The Batman - Robert Pattinson

Hyena · Post by **Hyena** » Wed Feb 19, 2020 3:31 pm

I agree, Hep. Also another he did that was incredible (both for his acting and for...other reasons in the plot) is the movie Remember Me. I went into it not wanting to see it at all, but I was drawn in by his character and acting. I was impressed. I look forward to seeing it, and I'm a Marvel guy.

dbt1949 · Post by **dbt1949** » Wed Feb 19, 2020 6:53 pm

I'm afraid I don't care for him much. Looks like no new Batman for me!

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Fri Feb 21, 2020 6:52 pm

Better batsuit images have been leaked:

Spoiler:

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Fri Feb 21, 2020 6:58 pm

Actually, the eyes might be something else entirely - practical safety equipment, given that they were just shooting a motorcycle chase. They might just be part of the stuntman's kit and/or part of a special stunt cowl and not intended for close up viewing.

YellowKing · Post by **YellowKing** » Sat Feb 22, 2020 12:35 pm

Looks good. Now let's just hope he doesn't mimic the ridiculous Christian Bale voice.

Hyena · Post by **Hyena** » Sun Feb 23, 2020 1:07 pm

Yeah, that's gotta be the stuntman, or Pattinson put on about 100 lbs of solid muscle.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Sun Feb 23, 2020 1:39 pm

I also looked again at the released batsuit test footage. No lenses.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:59 pm

Batmobile images were released a few days ago:

Spoiler:

Hyena · Post by **Hyena** » Sat Mar 07, 2020 1:41 pm

The hell? Is that based on the body of an old 60's camaro? Do we know the timeline of this movie? How far into his "bat career" is this? Hopefully it's not another origin story.

YellowKing · Post by **YellowKing** » Sat Mar 07, 2020 5:47 pm

I'm not super crazy about the new Batmobile design. It looks like Batman spends his off hours cruising down by the lake trying to pick up chicks.

Maybe if Matthew Mcconaughey was playing Batman it would fit.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:03 pm

I love it. I want one. I hated the tumbler.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Sat Aug 22, 2020 10:39 pm

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Sat Aug 22, 2020 10:46 pm

Ok wow I really like it. The more simple look appeals to me. The car, the bad guys, the costumes other than his.....but his boots looks simple. Liked it all.

I was used to Batman 60s when we went to see Batman in 89. The car surprised me and I wasn't a fan. Not really liked any of them. The Tumbler was pretty cool but it didn't strike me as a Batman ride. Too slow..not agile. This one is great.

Also like his look. A younger Batman...bout time. To me it almost looks like a parallel world Batman.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:13 am

I agree, I like the gritty, earthy vibe. I thought it was stupid to pit Batman against Superman. He's not magical, he's just a badass man. Much more interested in this than Wonder Woman.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 1:40 am

I'll give the unpopular opinion - I hope they don't go the Nolan route and remove the comic book elements completely. Street level is good. Believable is good. But don't take all of the superhero/supernatural elements out entirely. It's part of what makes Batman Batman. He lives in a world that doesn't make complete sense in comparison with ours, with villains who are immortals (Ra's), monsters (Man Bat, Killer Croc, Grundy), and supernatural (Poison Ivy, Clayface.)

We did that once, went and saw what Batman would be like if he were in the real world. We've done the opposite in the 80s and 90s with camp. What I'd love to see is something in between, something believable without ignoring half of what defines Batman's world.

Sudy · Post by **Sudy** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:48 am

That was surprisingly sedate. I'm cautiously optimistic. I'm fine with Pattinson. I'd still be more interested in an old, worn-out Batman though. Jeffrey Wright looks good.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 1:21 pm

The car kinda reminds me of an old modified Lambo or a Pantera with a crazy engine.

There at the very end when he takes off the mask he looks like a Robin or Nightwing to me. Maybe its the eye makeup or age.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 1:28 pm

Daehawk wrote: ↑Sat Aug 22, 2020 10:46 pm Also like his look. A younger Batman...bout time. To me it almost looks like a parallel world Batman.

Christian Bale was younger than Pattinson when he first played Batman.

Rumpy · Post by **Rumpy** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 3:34 pm

Jaymann wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:13 am I thought it was stupid to pit Batman against Superman.

Well, definitely not the way Snyder's done it. Yes, it was terribly stupid to pit them together rather than help each other. There really was no point as it was completely senseless. Kevin J. Anderson wrote a fun book called Enemies & Allies that has Batman and Superman teaming up during the Cold War, and I would have preferred seeing something like that on the screen compared to what we got.

This Batman? Eh well, as Bruce Wayne he looks rather emo and that hairstyle they gave him doesn't help. Not to mention Batman beating that guy senseless.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 5:05 pm

Bats vs Supes has been done many times in the comics, including the story that BvS was heavily inspired by. They have reasons not to trust each other. They also eventually end up as best friends.

That doesn't mean it doesn't need good writing to work.

Grifman · Post by **Grifman** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 6:25 pm

It's just a trailer but I thought that looked amazingly good. Here's hoping.

