[Film] X-Men: Dark Phoenix - Jun 07 2019

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Sun May 13, 2018 8:16 pm

Now the movies are ready to take a second whack at the story, specifically with Simon Kinberg's X-Men: Dark Phoenix.
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One could argue that the greatest mistake made by X-Men: The Last Stand was not telling the story through the eyes of Jean Grey -- instead opting to make Hugh Jackman's Wolverine the protagonist. Thankfully, this will not happen with X-Men: Dark Phoenix, as it's been confirmed that Sophie Turner's version of the telepathic telekinetic will be the central character in the movie.

McNutt · Post by **McNutt** » Sun May 13, 2018 9:45 pm

Isgrimnur wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 8:16 pm
One could argue that the greatest mistake made by X-Men: The Last Stand was not telling the story through the eyes of Jean Grey -- instead opting to make Hugh Jackman's Wolverine the protagonist.

The greatest mistake? I don't think so.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Sun May 13, 2018 9:48 pm

They sold their soul to Jackman long before, which is why Cyclops got such short shrift in that one.

McNutt · Post by **McNutt** » Sun May 13, 2018 10:05 pm

I agree that the X-Men films have been centered around Wolverine and I'm okay with that. There was just so much wrong with that movie though that not showing it from her perspective doesn't make the list. It really was a terrible movie. Worse than Spider-Man 3.

msteelers · Post by **msteelers** » Mon May 14, 2018 5:10 am

Isgrimnur wrote:They sold their soul to Jackman long before, which is why Cyclops got such short shrift in that one.

I think it had more to do with Cyclops jumping ship to film Superman Returns.

hentzau · Post by **hentzau** » Mon May 14, 2018 4:31 pm

Hm. Trying to remember, I know that Cyclops and Jean Grey were in the last X-Men movie, but I don't really remember them being stand out characters. A big chunk (IMO) of the story of Dark Phoenix was the relationship between Cyke and Jean. Interesting that they go that route. But, not sure what other story line you could do.

Oh wait, I do. The Brood. THAT I would pay money to see. Classic Claremont/Paul Smith stuff.

But that's nostalgia speaking. If they did that today, it would be hard to not be called an Aliens rip-off. Cause it was.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:21 am

msteelers · Post by **msteelers** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:00 am

That looks pretty good. The X-Men movies have always alternated between being pretty good and garbage. Days of Futures Past was good, Apocalypse was terrible, so this should be good... right?

DD* · Post by DD* » Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:46 am

msteelers wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:00 am That looks pretty good. The X-Men movies have always alternated between being pretty good and garbage. Days of Futures Past was good, Apocalypse was terrible, so this should be good... right?

Kind of like Star Trek movies - have to concentrate on the even numbered ones and try to avoid the odd...

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:42 pm

But geeze, that music. That awful music.

gameoverman · Post by **gameoverman** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:08 pm

My main issue with this trailer, and I'm someone not familiar with the story from the comics, is that Sansa is not scary. Even in GOT where she has her hardcore moments, she's not really threatening. The helicopter bit in the trailer is her 'bad' side right? She doesn't play bad all that impressively. In fact, the trailer makes it feel like she's the victim and they are all worried about her. A "We need to save her from herself" story isn't what I was hoping for.

Combustible Lemur · Post by **Combustible Lemur** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:51 pm

gameoverman wrote:My main issue with this trailer, and I'm someone not familiar with the story from the comics, is that Sansa is not scary. Even in GOT where she has her hardcore moments, she's not really threatening. The helicopter bit in the trailer is her 'bad' side right? She doesn't play bad all that impressively. In fact, the trailer makes it feel like she's the victim and they are all worried about her. A "We need to save her from herself" story isn't what I was hoping for.

Why not? Jean Grey has always been the "victim" of the dark Phoenix.

It was the movies that retconned it into an extension of her own powers and even then it was a thing she always sought to overcome. Until magneto was a dick.

Speaking of, how is this movie not "the last stand" ?

