize not everyone likes that, but I don't think basketball level scores make the game better.
I hope not but as they try to make the game safer for the players then it's going to be a lot harder to stop great offensive players. Maybe someday a good defensive coordinator will come up with better defensive schemes that will not depend so much on hard tackling but more on execution and being in the right place. Being in the right place of course requires the coordinator to call the correct plays. It seems to me a lot of times they don't call good defensive plays and the defense gets burned.
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Ugh.

Trubisky is likely to be out today, vs the Lions.

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Post by LawBeefaroni » Thu Nov 22, 2018 6:04 pm

Wasn't that a fumble by Daniel right before the fatal pick-6? Was there some call I missed? Didn't have the benefit of sound.

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I missed the discussion on the Rams/Chiefs game. I don’t care how you want to characterize it, it was the most entertaining game I’ve ever seen. I love defensive battles too. But that game was ludicrously fun to watch.
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I missed the discussion on the Rams/Chiefs game. I don’t care how you want to characterize it, it was the most entertaining game I’ve ever seen. I love defensive battles too. But that game was ludicrously fun to watch.
Are you sure the Bills lack of offensive production isn't coloring your view?

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Wasn't that a fumble by Daniel right before the fatal pick-6? Was there some call I missed? Didn't have the benefit of sound.

Do I have to call New York for an explanation?
It was whistled dead, and they didn't pursue it on the field. The announcers also went with it, as the Bears hurried up and made the following punt play.
Just as the punt was about to happen, the announcer's were reviewing the play and just managed to say 'oh wait a minute, that did come out....' - but it was too late. I don't believe it was brought up again.

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Hrothgar wrote:Are you sure the Bills lack of offensive production isn't coloring your view?
Yes. If was exciting because the offenses were remarkable. And the defenses scored three touchdowns as well, and generated 7 turnovers. Was it a perfect game? Of course not. But entertaining? Without question. It’s the kind of game the NFL has been dreaming about.
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Finally the Chargers dominated somebody, albeit the lowly Cardinals. Rivers ties the record for most completed passes in a row (25).
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I missed the discussion on the Rams/Chiefs game. I don’t care how you want to characterize it, it was the most entertaining game I’ve ever seen. I love defensive battles too. But that game was ludicrously fun to watch.
I was down on it, but probably overly so. A game like that is fun to watch - now and again. If every game was (or even a majority of games were) like that, though, it wouldn't be as much fun. I was really overreacting a bit to the commentary (here and elsewhere) about how great of a game it was.
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I was down on it, but probably overly so. A game like that is fun to watch - now and again. If every game was (or even a majority of games were) like that, though, it wouldn't be as much fun. I was really overreacting a bit to the commentary (here and elsewhere) about how great of a game it was.
I get where you are coming from and agree with you. It's why I used "entertaining" rather than "great". :)
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