Rumpy · Post by **Rumpy** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:32 pm

Blackhawk wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 5:05 pm They have reasons not to trust each other. They also eventually end up as best friends.

Well, I think that goes without saying. I can understand trust issues, but It's just that the Snyder version just straight up pits them against each other without first attempting to work together, and it was only at the end of that movie that they decided to put their differences aside, which rubbed me the wrong way.

YellowKing · Post by **YellowKing** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:16 pm

A few thoughts about the Batman trailer:

- Jeffrey Wright as Commissioner Gordon - hells yes. I absolutely love him. In a weird bit of trivia, he also looks exactly like a black version of my brother-in-law. It's somewhat uncanny.

- Pattinson looks great. I think he's going to silence the haters with this performance. And no weird Bale growl. Love it.

- Changed my mind about the Batmobile. It's definitely grown on me.

- Overall looks like they stuck with Nolan's dark grittiness, but I'm hoping the introduction of Penguin and Riddler (even dark versions) softens it enough to provide just the right balance.

dbt1949 · Post by **dbt1949** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:23 pm

My initial impression is negative. However I'll have a pretty much open mind when I see it the first time.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:02 pm

From io9, The Batman Will Find the Caped Crusader at a Pivotal Moment in His Heroic Evolution:

“The idea is that we’re in Year Two, it’s the Gotham Experiment. It’s a criminological experiment. He’s trying to figure out sort of what he can do that can finally change this place. And in our story, as he’s in that mode, that’s where you meet him...and he’s seeing that he’s not having any of the effect that he wants to have yet, and that is when the murders start to happen,” Reeves said. “And then the murders begin to describe sort of the history of Gotham in a way that only reinforces what he knows about Gotham, but it opens up a whole new world of corruption that went much farther. But as that story starts to come out, without being an origin tale for him, it ends up being something that touches on his origins. So you start to see that, as it starts to describe this epic history of corruption in Gotham, that you start to understand, ‘Well, where did my family sit in that?’”

I'm glad they're committed to not doing *another* origin story. That alone makes me more interested.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:22 pm

Who’s playing Bat Mite in this one?

Grifman · Post by **Grifman** » Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:14 am

Rumpy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:32 pm
Blackhawk wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 5:05 pm They have reasons not to trust each other. They also eventually end up as best friends.
Well, I think that goes without saying. I can understand trust issues, but It's just that the Snyder version just straight up pits them against each other without first attempting to work together, and it was only at the end of that movie that they decided to put their differences aside, which rubbed me the wrong way.

It really would have worked better in a later movie. Have them develop a deep friendship, then have something happen that tears that apart. Something like that would have had a greater emotional impact.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:16 am

I still remember reading in the comics when the Justice League found that Batman had detailed plans locked away, including the stockpiled weapons, for killing each of them. I mean, Batman carries a kryptonite ring in his utility belt at all times.

Anyway, I also wanted to remind everyone that this show is getting a prequel series on HBO Max, too. The film is supposed to be after he's established, while the show takes place just as he arrives and beings his crusade. The impression I've gotten is that Batman's a background character in the show rather than its focus.

EvilHomer3k · Post by **EvilHomer3k** » Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:57 am

It looked pretty good. The dark and gritty nature are well done. Didn't see much of Pattinson but it wasn't bad. I am one who likes this version of the batmobile. Not that I'd hate the movie based on the car but I like it. Also, the villains seem to be well done. The voice over during the trailer are fantastic and the music is good. For me, everything seems to fit well together and really works as a whole. If the movie is as good as the trailer I am going to really enjoy it.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:05 am

I really do like the batmobile from what I've seen of it so far. The live action versions we've gotten have been more and more outlandish over the years.

Rumpy · Post by **Rumpy** » Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:31 pm

Grifman wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:14 am
Rumpy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:32 pm
Blackhawk wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 5:05 pm They have reasons not to trust each other. They also eventually end up as best friends.
Well, I think that goes without saying. I can understand trust issues, but It's just that the Snyder version just straight up pits them against each other without first attempting to work together, and it was only at the end of that movie that they decided to put their differences aside, which rubbed me the wrong way.
It really would have worked better in a later movie. Have them develop a deep friendship, then have something happen that tears that apart. Something like that would have had a greater emotional impact.

Yeah, exactly. It would have helped to have some development leading to the conflict, but as it is, the movie just seemed to exist for them to butt-heads. It could have been a good opportunity to explore their differences, but instead they were aggressive towards each other right off the bat. Yes, pun intended.

EvilHomer3k · Post by **EvilHomer3k** » Mon Aug 24, 2020 2:19 pm

Blackhawk wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:05 am I really do like the batmobile from what I've seen of it so far. The live action versions we've gotten have been more and more outlandish over the years.

It's nice to see one that's based on an actual car rather than something dreamed up by an artist. It feels more real that way.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Mon Aug 24, 2020 3:42 pm

Rumpy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:31 pm
Yeah, exactly. It would have helped to have some development leading to the conflict, but as it is, the movie just seemed to exist for them to butt-heads. It could have been a good opportunity to explore their differences, but instead they were aggressive towards each other right off the bat. Yes, pun intended.

