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Post by Scuzz » Sat Dec 22, 2018 9:16 pm

Last I heard they were not willing to give him the length of contract he wanted. And I am not a big fan. I would rather they got an everyday 1B from somewhere and use a more set lineup.

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Post by Lorini » Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:26 am

Yup, we'll see if they get him. They don't need Machado. I don't know about Harper, the things I've heard about his personality doesn't endear me to him off the bat. On the other hand I'll really miss Puig, made watching the game fun. If they don't get Harper he could be back in 2020.
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Post by naednek » Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:44 am

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Yup, we'll see if they get him. They don't need Machado. I don't know about Harper, the things I've heard about his personality doesn't endear me to him off the bat. On the other hand I'll really miss Puig, made watching the game fun. If they don't get Harper he could be back in 2020.

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Post by Scuzz » Sun Dec 23, 2018 6:13 pm

naednek wrote:
Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:44 am
Lorini wrote:
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Yup, we'll see if they get him. They don't need Machado. I don't know about Harper, the things I've heard about his personality doesn't endear me to him off the bat. On the other hand I'll really miss Puig, made watching the game fun. If they don't get Harper he could be back in 2020.

When did dodgers care about personality?
When did any team care about personality?

Until seeing Machado with the Dodgers I would have been all for the Dodgers getting him, but not now. Same with Harper, though both have a lot of that "me first" attitude that isn't very likable in sports. It's great when you win and play well, it sucks when you don't.

As for Puig, he semed to have changed his attitude and became a hustler. I don't think he will ever be more than what he is, but as a 4th OF he was pretty good.

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Post by Lorini » Tue Dec 25, 2018 9:14 am

From a team management perspective, players are just lines on an excel spreadsheet. I know that but I can still have opinions about them and how they play :).
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Jenrry is 29. Moylan is 40. :think:
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Jenrry is 29. Moylan is 40. :think:
Jenrry was also banned for life at one point, which is the point of Moylan's tweet. He's not the only one upset, as both Justin Verlander and Josh Reddick have tweeted about Jenrry's signing.
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That may be, but it's within the rules:
Commissioner Rob Manfred released a statement regarding Mejia's reinstatement:

"Under the terms of our collectively bargained Joint Drug Program, a permanently suspended player like Mr. Mejia has the right to apply to me for discretionary reinstatement after serving a minimum of two years. Upon receiving Mr. Mejia's application for reinstatement last year, I invited him to New York to meet with me. During our meeting, Mr. Mejia expressed regret for poor choices he made in the past and assured me that, if reinstated, he would adhere to the terms of the Program going forward. In light of Mr. Mejia's contrition, his commitment to comply with the Program in the future, and the fact that he will have already spent almost four consecutive years suspended without pay, I have decided to grant Mr. Mejia a final chance to resume his professional career."
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Per the terms of the drug policy a player who tests positive on three different occasions will receive a "permanent suspension" from Major League Baseball. After one year of the suspension the player can apply to the commissioner for discretionary reinstatement which would begin two years after the suspension. Mejia received the suspension on February 12, 2016, which made him eligible to apply at the beginning of '18.
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Post by stessier » Wed Jan 30, 2019 2:46 pm

And he signed a minor league contract, right? Is that what Moylan is looking for?
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And he signed a minor league contract, right? Is that what Moylan is looking for?
I am sure part of the deal is, and this is where Verlander and Reddick's tweets come in, what's the point of a lifetime ban for PEDs (Mejia tested positive THREE times) if a player can get reinstated.



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Then they need to lobby the MLBPA to change the rules.
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Wed Jan 30, 2019 2:01 pm
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Jenrry is 29. Moylan is 40. :think:
Jenrry was also banned for life at one point, which is the point of Moylan's tweet. He's not the only one upset, as both Justin Verlander and Josh Reddick have tweeted about Jenrry's signing.
Verlander has been vocal about the standards of the MLB. You don't often see players make those kinds of statements about other players but just this year, Verlander publicly and loudly objected to the idea of Roberto Osuna becoming an Astro, didn't he?

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Then they need to lobby the MLBPA to change the rules.
With Tony Clark in charge? :lol:
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Post by El Guapo » Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:45 pm

I don't feel strongly about Mejia. According to Manfred's reinstatement statement, he came across as genuinely contrite. The statement also says it's his "last chance", so presumably with another violation he'd be really permanently gone. And he's been out of baseball almost four years.

The rules provide for voluntary reinstatement after the ban at the discretion of the commissioner. This just gets at what standards are going to apply to those reinstatement requests. This reinstatement points towards a more lenient application (at least, assuming the player can convey contrition), which seems within reasonable discretion.

Also, it's really hard to imagine the MLBPA lobbying to change the rules to remove the capacity of the Commissioner to reinstate players.

