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[Movie] Terminator: Dark Fate

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Post by Jaymann » Thu May 23, 2019 10:05 pm

Interesting. Is the kid from T2 in it?
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Re: [Movie] Terminator: Dark Fate

Post by El Guapo » Fri May 24, 2019 10:40 am

So Arnold is an old robot in this?

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Post by hepcat » Fri May 24, 2019 10:48 am

I think they covered that in Genisys (yes, yes...I saw it...save your teasing for later). Here's a quote from Cameron himself on the subject:
"I pointed out that the outer covering [of the Terminator] was actually not synthetic, that it was organic and therefore could age. You could theoretically have a Terminator that was sent back in time, missed his target, and ended up just kind of living on in society. Because he is a learning computer and has a brain as a central processor he could actually become more human as he went along without getting discovered."
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Re: [Movie] Terminator: Dark Fate

Post by wonderpug » Fri May 24, 2019 11:39 am

El Guapo wrote:
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So Arnold is an old robot in this?
It isn't unprecedented.

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Re: [Movie] Terminator: Dark Fate

Post by Rumpy » Fri May 24, 2019 12:51 pm

My problem with the Terminator movies is that because T2 was super popular is that every movie following has wanted to go back and revisit those key moments. They've all been about wanting to go back and fix and forget the previous tries. They trotted that very same excuse with the whole premise of Genisys. The only one that actively tried to distance itself from all that and was better for it was Salvation. It actively showed us a different part of the franchise they we never ended up seeing because they were all normally too keen on revisiting. So, what happens with these movies is that it creates a sort of Groundhog Day scenario. You have movies that want to go back and fix while producers never really know what to fix and so they never end up learning from their mistakes. Rinse and Repeat. The other issue is, I think the franchise needs to take a long break. These movies have come out in too quick a succession and they all seem too desperate.
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Post by hepcat » Fri May 24, 2019 1:37 pm

2.1 The Terminator (1984)
2.2 Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991)
2.3 Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines (2003)
2.4 Terminator Salvation (2009)
2.5 Terminator Genisys (2015)
2.6 Terminator: Dark Fate (2019)

I don't know if I'd accuse them of coming out in "too quick a succession" myself.
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Post by Rumpy » Fri May 24, 2019 3:10 pm

Well, in terms of production time and release, maybe not. But it certainly feels like it. There was more of a gap between T1 & T2 and Salvation & Genisys. But others have felt like they've gone into production right after they've figured out they need another movie to fix what the previous movie was supposed to fix.
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Post by El Guapo » Fri May 24, 2019 3:27 pm

And the key point is that it does feel like we've done this before - terminator sent to kill someone key to saving humanity, Sarah Connor has to protect herself / them, friendly machine dealing with identity / self-awareness issues, etc.

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Post by hepcat » Fri May 24, 2019 3:28 pm

That I can agree with. Why they don't send a Terminator back to fix the 2012 Super Bowl, or kill the people behind New Coke is beyond me.

But all joking aside, yeah...that plot was stale 3 movies ago. What really sticks out for me is that James Cameron made the sequel to Alien...and completely tossed out the original formula to make something completely different and fresh. I haven't seen Dark Fate, but it sure seems like he's not doing that here (in his capacity as a writer).
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Re: [Movie] Terminator: Dark Fate

Post by El Guapo » Fri May 24, 2019 3:53 pm

You know what would be great, is if they made a movie where a terminator went back in time to kill Paste Pot Pete.

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Post by hepcat » Fri May 24, 2019 4:00 pm

Toulouse-Lautrec Paste Pot Pete?

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or hip purple rain era Paste Pot Pete?

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Re: [Movie] Terminator: Dark Fate

Post by gameoverman » Fri May 24, 2019 7:03 pm

I think what took the Terminator franchise offtrack is the same thing that took the Alien franchise offtrack. The first movie in each franchise was a horror movie. The second one was directed by James Cameron, the master of action, and was an action movie.