Ala Cp'n America: Civil War

FWIW, the original story that inspired that whole film (Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns) did exactly that. They were well known to each other, and they fought after Reagan sent Superman to arrest Batman (it was very metaphorical, and very relevant to what we're seeing today with Trump sending federal troops to deal with citizens fighting for their safety.) The outcome of the fight was similar, although the resolution was very different.

I think a lot of what they were going for in the early DCEU was inspired by the New 52 continuity in which all of DC history got 'erased' (thanks, Flash.) In that the Justice League all met as strangers for the first time and none of them liked - or trusted - each other. Batman and Green Lantern almost threw down, then Superman showed up and beat the snot out of both of them until the Flash showed up and smacked Superman across town (you get the idea.) The big difference was that this happened in the middle of an attack and nobody knew who was friend or foe. It made sense when enemies that none of them knew were attacking left and right and suddenly another dangerous looking stranger plops down that they might be at each others' throats. Thankfully that whole continuity got undone (thanks, different Flash), but it did leave us with this fantastic interaction:

Spoiler:

Anyway, the premise could work, the idea of these strangers meeting but it needed better writing, by which I mean a completely different plot.

Rumpy · Post by **Rumpy** » Mon Aug 24, 2020 4:23 pm

Blackhawk wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 3:42 pm
Rumpy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:31 pm
Yeah, exactly. It would have helped to have some development leading to the conflict, but as it is, the movie just seemed to exist for them to butt-heads. It could have been a good opportunity to explore their differences, but instead they were aggressive towards each other right off the bat. Yes, pun intended.
Ala Cp'n America: Civil War

FWIW, the original story that inspired that whole film (Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns) did exactly that. They were well known to each other, and they fought after Reagan sent Superman to arrest Batman (it was very metaphorical, and very relevant to what we're seeing today with Trump sending federal troops to deal with citizens fighting for their safety.) The outcome of the fight was similar, although the resolution was very different.

Well, make no mistake, I understand the intent. I just disagree with the execution. What I liked about the Kevin J. Anderson story was that they were more or less still new to the superhero game and they were still figuring themselves out, and while they did distrust each other after meeting for the first time, they knew they had to work together. It was more than just a story of butting heads, it was a story of working together.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Mon Aug 24, 2020 4:40 pm

Rumpy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 4:23 pm
Blackhawk wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 3:42 pm
Rumpy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:31 pm
Yeah, exactly. It would have helped to have some development leading to the conflict, but as it is, the movie just seemed to exist for them to butt-heads. It could have been a good opportunity to explore their differences, but instead they were aggressive towards each other right off the bat. Yes, pun intended.
Ala Cp'n America: Civil War

FWIW, the original story that inspired that whole film (Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns) did exactly that. They were well known to each other, and they fought after Reagan sent Superman to arrest Batman (it was very metaphorical, and very relevant to what we're seeing today with Trump sending federal troops to deal with citizens fighting for their safety.) The outcome of the fight was similar, although the resolution was very different.
Well, make no mistake, I understand the intent. I just disagree with the execution. What I liked about the Kevin J. Anderson story was that they were more or less still new to the superhero game and they were still figuring themselves out, and while they did distrust each other after meeting for the first time, they knew they had to work together. It was more than just a story of butting heads, it was a story of working together.

I think you and I are actually agreeing here. The execution was awful.

Rumpy · Post by **Rumpy** » Mon Aug 24, 2020 6:42 pm

Ok, yeah, it could have used a bit more story. I felt like it was a missed an opportunity to tell a really neat story.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Mon Aug 24, 2020 7:07 pm

Yep. Marvel made stories that had superhero fight scenes in them. DC (through Justice League) made superhero fight scenes with story in them.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Thu Sep 03, 2020 6:07 pm

Robert Pattinson reportedly has COVID-19, and The Batman has halted production

The movie had just started production again in London

Rumpy · Post by **Rumpy** » Thu Sep 03, 2020 7:39 pm

Blackhawk wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 7:07 pm Yep. Marvel made stories that had superhero fight scenes in them. DC (through Justice League) made superhero fight scenes with story in them.

Ironically, I feel the reverse, particularly now. I've been digging Supergirl as I feel it harkens back to the tone and heart of the Reeves Superman movies and I'm really liking the development in that series. I'm not much of a fan of the MCU as I feel that the more it's progressed, the more it's been 'superhero fight scenes with story in them'. Meanwhile, I much prefer movies like the Sam Raimi/Tobey Maguire Spiderman movies to the newer ones, again because of story development and heart. Newer movies don't seem to be as well done, IMHO.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Thu Sep 03, 2020 7:56 pm

Rumpy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 7:39 pm'. Meanwhile, I much prefer movies like the Sam Raimi/Tobey Maguire Spiderman movies to the newer ones, again because of story development and heart. Newer movies don't seem to be as well done, IMHO.

I want to agree with you 100 percent but Tom Holland is the one thing keeping from doing so. He really is great as Peter Parker.