Re: Game of Thrones Season 8
Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:10 am
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Are you kidding me? She froze the whole world! It was like a fire dragon but opposite! Disnefyied ending though. They didn't have to kill her to stop her terror campaign. She just needed a hug from her sister.
Actually one of my thoughts after Frozen was that there's no way that Elsa doesn't become a world-conquering tyrant in the following years. She can make an army of intelligent loyal ice monsters at will! To say nothing of her ability to freeze whole regions (and presumably armies). How could any neighboring cities / nations possibly hold out against her? So she clearly *can* conquer much of the known world, and the history of people getting that kind of power and not using it is less than great.
What if descending wasn't involved? Some people can fly into a rage, but these people can also be as calm and controlled as anyone. I know a guy who I've seen punch holes in walls in rage, but it's not like you can tell by talking to him that he's capable of that. He doesn't walk around acting crazy. There is also no descent, or ascent, into rage for him. It's not there until it is, then it's gone again just as quickly. I imagine if he controlled a dragon and wanted to rule everyone there'd be some burning going on.
"that's my secret Capt... I'm always angry"gameoverman wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:24 pmWhat if descending wasn't involved? Some people can fly into a rage, but these people can also be as calm and controlled as anyone. I know a guy who I've seen punch holes in walls in rage, but it's not like you can tell by talking to him that he's capable of that. He doesn't walk around acting crazy. There is also no descent, or ascent, into rage for him. It's not there until it is, then it's gone again just as quickly. I imagine if he controlled a dragon and wanted to rule everyone there'd be some burning going on.
"He was such a nice man. Nobody could ever imagine he'd shoot up the Sunday school."gameoverman wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:24 pmWhat if descending wasn't involved? Some people can fly into a rage, but these people can also be as calm and controlled as anyone. I know a guy who I've seen punch holes in walls in rage, but it's not like you can tell by talking to him that he's capable of that. He doesn't walk around acting crazy. There is also no descent, or ascent, into rage for him. It's not there until it is, then it's gone again just as quickly. I imagine if he controlled a dragon and wanted to rule everyone there'd be some burning going on.
Time for the 'body of work' awards.Despite its controversial final episodes, HBO’s unstoppable “Game of Thrones” earned 32 Emmy Award nominations on Tuesday morning, including best drama series, and shattered the record for the most nods for a show in a single season.
I thought it was cool all the ladies got nominated! You go girls!!! Doubtful any will win though since I'd imagine they will cancel each other out. Would love to see it go to Maisie Williams though.Isgrimnur wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:01 pm WaPo
Time for the 'body of work' awards.Despite its controversial final episodes, HBO’s unstoppable “Game of Thrones” earned 32 Emmy Award nominations on Tuesday morning, including best drama series, and shattered the record for the most nods for a show in a single season.
I love Lena Headley but did her S8 work really warrant an Emmy nom? She spent most of the season drinking wine and looking out a window.
I think these nominations were more of what they call a "body of work" type for the last chance they have to nominate them. Realistically it's hard for me to imagine Season 8 deserved more nominations than any other drama series ever.
Yeah, it's a bit like when they waited for the LOTR trilogy to finish up to award the movies. To be honest, I'm mixed on that practice of waiting. It's nice to see something finally be recognized, but on the other hand it often puts emphasis on the latest release rather than the best that should be recognized.rittchard wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:43 pmI think these nominations were more of what they call a "body of work" type for the last chance they have to nominate them. Realistically it's hard for me to imagine Season 8 deserved more nominations than any other drama series ever.
Hell, it should have gone to me if that's what it takes.
Bummer. In other semi-related news, remember when DB/Dan crunched down the end of GoT cause they wanted to move on to do Star Wars? Well, they just got canned from Star Wars for the time being.pr0ner wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:12 pm Can't find a thread dedicated to Game of Thrones prequels, but the Naomi Watts led prequel just got canned.
Yeah, I've seen both perspectives, so I can't really tell whether they were allowed to leave Star Wars or 'allowed' to leave Star Wars.
Maybe the lackluster response to the final season made them panic. A prequel would have been in the planning stages before that final season ended. When something doesn't get a good response, sometimes it's a good idea to re-evaluate related projects.pr0ner wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:12 pm Can't find a thread dedicated to Game of Thrones prequels, but the Naomi Watts led prequel just got canned.
All of what you describe is well-established in the books, but I still think the show minimized the risk of her Targaryen madness all along because it (that is, the showrunners) were over-invested in viewers loving Danny from start to (almost) finish. It's the same story with Tyrion, who is far darker and more morally ambiguous in the books than he is in the show.Blackhawk wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 8:48 pm I've spent the last few months rewatching the series with the kids (it's their first viewing, now that they're old enough.) I've been paying very close attention to Daenerys. I've noticed a few trends.
She is sympathetic to people that she identifies with. Those people are very consistently people that she has something directly in common with (she was a sold against her will, thus was sympathetic toward slaves.) Anybody that she didn't personally identify with she could take or leave.
