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Re: MLB Season 2019

Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:49 pm
by Octavious
I wonder if the Mets will ever win another game. This is just ridiculous at how bad their bullpen is.

*Edit* Saw this morning that they actually won one. Woo. Break out the fireworks! :lol:

Re: MLB Season 2019

Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 1:29 pm
by El Guapo
I am not a huge fan of the 2019 season thus far. Huge downgrade from 2018.

Though at least the Red Sox have upgraded from "abysmal" to "mediocre".

Re: MLB Season 2019

Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:01 pm
by Isgrimnur
El Guapo wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2019 1:29 pm I am not a huge fan of the 2019 season thus far. Huge downgrade from 2018.

Though at least the Red Sox have upgraded from "abysmal" to "mediocre".
I'm so sorry that 4 games above .500 is unacceptable to you.

Signed,

Over half the majors.

Re: MLB Season 2019

Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:15 pm
by LawBeefaroni
Heck, the White Sox are 3-4 games below an I'm viewing that as Big Success.


And how 'bout that Giolito kid?

Trivia: his dad was (is?) an Executive Producer at Electronic Arts.

Re: MLB Season 2019

Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:41 pm
by El Guapo
Isgrimnur wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:01 pm
El Guapo wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2019 1:29 pm I am not a huge fan of the 2019 season thus far. Huge downgrade from 2018.

Though at least the Red Sox have upgraded from "abysmal" to "mediocre".
I'm so sorry that 4 games above .500 is unacceptable to you.

Signed,

Over half the majors.
Hey, the people of Boston have expectations for their sports teams now.

Also I think ~ .500 would be pretty much the definition of 'mediocre'.

Re: MLB Season 2019

Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:53 pm
by LordMortis
LawBeefaroni wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:15 pm Trivia: his dad was (is?) an Executive Producer at Electronic Arts.
Seeing EA is such a love hate/thing for me. I think are the second 3rd party publisher after activision that I readily recognized and the first I totally fell in love with but later came to dismiss. I was curious what the last EA game I bought was. It looks like it was a GG effect game. I bought Dark Age of Camelot, apparently in 2001 and joined the GG guild for as long as that lasted.

Re: MLB Season 2019

Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 3:13 pm
by Lorini
Red Sox fans, how’s Big Papi doing?

Re: MLB Season 2019

Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 3:24 pm
by El Guapo
Lorini wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2019 3:13 pm Red Sox fans, how’s Big Papi doing?
Seems to be recovering fine - as far as I know he should make a full recovery.

FWIW the current account is that the police think that the assassin was trying to kill Ortiz's cousin, who was sitting next to him.

Re: MLB Season 2019

Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 5:37 pm
by pr0ner
Tyler Skaggs of the LA Angels suddenly passed away today.

Re: MLB Season 2019

Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:48 pm
by Jaymann
pr0ner wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2019 5:37 pm Tyler Skaggs of the LA Angels suddenly passed away today.
WTF?!? He was 27. No details yet.

Re: MLB Season 2019

Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 7:34 pm
by LawBeefaroni
Oof, that sucks.

Remember Darryl Kile?

Re: MLB Season 2019

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:55 pm
by LawBeefaroni
In cursive on his right triceps were the words “City of Angels.” On his right biceps was an unmistakable “LA” logo.

Growing up, he had visions of wearing blue and pitching at Dodger Stadium. He once was a 17-year-old with a loopy curveball, who grew up with a radio soundtrack provided by K-EARTH 101.1 and Power 106 on the radio, as well as Vin Scully’s Dodger broadcasts. He blossomed as a prospect, a tall lefty with an old-school desire to pitch deep into games and the aptitude to adopt new-school methods. He felt snubbed when the Dodgers didn’t take him with the 36th overall pick in the 2009 MLB Draft.

Four picks later, he was an Angel. It was something he grew to love, particularly after getting traded to Arizona in 2010 and back to Anaheim three years later. After struggling through Tommy John surgery and then pitching through injury last year, he was optimistic. He had a date circled on his calendar, a start he planned to petition manager Brad Ausmus to make. He wanted to pitch at Dodger Stadium this month.
The Athletic. Paywall removed for this article.

Re: MLB Season 2019

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:24 am
by Lorini
Four walkoffs in a row for the Dodgers. This last one really was a walk off!! Bottom of the ninth, down 4-3 two outs and the Dodgers walk five consecutive times to win the game. Caught a stream of the Dback's broadcast at the end and they weren't too happy. Holland is a former All Star and a good closer but something went wrong last night.

Re: MLB Season 2019

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:21 am
by Lorini

Re: MLB Season 2019

Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2019 8:14 am
by Lorini
So when the Yankees get to 60 wins, watch ESPN say they were first to 60. I'm not even a Sox fan and ESPN's adulation of the Yankees is real.