If you're following those up you need to come up with either a good horror movie because those are relatively easier/cheaper to do, or a good NOT pure action movie. No one is going to make a better action oriented Terminator movie than James Cameron. So if anyone tries then you already know the movie is going to suck by comparison. And they all have to one degree or another.

Hopefully this Deadpool guy can bring a similar vibe to this Terminator movie. It would certainly make the movie stand out from the others without trying to copy T2.

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Re: [Movie] Terminator: Dark Fate

Post by Jeff V » Fri May 24, 2019 7:20 pm

Your calculus is off. Will another movie in the franchise make money even if the likes of Uwe Boll directs? If the answer is yes, then it gets done. Disenfranchised series geeks are acceptable collateral damage because they've proven that since they've invested so much into it, they will never abandon and always show up for the next one. How else did Star Wars survive Ep.1?
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Re: [Movie] Terminator: Dark Fate

Post by El Guapo » Fri May 24, 2019 10:37 pm

hepcat wrote:
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Toulouse-Lautrec Paste Pot Pete?

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or hip purple rain era Paste Pot Pete?

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I would say both.

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Post by Daehawk » Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:44 pm

I thought I was clear on the plot as it would be a direct sequel to T1 and T2 and the others didn't exist. But Sarah seems to want to kill Arni so that wouldn't make sense. Not sure after all these trailers whats going on. I know I dont like the new enhanced girl at all..so far. Movie also is kinda a sign of the times will the girl power stuff..girls good guys bad in a way.
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Post by Kraken » Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:59 pm

I'll probably see it eventually. I think I've seen all of the Terminator movies. They all blur together in my memory so I'm not the kind of viewer who insists on (or even recognizes) canon.

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Re: [Movie] Terminator: Dark Fate

Post by Rumpy » Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:16 pm

Revisiting Judgement Day. Again. *yawn*
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Re: [Movie] Terminator: Dark Fate

Post by Scraper » Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:14 am

I'll admit that Terminator Salvation is a guilty pleasure or mine. Every time I see it on TV I watch at least part of it. Can't say the same for part 3 or Genesis.
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Re: [Movie] Terminator: Dark Fate

Post by hepcat » Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:08 am

Rumpy wrote:
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Revisiting Judgement Day. Again. *yawn*
I love Judgement Day. Cameron was at the top of his game.
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Re: [Movie] Terminator: Dark Fate

Post by Sudy » Mon Sep 16, 2019 12:43 pm

I'm sorry, I'm sold. Does it look like a retread? Totally. But... it's a formula now. I loved (well, really enjoyed) the last two Alien movies too. I WILL NOT APOLOGIZE. (Except at the beginning of this post.)

I was even OK with Genisys... for its first half. Though I'm still really pissed about the major spoiler in the trailer. And I do admit having all these different T-800 Arnolds is getting stupid/confusing (even though all films aren't in the same continuity).

Also, Mackenzie Davis is amazing. (See: Halt and Catch Fire.)
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Re: [Movie] Terminator: Dark Fate

Post by Rumpy » Mon Sep 16, 2019 1:32 pm

hepcat wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:08 am
Rumpy wrote:
Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:16 pm
Revisiting Judgement Day. Again. *yawn*
I love Judgement Day. Cameron was at the top of his game.
The movie itself is fine. I have no qualms about the movie. I'm speaking about every Terminator movie going back to revisit those events to try to fix things, as stated in my post up above. Genisys was trying to fix what came about in Salvation, and now this movie is doing the same thing to fix the damage caused by Genisys. It's getting to be a little ridiculous. Somehow everything in the world revolves around Judgement Day, as if there's nothing else that they could possibly explore. The whole franchise has become one giant meme at this point.
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Re: [Movie] Terminator: Dark Fate

Post by Kraken » Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:02 pm

Sudy wrote:
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Also, Mackenzie Davis is amazing. (See: Halt and Catch Fire.)
And The Martian. Unfortunately, she couldn't carry Izzy Gets the F**k Across Town.

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