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El Guapo wrote:
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The statement also says it's his "last chance", so presumably with another violation he'd be really permanently gone. we'd really mean it this time.

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Post by El Guapo » Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:56 pm

LordMortis wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:51 pm
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The statement also says it's his "last chance", so presumably with another violation he'd be really permanently gone. we'd really mean it this time.
I mean, that's fair, but the ban from the third violation was "lifetime with possibility of reinstatement". This would then be essentially just a straight lifetime ban.

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pr0ner wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:39 pm
Isgrimnur wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 2:59 pm
Then they need to lobby the MLBPA to change the rules.
With Tony Clark in charge? :lol:
I don't know enough to know what you're getting at in this case.
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As a life-long Orioles fan I used to knowing the team won't be relevant in the new season. F-you Chris Davis.
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As a life-long Orioles fan I used to knowing the team won't be relevant in the new season. F-you Chris Davis.
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"I made a lot of changes this offseason," Davis told reporters. "I saw a lot of different people, people that I hadn't seen in a decade but that knew me in a younger age when I was in the Rangers' minor league system, and I feel like it just kind of opened me up.
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If Chris Davis recovers from a terrible performance last season, the Baltimore Orioles can thank the Texas Rangers.

Davis told reporters during the Orioles' FanFest last weekend that he consulted during the offseason with Rangers' personnel during his six years with the organization.
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"I made a lot of changes this offseason," Davis told reporters. "I saw a lot of different people, people that I hadn't seen in a decade but that knew me in a younger age when I was in the Rangers' minor league system, and I feel like it just kind of opened me up.
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Angels sign Matt Harvey. Isn't he the guy someone here was complaining about?
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Angels sign Matt Harvey. Isn't he the guy someone here was complaining about?
Not me, I love Harvey and his tendency to pitch one inning too long. :mrgreen:

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Exodor wrote:
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Angels sign Matt Harvey. Isn't he the guy someone here was complaining about?
Not me, I love Harvey and his tendency to pitch one inning too long. :mrgreen:
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pr0ner wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 2:01 pm
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Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:54 am
Jenrry is 29. Moylan is 40. :think:
Jenrry was also banned for life at one point, which is the point of Moylan's tweet. He's not the only one upset, as both Justin Verlander and Josh Reddick have tweeted about Jenrry's signing.
The real answer is that Jenrry is probably better than Moylan.

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Post by Lorini » Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:56 am

I like all of these rule changes! And I especially like the fact that the MLPA came back with some things they wanted, so that there could be a tit-for-tat situation instead of a ram-it-down-your-throat situation.
A three-batter minimum for pitchers

A universal designated hitter

A single trade deadline before the All-Star break

A 20-second pitch clock

The expansion of rosters to 26 men, with a 12-pitcher maximum

Draft advantages for winning teams and penalties for losing teams

A study to lower the mound

A rule that would allow two-sport amateurs to sign major league contracts
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A three-batter minimum for pitchers - Don't like it.

A universal designated hitter - Prefer a universal no-DH rule.

A single trade deadline before the All-Star break - No opinion. Would need to hear more arguments for and against.

A 20-second pitch clock - Would want to see a study of how much time this would actually take off the game. Baseball seems focused on cutting 5 minutes off the game, but going from 3:15 to 3:10 doesn't seem to do much. Also would be interested in details on how this would work with runners on base.

The expansion of rosters to 26 men, with a 12-pitcher maximum - Seems OK to me.

Draft advantages for winning teams and penalties for losing teams - Is this one of those deals where the best non-playoff team gets the highest draft pick to avoid tanking? If so, I like the concept. It's probably less effective in baseball given the vagaries of the draft and development, but I would really like to see it tried in the NFL or NBA.

A study to lower the mound - Studies are good.

A rule that would allow two-sport amateurs to sign major league contracts - No issues with this.
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A three-batter minimum for pitchers - This is the only one I don't like.