She has two distinct modes: thoughtful and impulsive. Her thoughtful mode was compassionate and very idealistic. It was 'grant freedom', and 'love the people' and she used her force of will and personality to make it happen. But when something went wrong, or when somebody crossed her, she went into impulsive mode. That was consistently an utterly vindictive, violent mode. Several times she gave an order to wipe out whole populations, to crush entire cities. It was only because of a small handful of close advisors that were able to jump in and cool her down that we didn't see near genocide every season or two.
I'm definitely seeing the basis for her season 8 snap being established, especially when she lost two dragons and suffered multiple betrayals, one after another in a short span. It was all there all along. The only thing wrong with season 8 was the way they presented her snap (bells? really? the audience is supposed to grasp that?)
Heh, I never read the books but I did want to see a bit more of Tyrion's dark side. You could see it see it in season 1 but it was abandoned quickly. From the moment Dany's brother was killed, I didn't find her to be all that heroic. I found her to be despotic and not very altruistic at all. Being Fire and Ice, I assumed she was going to be hero and that felt wrong. She had no growth as a character. The moment she became "mother of dragons", her sense of divine entitlement and cruelty made her seem like another villain in a sea of villains to me. That probably says more about me than the story, I guess.Holman wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:44 pm All of what you describe is well-established in the books, but I still think the show minimized the risk of her Targaryen madness all along because it (that is, the showrunners) were over-invested in viewers loving Danny from start to (almost) finish. It's the same story with Tyrion, who is far darker and more morally ambiguous in the books than he is in the show.
Blame it on Emilia and Peter being such charismatic actors and the production team loving them.
I think that most studios would be pretty happy with the massive viewership and awards for Season 8, critical issues aside.Rumpy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 7:57 pmMaybe the lackluster response to the final season made them panic. A prequel would have been in the planning stages before that final season ended. When something doesn't get a good response, sometimes it's a good idea to re-evaluate related projects.pr0ner wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:12 pm Can't find a thread dedicated to Game of Thrones prequels, but the Naomi Watts led prequel just got canned.
I dunno, I kind of think the dynamic is the reverse. People were rooting for Danaerys because Emilia Clarke is awesome and because she had enemies who were unlikeable and clearly morally bad (she spent most of the show fighting slavers, after all). And because people were rooting for Danaerys, they overlooked her occasional brutality and mad king tendencies that the show was hinting at.Holman wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:44 pmAll of what you describe is well-established in the books, but I still think the show minimized the risk of her Targaryen madness all along because it (that is, the showrunners) were over-invested in viewers loving Danny from start to (almost) finish. It's the same story with Tyrion, who is far darker and more morally ambiguous in the books than he is in the show.Blackhawk wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 8:48 pm I've spent the last few months rewatching the series with the kids (it's their first viewing, now that they're old enough.) I've been paying very close attention to Daenerys. I've noticed a few trends.
She is sympathetic to people that she identifies with. Those people are very consistently people that she has something directly in common with (she was a sold against her will, thus was sympathetic toward slaves.) Anybody that she didn't personally identify with she could take or leave.
She has two distinct modes: thoughtful and impulsive. Her thoughtful mode was compassionate and very idealistic. It was 'grant freedom', and 'love the people' and she used her force of will and personality to make it happen. But when something went wrong, or when somebody crossed her, she went into impulsive mode. That was consistently an utterly vindictive, violent mode. Several times she gave an order to wipe out whole populations, to crush entire cities. It was only because of a small handful of close advisors that were able to jump in and cool her down that we didn't see near genocide every season or two.
I'm definitely seeing the basis for her season 8 snap being established, especially when she lost two dragons and suffered multiple betrayals, one after another in a short span. It was all there all along. The only thing wrong with season 8 was the way they presented her snap (bells? really? the audience is supposed to grasp that?)
Blame it on Emilia and Peter being such charismatic actors and the production team loving them.
Yeah, it's not so much the idea that she snapped that many have objected to, but how that was achieved. Season 8, being as short as it was didn't give proper time to establish it, as the season was more concerned with getting to key goalposts and close things out. Had the season been longer, key details such as her downward spiral would have emerged to make the snap seem less like it came out of nowhere.Blackhawk wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 8:48 pm
I'm definitely seeing the basis for her season 8 snap being established, especially when she lost two dragons and suffered multiple betrayals, one after another in a short span. It was all there all along. The only thing wrong with season 8 was the way they presented her snap (bells? really? the audience is supposed to grasp that?)
Oh, I have no doubt about the viewership numbers. It's been their most popular show, afterall, so they had that one locked-in. It's what happens afterwards, the critical reception. It must have given them pause. Although the funny thing is, I've seen Naomi Watts doing the round on talk shows, excited about doing a Game of Thrones prequel.
From what I recall, her brother conspired against her and put her in the situation she was in. So, she rebelled against the oppression.LordMortis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:02 am From the moment Dany's brother was killed, I didn't find her to be all that heroic.