Octopus Overlords

noxiousdog wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:19 am Clearly we are living in a simulation.

Skinypupy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 18, 2018 4:22 pm

EDIT: What are the odds?

Jeff V wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 3:16 pm His friends call him Mr. Dirty.

pr0ner wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 12:24 am Tonight's game will be last team with the ball wins. Someone is gonna hit 60 pts too.

pr0ner wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 12:24 am Tonight's game will be last team with the ball wins. Someone is gonna hit 60 pts too.

noxiousdog wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:42 am I can't decide if I like arena football or not.

ImLawBoy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:52 am

noxiousdog wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:42 am I can't decide if I like arena football or not.

It's funny, because we're in the offensive explosion across levels of football, and my two teams (University of Michigan and Chicago Bears) are having success by being defensive minded. Growing up a Bears fan, I've always loved defense (Did you know the '85 Bears defense is the best ever? A lot of my fellow Chicagoans have failed to make that well known.), and the best season of my Michigan fandom came in 1997 - the year Charles Woodson won the Heisman as a predominantly defense player. I still enjoy a great defensive game.

That said, if my teams were offensive juggernauts, I might change my tune.

Lorini wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 12:29 pm But both teams lost two fumbles by their QB and both teams scored on those fumbles. The first INT by KC in the fourth quarter was caused because the QB was hit. So even though we don't think of defense as offense, in this game it absolutely was. Without those defensive plays, the Rams don't win.

Ralph-Wiggum wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 2:13 pm There was good defensive line play for both teams, but their secondaries were abysmal. The Chiefs' DBs were so bad that the Rams barely even bothered to run the ball despite having a top 3 RB.

Ralph-Wiggum wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 2:13 pm There was good defensive line play for both teams, but their secondaries were abysmal. The Chiefs' DBs were so bad that the Rams barely even bothered to run the ball despite having a top 3 RB.

ImLawBoy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:56 pm I don't think that's a conspiracy theory. I don't think anyone denies that they've tweaked the rules to increase offense.

Lorini wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 8:18 pm

Ralph-Wiggum wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 2:13 pm There was good defensive line play for both teams, but their secondaries were abysmal. The Chiefs' DBs were so bad that the Rams barely even bothered to run the ball despite having a top 3 RB.

Yeah. There is more to defense than defensive backs. There were also five sacks by KC and 3 sacks by the Rams. As we all know when one part of the defense breaks down, the offense scores, but that still doesn't mean there was no defense.

I think defense is oversimplified too often, so thus my thoughts on the subject.

gameoverman wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:49 pm If I was a conspiracy theorist I'd say the reason the owners have passed rules to the detriment of the league's defenses is so that games like this, 'exciting' games, are the result. This will rekindle fan interest and counter the negative PR effects of protesting and concussions, and whatever else.

Nearly three decades later, former 49ers inside linebacker Matt Millen, now 60, still gets fired up discussing that evening’s opponent.

“They were going to try to be the tough-guy Giants and bring that New York crap around,” Millen said. “It was like, give me a break. I grew up with this. I’ll freakin’ kill you.”

Said former 49ers tight end Brent Jones, pondering what would happen if safety Ronnie Lott’s performance from that night was transferred to a 2018 game: “I mean, Ronnie would be banned from the NFL for life.”

The sport is now different. But the differences between that 1990 slugfest and Monday night’s meeting between the same teams at Levi’s Stadium go beyond the NFL’s toned-down violence...

...The game included 461 yards, more punts (16) than points and no scoring in the final 31 minutes. Jerry Rice had one catch. Joe Montana had his lowest passing total (152 yards) for a full game in five years, but he did provide the lone touchdown on a 23-yard pass to John Taylor in the second quarter.

Late in the game, as the 49ers’ Barry Helton readied for his ninth kick, Michaels announced it would be the game’s 16th punt.

Cracked Dierdorf: “Oh, goody.”

But the participants had an immediate appreciation for a game that included five starters who are in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, a Hall of Fame coach (New York’s Bill Parcells) and Giants defensive coordinator Bill Belichick, who has won an NFL-record five Super Bowls. The contest was clean — one turnover and eight penalties — but violent, even by that day’s standards.

A member of the 49ers’ stalled-out offense, tackle Bubba Paris, called it “the best football I’ve seen in my nine years in the National Football League.” Offered Giants defensive end Leonard Marshall: “It was the Super Bowl, in my mind.”

gameoverman wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 4:25 pm I started watching football when Super Bowls could end 14-7. I realize not everyone likes that, but I don't think basketball level scores make the game better.

gameoverman wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 4:25 pm I realize there were big defensive plays in the KC/Rams game, but...

They came off passing plays. If you look at the stats you'll notice ALL fumbles lost came from the quarterbacks. I point to fumbles since of course interceptions can only happen on passing plays, which means interceptions don't really say much about the defensive level of play. If this football game had real defense being played does it make sense that no running back, no receiver, lost a fumble? Not only that, but each quarterback lost MULTIPLE fumbles!

In the NFL when something works lots of teams jump on the bandwagon. Remember how the "West Coast offense" became a thing? And the teams trying to copy the '85 Bears defense? I think this game is a vision of the future of the NFL.

I started watching football when Super Bowls could end 14-7. I realize not everyone likes that, but I don't think basketball level scores make the game better.

RunningMn9 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 25, 2018 4:13 pm I missed the discussion on the Rams/Chiefs game. I don’t care how you want to characterize it, it was the most entertaining game I’ve ever seen. I love defensive battles too. But that game was ludicrously fun to watch.

LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 6:04 pm Wasn't that a fumble by Daniel right before the fatal pick-6? Was there some call I missed? Didn't have the benefit of sound.

Do I have to call New York for an explanation?

Hrothgar wrote:Are you sure the Bills lack of offensive production isn't coloring your view?

RunningMn9 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 25, 2018 4:13 pm I missed the discussion on the Rams/Chiefs game. I don’t care how you want to characterize it, it was the most entertaining game I’ve ever seen. I love defensive battles too. But that game was ludicrously fun to watch.

ImLawBoy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 12:40 am I was down on it, but probably overly so. A game like that is fun to watch - now and again. If every game was (or even a majority of games were) like that, though, it wouldn't be as much fun. I was really overreacting a bit to the commentary (here and elsewhere) about how great of a game it was.