Re: MLB Season 2019

Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:16 pm
by Octavious
Very entertaining home run derby. Love the format they have now. Vlad got screwed by all the ties. He would have easily won if he didn’t get tired. Pete was an idiot and picked his cousin to pitch. Still pulled it out in the end though woo. At least Mets fans have something to root for.

Re: MLB Season 2019

Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:30 am
by pr0ner
The Angels threw a combined no hitter in the game where they honored Tyler Skaggs. Seems appropriately poignant.

Re: MLB Season 2019

Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:39 am
by Jaymann
And they were all wearing Skaggs' jersey.

Re: MLB Season 2019

Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 10:58 am
by Lorini
The first pro baseball game was played with a robot calling balls and strikes. Unfortunately the article I read is on theathletic.com which is behind a paywall so you'd need a sub to see it. The robot died temporarily in the middle of the game, but they had (and will have going forward) a human ump behind the plate to take over. Apparently there was a pitch that should have been called a ball but was called a strike, and framing didn't work as well as it does now (personally I hate framing, I compare it to flopping in the NBA which I also hate). Everyone involved except at least one fan was ok with the robot ump. The fan said it takes the arguing out of the game, but honestly I don't watch sports to (seriously) argue.

Re: MLB Season 2019

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 8:08 am
by Lorini
Now we're talkin'! Much better :D

What is wrong with Sale though? Do people think he’s hiding an injury?

Re: MLB Season 2019

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:54 pm
by Octavious
Alonso hit a 474 foot bomb yesterday. I don’t think I’ve seen a more impressive rookie for the Mets ever. Unless he goes on a tear I don’t see him catching Judges record but he’s freaking insane. He almost killed that lady in the 3rd deck.

Re: MLB Season 2019

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:18 pm
by LawBeefaroni
There was a steal of first base in MiLB earlier (this week or last week I think). First pro steal of first base ever, made possible by new experimental rules.



Billy Hamilton, rejoice!

Re: MLB Season 2019

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:14 pm
by Jaymann
LawBeefaroni wrote: Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:18 pm There was a steal of first base in MiLB earlier (this week or last week I think). First pro steal of first base ever, made possible by new experimental rules.
Put simply, if there is a wild pitch or passed ball with no runners on base, the batter is allowed to just go for it. He can steal first!
Seems like (unless you are Albert Puhols slow) batters would go for it on virtually every wild pitch.

Re: MLB Season 2019

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:25 pm
by LawBeefaroni
Time for NHL goalie style pads for catchers!

Re: MLB Season 2019

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:32 pm
by Octavious
I don't get how that's a good rule at all. Hell I don't think in my entire lifetime heard someone suggest anything like that. Solving a problem that nobody ever asked to. :lol: I like how a manager already got tossed for arguing balls and strikes with the automated ump. :mrgreen:

Re: MLB Season 2019

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:37 pm
by ImLawBoy
The rule is stupid, but I don't think you'd always go on a wild pitch. Think about how rare it is for runners to reach on a dropped third strike, even if the ball gets well away from the catcher.

Re: MLB Season 2019

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:41 pm
by Jaymann
ImLawBoy wrote: Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:37 pm The rule is stupid, but I don't think you'd always go on a wild pitch. Think about how rare it is for runners to reach on a dropped third strike, even if the ball gets well away from the catcher.
It probably depends on the field dimensions and speed of the runner. Plus I wonder if you must slide into first.

Re: MLB Season 2019

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:47 pm
by El Guapo
ImLawBoy wrote: Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:37 pm The rule is stupid, but I don't think you'd always go on a wild pitch. Think about how rare it is for runners to reach on a dropped third strike, even if the ball gets well away from the catcher.
They should abolish the "you can run to first on a dropped third strike" rule, which makes no goddamn sense. Letting them run on wild pitches / passed balls makes a little more sense, though I'm inclined to oppose that too.

Re: MLB Season 2019

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:58 pm
by ImLawBoy
I think the theory behind the dropped third strike rule is that an out must be made with the ball in a glove. If you don't catch the third strike, you haven't completed the out so the batter is entitled to run. At that point to complete the play you need to retire the runner. I don't have a strong opinion on it either way, but there is some logic behind it (even if it's not 100% consistent - foul bunt with two strikes is an out comes to mind).

Re: MLB Season 2019

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:41 pm
by pr0ner
ImLawBoy wrote: Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:58 pm I think the theory behind the dropped third strike rule is that an out must be made with the ball in a glove. If you don't catch the third strike, you haven't completed the out so the batter is entitled to run. At that point to complete the play you need to retire the runner. I don't have a strong opinion on it either way, but there is some logic behind it (even if it's not 100% consistent - foul bunt with two strikes is an out comes to mind).
This is why catchers have tons of putouts in their fielding record.