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Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:56 pm

Because they already tried that.

gameoverman · Post by **gameoverman** » Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:04 am

The problem with her being the victim is then it undermines the threat. A foe who is actively and willfully opposing you is a far greater threat than someone who is in opposition to you but not because they want it that way. If that's how it is in the comics then I hope they manage to translate what made it work into the movie.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Fri Sep 28, 2018 1:32 am

But someone actively opposing you who still has your friend inside somehow is just as dangerous, and harder to fight.

AWS260 · Post by **AWS260** » Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:37 am

msteelers wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:00 am That looks pretty good. The X-Men movies have always alternated between being pretty good and garbage. Days of Futures Past was good, Apocalypse was terrible, so this should be good... right?

Maybe, but Apocalypse was so bad that I'm not hopeful. And the director this time around is the guy who wrote X-Men 3, so this is his second shot at Dark Phoenix.

msteelers · Post by **msteelers** » Fri Sep 28, 2018 11:00 am

AWS260 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:37 am
msteelers wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:00 am That looks pretty good. The X-Men movies have always alternated between being pretty good and garbage. Days of Futures Past was good, Apocalypse was terrible, so this should be good... right?
Maybe, but Apocalypse was so bad that I'm not hopeful. And the director this time around is the guy who wrote X-Men 3, so this is his second shot at Dark Phoenix.

Crap. I did not know that.

What a strange choice. He had his shot at this story, and it sucked? Why should he get a second crack at it?

gameoverman · Post by **gameoverman** » Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:34 pm

This could work. Maybe the first time around he pitched an idea that the suits said no to, then everyone saw in hindsight his pitch was the way they should have gone. Now he gets to write and direct, presumably the suits said "Okay smart guy, do it your way".

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Tue Feb 26, 2019 3:50 pm

Pyperkub · Post by **Pyperkub** » Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:26 pm

I wish they could postpone and rewrite/shoot/edit this with Feige in charge.

Reviewed script is not going to be enough, IMHO.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:51 pm

AWS260 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:37 am
msteelers wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:00 am That looks pretty good. The X-Men movies have always alternated between being pretty good and garbage. Days of Futures Past was good, Apocalypse was terrible, so this should be good... right?
Maybe, but Apocalypse was so bad that I'm not hopeful. And the director this time around is the guy who wrote X-Men 3, so this is his second shot at Dark Phoenix.

Olivia Munn looked *amazing* in Apocalypse, though.

AWS260 · Post by **AWS260** » Thu Feb 28, 2019 10:33 am

gilraen · Post by **gilraen** » Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:46 am

I'll see it when it comes out, but they've re-shuffled the timelines so many times now, I feel like I lost interest in the outcome of any given "crisis", and the heroes aren't compelling enough for me to care one way or another.

Lordnine · Post by **Lordnine** » Thu Feb 28, 2019 12:35 pm

That does not look particularly good... It also seems like a close retread of Last Stand, which killed the first series. Also, I haven't seen Apocalypse so maybe the focus has changed but that trailer has an obvious spoiler for killing off a major character...that seems an odd marketing choice...

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Feb 28, 2019 12:53 pm

I do like me some Quicksilver

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Thu Feb 28, 2019 1:22 pm

Who is Sansa supposed to be?

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Feb 28, 2019 1:25 pm

Jean Grey

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Thu Feb 28, 2019 1:27 pm

Unagi wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 1:25 pmJean Grey

Who she played in Apocalypse.

rittchard · Post by **rittchard** » Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:09 pm

While the Dark Phoenix Saga remains one of my all-time favorite comic book storylines, I just don't see it being a really good fit for a single movie. Maybe a 12-episode TV series or something (or better yet over multiple seasons), I don't know. When they call it a saga, it really is that: a saga. Skipping or speeding through segments of it not only diminishes the source material, it makes much of it feel obsolete or simply unrelatable.

First off, a large part of the story depends on your familiarity with the Jean Grey character and her metamorphosis into Phoenix. Then a period of adjustment as her powers grow seemingly exponentially while she is slowly being corrupted by Mastermind. Then the turn to the dark side and a whole other epic story trying to stop/kill her. I do give the original movies props for at least trying to capture some bits of this before jumping straight to Dark Phoenix, but what they really needed was a transition movie in between X2 and Last Stand.

