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Avengers: End Game

Post by Dogstar » Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:56 am

The end is here. And not just for the people planning to sit through the preceding 39-hour movie marathon.




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Re: Avengers: End Game

Post by AWS260 » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:08 am

I want to watch, but I don't want to be spoiled. Someone watch it and let me know if it's safe.

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Post by Freyland » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:20 am

Very safe. Disappointingly safe, actually.
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Re: Avengers: End Game

Post by Unagi » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:30 am

Yeah. It's mostly a re-cap of their situation.

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Re: Avengers: End Game

Post by El Guapo » Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:21 am

Well, there's a bit of a spoiler at the end (last 10 seconds) re: Ant-Man's fate.

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Re: Avengers: End Game

Post by Paingod » Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:06 pm

While I sincerely doubt they'd do it, my heart wants...
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Re: Avengers: End Game

Post by msteelers » Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:38 pm

They made us wait all this time, only to call it End Game?

Shame on them. I’m only going to see this three times in the theater now.

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Re: Avengers: End Game

Post by Freyland » Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:55 pm

I know, right?

This flagrant irresponsibility has made me look to confirm the release date only *twice* today.

So disappointed.
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Post by Blackhawk » Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:43 pm

Michelle is absolutely flipping out because of the brief scene with Renner as Ronin.
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Re: Avengers: End Game

Post by gameoverman » Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:18 pm

My favorite bit of the trailer, and a reminder why I liked the first part of the story was when Black Widow says Thanos did exactly what he said he'd do. That's rare for villains in movies. They all have diabolical plans but hardly ever follow through on those plans. It was refreshing to see Thanos...um, kill half of all life? That doesn't sound right.

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Re: Avengers: End Game

Post by JCC » Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:49 pm

It's funny - unlike many - I have loved both of the new Star Wars movies. But, I realized today that I am a MILLION times more excited for Avengers IV than Star Wars episode IX. A few years ago I would have never believed that to be possible.

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Post by pr0ner » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:10 pm

That trailer should be called Avengers: Mopeyforce
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Re: Avengers: End Game

Post by Kelric » Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:09 pm

Are we spoilering this? Just in case...
Spoiler:
If that is Loki's hand as an ice giant at the 1:26 mark I am going to flip.

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Re: Avengers: End Game

Post by Unagi » Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:52 pm

Kelric wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:09 pm
Are we spoilering this? Just in case...
Spoiler:
If that is Loki's hand as an ice giant at the 1:26 mark I am going to flip.
Spoiler:
I thought it was Nebula's but now I wonder.

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Post by Kelric » Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:23 am

Unagi wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:52 pm
Kelric wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:09 pm
Are we spoilering this? Just in case...
Spoiler:
If that is Loki's hand as an ice giant at the 1:26 mark I am going to flip.
Spoiler:
I thought it was Nebula's but now I wonder.
Spoiler:
It very well could be Nebula as she was in the scene immediately proceeding that IIRC

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Re: Avengers: End Game

Post by Combustible Lemur » Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:35 am


Kelric wrote:
Unagi wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:52 pm
Kelric wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:09 pm
Are we spoilering this? Just in case...
Spoiler:
If that is Loki's hand as an ice giant at the 1:26 mark I am going to flip.
Spoiler:
I thought it was Nebula's but now I wonder.
Spoiler:
It very well could be Nebula as she was in the scene immediately proceeding that IIRC
Spoiler:
fairly certain it's nebula on the guardians ships. They wouldn't want to show her in context in order to keep them tension that Tony is actually alone not adrift with company.


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Re: Avengers: End Game

Post by Ralph-Wiggum » Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:17 am

Wait - Thanos killed 50% of all life, not just 50% of all intelligent life? Cause that would lead to some serious ecosystem meltdowns.

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Re: Avengers: End Game

Post by Unagi » Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:28 am

It would also be sorta stupid to kill off half the fish, crops, and livestock if ones goal was to increase the amount of resources available for the remaining 'intelligent life'.

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Post by Freyland » Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:50 am

Unagi wrote:
Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:28 am
It would also be sorta stupid to kill off half the fish, crops, and livestock if ones goal was to increase the amount of resources available for the remaining 'intelligent life'.
Upon realizing this happened, Thanos exclaimed, "Oh, snap!", and thus accidentally eliminated yet another 50%.
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Post by raydude » Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:02 pm

Ralph-Wiggum wrote:
Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:17 am
Wait - Thanos killed 50% of all life, not just 50% of all intelligent life? Cause that would lead to some serious ecosystem meltdowns.
Not to mention endangered species, who could ill afford to lose half their population.

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Re: Avengers: End Game

Post by Brian » Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:56 pm

Also not to mention all the immediate additional deaths when pilots, drivers, doctors, and hundreds of thousands of other people who hold others lives in their hands suddenly turn to ash.

Followed by the likely longer term collapse of vital infrastructure, food supply, financial, and other global systems collapse due to the sudden loss of qualified personnel and workers.

Crime, especially violent crime, goes up as people struggle to cope with both personal loss alongside societal collapse.

Figure you probably lose 60-75% of the total pre-snap population in the first year.