Re: MLB Season 2019

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:45 pm
by naednek
This one is for you Lorini. I had a good chuckle!

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Re: MLB Season 2019

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:05 pm
by Lorini
Hey I see the Giants are moving up the ranks! Well! Maybe you'll keep Madbum after all :)

In other news, the bullpen shits the bed yet again. The YouTube game was cool, nice to be able to watch it on my phone.

Re: MLB Season 2019

Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:05 am
by El Guapo
ImLawBoy wrote: Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:58 pm I think the theory behind the dropped third strike rule is that an out must be made with the ball in a glove. If you don't catch the third strike, you haven't completed the out so the batter is entitled to run. At that point to complete the play you need to retire the runner. I don't have a strong opinion on it either way, but there is some logic behind it (even if it's not 100% consistent - foul bunt with two strikes is an out comes to mind).
Yeah, and you can tag someone with just the ball, not a glove. Or if a runner passes the runner ahead of him, then they're both out, regardless of where the ball is. Or fan interference. It...doesn't make any sense at all. And for that matter it also bothers me that on the rare occasion when the runner makes it to first base on a dropped third strike, it still counts as a strikeout on the record even though the runner is not out.

Re: MLB Season 2019

Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:12 am
by ImLawBoy
El Guapo wrote: Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:05 am
ImLawBoy wrote: Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:58 pm I think the theory behind the dropped third strike rule is that an out must be made with the ball in a glove. If you don't catch the third strike, you haven't completed the out so the batter is entitled to run. At that point to complete the play you need to retire the runner. I don't have a strong opinion on it either way, but there is some logic behind it (even if it's not 100% consistent - foul bunt with two strikes is an out comes to mind).
Yeah, and you can tag someone with just the ball, not a glove.
Ball in possession, whether in a glove or in hand. That's the least odd exception.
El Guapo wrote:And for that matter it also bothers me that on the rare occasion when the runner makes it to first base on a dropped third strike, it still counts as a strikeout on the record even though the runner is not out.
That's my favorite part of it! I'm still waiting for that elusive 5 strikeout inning!

Re: MLB Season 2019

Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:15 am
by El Guapo
ImLawBoy wrote: Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:12 am
El Guapo wrote: Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:05 am
ImLawBoy wrote: Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:58 pm I think the theory behind the dropped third strike rule is that an out must be made with the ball in a glove. If you don't catch the third strike, you haven't completed the out so the batter is entitled to run. At that point to complete the play you need to retire the runner. I don't have a strong opinion on it either way, but there is some logic behind it (even if it's not 100% consistent - foul bunt with two strikes is an out comes to mind).
Yeah, and you can tag someone with just the ball, not a glove.
Ball in possession, whether in a glove or in hand. That's the least odd exception.
El Guapo wrote:And for that matter it also bothers me that on the rare occasion when the runner makes it to first base on a dropped third strike, it still counts as a strikeout on the record even though the runner is not out.
That's my favorite part of it! I'm still waiting for that elusive 5 strikeout inning!
Look. you said "must be made with the ball in a glove". These are all examples of outs where the ball was not in a glove. I agree that it's the least inconsistent, but it's still inconsistent.

And why stop at five strikeouts? Couldn't you have an infinite number of strikeouts, if you've got a great pitcher but an incredibly shitty catcher? Every hitter could repeatedly strikeout, have the ball dropped, and run to first base, while all the current runners advance. Go for a 100 strikeout inning.

And how can it be called a strikeout without an out? Shouldn't it be a strikein? Or a strikenotout?

Re: MLB Season 2019

Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:18 am
by ImLawBoy
El Guapo wrote: Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:15 am
ImLawBoy wrote: Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:12 am
El Guapo wrote: Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:05 am
ImLawBoy wrote: Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:58 pm I think the theory behind the dropped third strike rule is that an out must be made with the ball in a glove. If you don't catch the third strike, you haven't completed the out so the batter is entitled to run. At that point to complete the play you need to retire the runner. I don't have a strong opinion on it either way, but there is some logic behind it (even if it's not 100% consistent - foul bunt with two strikes is an out comes to mind).
Yeah, and you can tag someone with just the ball, not a glove.
Ball in possession, whether in a glove or in hand. That's the least odd exception.
El Guapo wrote:And for that matter it also bothers me that on the rare occasion when the runner makes it to first base on a dropped third strike, it still counts as a strikeout on the record even though the runner is not out.
That's my favorite part of it! I'm still waiting for that elusive 5 strikeout inning!
Look. you said "must be made with the ball in a glove". These are all examples of outs where the ball was not in a glove. I agree that it's the least inconsistent, but it's still inconsistent.
Yes, and I corrected it my response to you. I should have originally said "must be made with the ball in your possession." Believe it or not, I don't always triple check my posts for absolute clarity before posting them. Purple monkey dishwasher.