With the new series, we get one movie with Sansa as like the fourth or fifth lead character and now we're suddenly supposed to be invested as she goes through all of the above? Part of the brilliance of the MCU Thanos storyline was the patience and restraint they showed building up to the epic finale over years and multiple movies. It's a shame the X-folks couldn't seem to figure out how to do something similar. It's like watching porn and just jumping to the money shot with zero build up or anticipation. It may or may not scratch the itch but it's ultimately a lot more empty.

MHS · Post by **MHS** » Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:19 pm

I'd have been more interested if they had done it when Famke Janssen was Jean Grey. Sophie doesn't have the acting chops or the hawtness to pull this off.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:39 pm

They pretty much teased the Phoenix aspect in Apocalypse.

Brian · Post by **Brian** » Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:48 pm

MHS wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:19 pm I'd have been more interested if they had done it when Famke Janssen was Jean Grey. Sophie doesn't have the acting chops or the hawtness to pull this off.

Not a Sophie fan either but then I always found Famke to be only slightly more interesting than wet cardboard so it's not much of a trade-off

AWS260 · Post by **AWS260** » Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:52 pm

MHS wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:19 pm I'd have been more interested if they had done it when Famke Janssen was Jean Grey.

They did! Sort of. In X-Men 3. It was terrible.

Isgrimnur wrote:They pretty much teased the Phoenix aspect in Apocalypse.

Also terrible.

I'm convinced that the Dark Phoenix storyline will not told effectively on film until after I am dead.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:54 pm

It feels like they're making a half-ass attempt at it based on the overall legacy/arc of the X-Men movies. It doesn't look (feel?) to me like how I remembered it from the comics. Granted, I don't know exactly how I would have done it on film, but it seems like maybe it wasn't something they planned on filming from the beginning (when the rebooted this whole franchise). I dunno.

EDIT: What rittchard said.

Grifman · Post by **Grifman** » Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:05 am

I read some rumors a while back that this is just terrible, can't remember where though.

Ah, here it is:

https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/x-m ... ak-online/'

The source is reddit so buyer beware.

TheMix · Post by **TheMix** » Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:42 am

Brian wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:48 pm
MHS wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:19 pm I'd have been more interested if they had done it when Famke Janssen was Jean Grey. Sophie doesn't have the acting chops or the hawtness to pull this off.
Not a Sophie fan either but then I always found Famke to be only slightly more interesting than wet cardboard so it's not much of a trade-off

Yeah, I'm with Brian here. When she first appeared as Jean Grey, I was definitely on the hawtness side. But as I started seeing her in other stuff I realized that she is a horrible actress. Now I dread seeing her in anything.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:49 am

I don't think she's Mark Wahlberg horrible, but yeah...Famke ain't exactly bucking for a Golden Globe anytime soon.

If you want pure Famke hilarity, just watch a few minutes of any episodes from season 1 of the god awful Hemlock Grove on Netflix. She uses an accent that switches hilariously between countries...and I don't think she intended to make it funny. If you watch the first episode of season 2, she even completely drops the accent and they try to explain it away as some kind of trauma.

Also, put me in the camp that doesn't think Turner can pull this off.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:56 am

I think Turner's done a good job on Game of Thrones. She's clearly capable of good acting, at least.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:58 am

I may be unfairly judging her based on my inability to separate her from her GoT role.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:35 pm

BI

With a 21% rating on Rotten Tomatoes, "Dark Phoenix," the 10th movie in the X-Men franchise, is the worst-reviewed movie in the 20-year history of theatrical releases of the Marvel characters.
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Though audiences (and critics) domestically have X-Men fatigue, internationally it's a different story.

Outside of three X-Men movies, the rest have performed better internationally than domestically. That's a huge reason why a studio will continue a franchise (it's why "Terminator" movies keep getting made). With the production budgets of these movies at $100-million-plus (only two, "X-Men" and "Logan," were under that mark), international sales play a big part in making money off the IP.