And that's just on our planet...
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Re: Avengers: End Game

Post by gameoverman » Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:23 pm

Unagi wrote:
Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:28 am
It would also be sorta stupid to kill off half the fish, crops, and livestock if ones goal was to increase the amount of resources available for the remaining 'intelligent life'.
What good is it if there are 1,000 acres of corn growing but no farmer there to harvest it? What good is it if there are 1,000 head of cattle on the ranch but no rancher there to feed them? Kill half of everything or go home, that's how Thanos rolls.

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Post by Freyland » Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:59 pm

It would be giggle-shit worthy if Thanos discovered that he was part of "the wrong 50%".
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Re: Avengers: End Game

Post by dbt1949 » Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:16 pm

I suppose it's too much to ask that the half or the USA we loose is the republican half?
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Re: Avengers: End Game

Post by Unagi » Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:02 pm

gameoverman wrote:
Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:23 pm
Unagi wrote:
Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:28 am
It would also be sorta stupid to kill off half the fish, crops, and livestock if ones goal was to increase the amount of resources available for the remaining 'intelligent life'.
What good is it if there are 1,000 acres of corn growing but no farmer there to harvest it?
Depends if you have crop decay set to true.

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Re: Avengers: End Game

Post by Paingod » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:00 am

Brian wrote:
Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:56 pm
Figure you probably lose 60-75% of the total pre-snap population in the first year.
But those that do survive are more enduring, stronger, and fitter. It works well with the theme of cutting back overgrowth to allow the rest to flourish.
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Re: Avengers: End Game

Post by Unagi » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:56 am

Paingod wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:00 am
Brian wrote:
Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:56 pm
Figure you probably lose 60-75% of the total pre-snap population in the first year.
But those that do survive are more enduring, stronger, and fitter. It works well with the theme of cutting back overgrowth to allow the rest to flourish.
But the strongest could very well have been in his first %50.

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Re: Avengers: End Game

Post by El Guapo » Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:52 am

Black Widow may also have meant "50% of all sentient life".

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Post by Paingod » Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:53 am

Which makes perfect sense. Nature balances non-sentient life quite well. It's getting smart that breaks the rules and lets a species run amok.
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Post by Unagi » Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:04 am

semantics, but these days the term Sentient doesn't just mean 'human like intelligence'.

It means simply that they feel and think.... making a dog a sentient being.

I feel like that's the more accurate interpretation.

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Post by Isgrimnur » Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:06 am

Unagi wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:04 am
semantics, but these days the term Sentient doesn't just mean 'human like intelligence'.

It means simply that they feel and think.... making a dog a sentient being.

I feel like that's the more accurate interpretation.
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Post by Unagi » Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:07 am

I'm not sure I follow. are you saying you want to shoot me dead?

or that you know some dogs that are certainly more sentient than Keanu Reeves?

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Post by Isgrimnur » Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:08 am

Unagi wrote:
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I'm not sure I follow. are you saying you want to shoot me dead?
I'm saying that killing a man's dog is not a wise proposition.
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Post by Unagi » Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:10 am

Ahh, yes.

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Post by El Guapo » Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:02 pm

Unagi wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:04 am
semantics, but these days the term Sentient doesn't just mean 'human like intelligence'.

It means simply that they feel and think.... making a dog a sentient being.

I feel like that's the more accurate interpretation.
Right, so clearly the snap covered at least intelligent non-human beings across the universe (e.g., not just humans, but aliens and whatnot). That's probably what Black Widow is talking about - this isn't something localized, it's half of everyone everywhere.

Whether dogs, fish, bacteria, plants, etc. get covered by the snap is ultimately up to Thanos, I suppose. But IIRC there were non-intelligent living things in the scenes where we see the snap take effect (at the very least, trees and plants in the Wakanda part), and I don't believe we see any of them vanish, right? Like if 50% of all living things are disappearing, unless the Wakandan trees and plants are all very lucky, we should've seen at least one of them disappear. Which would indicate at the snap is not covering "all living things", but that Thanos drew a line somewhere (most likely at fully self-aware life).

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Post by Blackhawk » Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:47 am

Animals were absolutely, 100% including, even the sentient, non-sapient varieties. Kevin Feige confirmed it. Half of all puppies, kittens, cockroaches, and pink winged alien elephants. And half of Rocket, because there is only one of him.
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Post by Paingod » Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:19 am

Hopefully not the surly half.
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Post by El Guapo » Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:37 am

Blackhawk wrote:
Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:47 am
Animals were absolutely, 100% including, even the sentient, non-sapient varieties. Kevin Feige confirmed it. Half of all puppies, kittens, cockroaches, and pink winged alien elephants. And half of Rocket, because there is only one of him.
Interesting. Though that raises the question - when Thanos is eliminating "half of all living things", are we talking a giant pool of every living being, or does each pool get divided in half? Like, is it half of humans, half of dogs, half of cats, etc., or is it (humans + cats + dogs) / 2? Because if it's the latter, a lot of the lives are going to wind up being fruit flies, mosquitoes, ants, etc., such that the human / intelligent loss would probably wind up being considerably less than half.

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