Re: MLB Season 2019

Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:20 am
by LawBeefaroni
El Guapo wrote: Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:15 am

And why stop at five strikeouts? Couldn't you have an infinite number of strikeouts, if you've got a great pitcher but an incredibly shitty catcher? Every hitter could repeatedly strikeout, have the ball dropped, and run to first base, while all the current runners advance. Go for a 100 strikeout inning.

And how can it be called a strikeout without an out? Shouldn't it be a strikein? Or a strikenotout?
It can only happens with first base unoccupied OR if first base is occupied, 2 outs. So it's kind of limited. And if it's the 2 out scenario then the force applies as usual so with bases loaded it would be hard not to get an actual out.

Re: MLB Season 2019

Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:26 am
by El Guapo
ImLawBoy wrote: Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:18 am
El Guapo wrote: Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:15 am
ImLawBoy wrote: Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:12 am
El Guapo wrote: Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:05 am
ImLawBoy wrote: Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:58 pm I think the theory behind the dropped third strike rule is that an out must be made with the ball in a glove. If you don't catch the third strike, you haven't completed the out so the batter is entitled to run. At that point to complete the play you need to retire the runner. I don't have a strong opinion on it either way, but there is some logic behind it (even if it's not 100% consistent - foul bunt with two strikes is an out comes to mind).
Yeah, and you can tag someone with just the ball, not a glove.
Ball in possession, whether in a glove or in hand. That's the least odd exception.
El Guapo wrote:And for that matter it also bothers me that on the rare occasion when the runner makes it to first base on a dropped third strike, it still counts as a strikeout on the record even though the runner is not out.
That's my favorite part of it! I'm still waiting for that elusive 5 strikeout inning!
Look. you said "must be made with the ball in a glove". These are all examples of outs where the ball was not in a glove. I agree that it's the least inconsistent, but it's still inconsistent.
Yes, and I corrected it my response to you. I should have originally said "must be made with the ball in your possession." Believe it or not, I don't always triple check my posts for absolute clarity before posting them. Purple monkey dishwasher.
Anyway, the point is that you can have outs without the ball in the defensive team's possession (e.g., one runner passes another). And if that's the case, then that's not really a reason to have the dropped third strike rule.

Re: MLB Season 2019

Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:28 am
by El Guapo
LawBeefaroni wrote: Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:20 am
El Guapo wrote: Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:15 am

And why stop at five strikeouts? Couldn't you have an infinite number of strikeouts, if you've got a great pitcher but an incredibly shitty catcher? Every hitter could repeatedly strikeout, have the ball dropped, and run to first base, while all the current runners advance. Go for a 100 strikeout inning.

And how can it be called a strikeout without an out? Shouldn't it be a strikein? Or a strikenotout?
It can only happens with first base unoccupied OR if first base is occupied, 2 outs. So it's kind of limited. And if it's the 2 out scenario then the force applies as usual so with bases loaded it would be hard not to get an actual out.
Oh, ok. So it is limited to five strikeouts then.

So far the "you could get a five strikeout inning" seems to be the best argument for the rule.

Re: MLB Season 2019

Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:31 am
by ImLawBoy
El Guapo wrote: Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:26 am
ImLawBoy wrote: Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:18 am
El Guapo wrote: Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:15 am
ImLawBoy wrote: Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:12 am
El Guapo wrote: Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:05 am
ImLawBoy wrote: Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:58 pm I think the theory behind the dropped third strike rule is that an out must be made with the ball in a glove. If you don't catch the third strike, you haven't completed the out so the batter is entitled to run. At that point to complete the play you need to retire the runner. I don't have a strong opinion on it either way, but there is some logic behind it (even if it's not 100% consistent - foul bunt with two strikes is an out comes to mind).
Yeah, and you can tag someone with just the ball, not a glove.
Ball in possession, whether in a glove or in hand. That's the least odd exception.
El Guapo wrote:And for that matter it also bothers me that on the rare occasion when the runner makes it to first base on a dropped third strike, it still counts as a strikeout on the record even though the runner is not out.
That's my favorite part of it! I'm still waiting for that elusive 5 strikeout inning!
Look. you said "must be made with the ball in a glove". These are all examples of outs where the ball was not in a glove. I agree that it's the least inconsistent, but it's still inconsistent.
Yes, and I corrected it my response to you. I should have originally said "must be made with the ball in your possession." Believe it or not, I don't always triple check my posts for absolute clarity before posting them. Purple monkey dishwasher.
Anyway, the point is that you can have outs without the ball in the defensive team's possession (e.g., one runner passes another). And if that's the case, then that's not really a reason to have the dropped third strike rule.
Rules are allowed to have exceptions. Kind of like a foul ball on strike two is not strike three, except for bunt attempts.