All the rest are good ideas.
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A three-batter minimum for pitchers - This is the only one I don't like.
Obviously a reaction to starting a pitcher then yanking after one batter. I can see it playing havoc with late inning strategy though.
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Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:35 am
stessier wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:29 am
A three-batter minimum for pitchers - This is the only one I don't like.
Obviously a reaction to starting a pitcher then yanking after one batter. I can see it playing havoc with late inning strategy though.
Teams would adapt. I just don't think the one batter pitcher is a problem that needs fixing. Maybe have a set amount of time per inning for warming up pitchers excluding those removed for injury. They don't need to throw from the mound - make them warm up in the bullpen and then come pitch.
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Jaymann wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:35 am
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Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:29 am
A three-batter minimum for pitchers - This is the only one I don't like.
Obviously a reaction to starting a pitcher then yanking after one batter. I can see it playing havoc with late inning strategy though.
I don't think the one hitter starter issue is of much concern to anyone, as it's still in the novelty phase. You certainly wouldn't make this drastic of a rule change in response to something like that. I read it as more of a reaction to late inning one-hitter relievers. All the switching can add significant time to the game.
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stessier wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:38 am
Jaymann wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:35 am
stessier wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:29 am
A three-batter minimum for pitchers - This is the only one I don't like.
Obviously a reaction to starting a pitcher then yanking after one batter. I can see it playing havoc with late inning strategy though.
Teams would adapt. I just don't think the one batter pitcher is a problem that needs fixing. Maybe have a set amount of time per inning for warming up pitchers excluding those removed for injury. They don't need to throw from the mound - make them warm up in the bullpen and then come pitch.
I think the pitchers would argue that bullpen mounds are different from field mounds, so they need at least a few tosses to make sure they've got their rhythm. Depending on who has come before them, the indents from pitchers' landing spots could move. That's just my speculation, though. I do think that's an area where we could do something to take some time off of the game that might have a legit impact on overall game length.
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Post by Zaxxon » Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:51 am

ImLawBoy wrote:
Jaymann wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:35 am
stessier wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:29 am
A three-batter minimum for pitchers - This is the only one I don't like.
Obviously a reaction to starting a pitcher then yanking after one batter. I can see it playing havoc with late inning strategy though.
I don't think the one hitter starter issue is of much concern to anyone, as it's still in the novelty phase. You certainly wouldn't make this drastic of a rule change in response to something like that. I read it as more of a reaction to late inning one-hitter relievers. All the switching can add significant time to the game.
This. And I'm all for it. Although I probably would have preferred a 2-batter minimum. I think that largely accomplishes the same goal but while being less drastic.

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ImLawBoy wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:41 am
I think the pitchers would argue that bullpen mounds are different from field mounds, so they need at least a few tosses to make sure they've got their rhythm. Depending on who has come before them, the indents from pitchers' landing spots could move. That's just my speculation, though. I do think that's an area where we could do something to take some time off of the game that might have a legit impact on overall game length.
I think shortening it up to the point where there isn't a commercial break for a pitcher change would do the trick -- but, of course, the clubs don't want to do that, because revenue. Really, though, if we don't need a commercial to introduce a pinch-hitter, we shouldn't need a commercial for a pinch-pitcher.

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Draft advantages for winning teams and penalties for losing teams

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Low-revenue teams that succeed -- whether by finishing above .500 or making the playoffs -- would be given greater draft positions or bonus pools under the union's proposal, according to sources. While the depth of the penalties were not clear, the union suggested teams that lose 90-plus games in consecutive years could be affected negatively in the draft.
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Low-revenue teams that succeed -- whether by finishing above .500 or making the playoffs -- would be given greater draft positions or bonus pools under the union's proposal, according to sources. While the depth of the penalties were not clear, the union suggested teams that lose 90-plus games in consecutive years could be affected negatively in the draft.
That's stupid.

Why penalize a team that loses 90+ games in consecutive years?

I'm not a huge fan of Cubs/ Astros style tank and win but I wouldn't want to put a system in place that punishes low-payroll teams for losing. I waited 29 years for the Royals to get back to the playoffs. Punishing them in the draft for sucking is not going to help low-payroll teams compete.

I also hate the must-pitch-to-three-batters rule. I feel like capping pitching staffs at 12 players will be more effective at cutting down on the endless reliever swapping that we see now.

The pitch clock is fine but something also needs to be done to address batters stepping out of the box between every pitch.

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Post by El Guapo » Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:17 pm

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Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:05 pm
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Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:55 pm
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Low-revenue teams that succeed -- whether by finishing above .500 or making the playoffs -- would be given greater draft positions or bonus pools under the union's proposal, according to sources. While the depth of the penalties were not clear, the union suggested teams that lose 90-plus games in consecutive years could be affected negatively in the draft.
That's stupid.

Why penalize a team that loses 90+ games in consecutive years?

I'm not a huge fan of Cubs/ Astros style tank and win but I wouldn't want to put a system in place that punishes low-payroll teams for losing. I waited 29 years for the Royals to get back to the playoffs. Punishing them in the draft for sucking is not going to help low-payroll teams compete.

I also hate the must-pitch-to-three-batters rule. I feel like capping pitching staffs at 12 players will be more effective at cutting down on the endless reliever swapping that we see now.

The pitch clock is fine but something also needs to be done to address batters stepping out of the box between every pitch.
I think it makes sense to disincentivize tanking (especially when owners these days seem unwilling to spend money), but this seems like the wrong approach (admittedly, with a lot of details left to be filled in). You'd think the most direct method would be something like a salary floor (or you could just give every team an equal chance in the draft lottery regardless of record).

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