[Skepticism] NFL 2020 Season

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:19 pm

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Falcons place rookie DL Marlon Davidson on reserve-COVID-19 list.

Jeff V · Post by **Jeff V** » Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:45 pm

The Bears also announced a practice squad guy tested positive.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:53 pm

Spoiler:
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter · 1m
Jets released Le’Veon Bell.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:59 pm

stessier wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:53 pm

Spoiler:
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter · 1m
Jets released Le’Veon Bell.

has he passed through the Raiders yet?

Jeff V · Post by **Jeff V** » Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:05 pm

stessier wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:53 pm

Spoiler:
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter · 1m
Jets released Le’Veon Bell.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:06 pm

ESPN

Bell, apparently unhappy with his role in coach Adam Gase's offense, has $6 million remaining on his 2020 salary -- fully guaranteed.
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Bell has disappointed since signing a four-year, $52.5 million contract last year, as he has averaged only 3.3 yards per carry with the Jets -- 51st out of 53 qualifying runners in the NFL during that span.

After Sunday's 30-10 loss to the Arizona Cardinals, Bell refused to speak with the media but "liked" several tweets that suggested he should be traded because Gase has misused him. On Monday, Gase made it clear he didn't appreciate Bell's method of communication.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:52 pm

I don't really understand why any major free agents sign with the Jets.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:19 pm

El Guapo wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:52 pm I don't really understand why any major free agents sign with the Jets.

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pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:36 am

Poor Josh Norman.

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:10 am

pr0ner wrote:Poor Josh Norman.

It was an apt metaphor for what the entire Titans team did to the entire Bills team.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:13 am

Jaymann wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:19 pm
El Guapo wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:52 pm I don't really understand why any major free agents sign with the Jets.
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I know, but I'm thinking specifically of major free agents like L'Veon Bell, who presumably also had significant money offers from other teams. Even assuming that the Jets number was the highest, wouldn't it be better to take like 90% of the money with a competent team that will put you in a position to succeed?

Ralph-Wiggum · Post by **Ralph-Wiggum** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:53 am

Considering Bell held out a year for a team that could have potentially been competing for a championship, I'm thinking he's mainly motivated by getting as much as he can rather than winning.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:17 am

El Guapo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:13 am
Jaymann wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:19 pm
El Guapo wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:52 pm I don't really understand why any major free agents sign with the Jets.
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I know, but I'm thinking specifically of major free agents like L'Veon Bell, who presumably also had significant money offers from other teams. Even assuming that the Jets number was the highest, wouldn't it be better to take like 90% of the money with a competent team that will put you in a position to succeed?

As I recall, no one even came close to the Jets offer. This article from the time only names San Fran made a competitive offer (with no details) while noting other teams were interested.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:54 pm

No Pro-Bowl this year. Please try to find a way to carry on.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:14 am

RunningMn9 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 10:45 am Everyone else seems to be handling their shit. The season has been fine for everyone not in the Pats/Titans orbit.

Add the Falcons.

Spoiler:

It's almost like we're dealing with a highly infectious disease and it's only a matter of time.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:25 am

I thought that the Falcons stopped playing competitive football weeks ago.

Jaymon · Post by **Jaymon** » Sun Oct 18, 2020 2:19 pm

But are they still playing situational football, making splash plays, or controlling the flow of the game?

Ralph-Wiggum · Post by **Ralph-Wiggum** » Sun Oct 18, 2020 2:47 pm

They play competitive football for 3 quarters just to see how badly they can collapse in the fourth.

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:21 pm

I want to know how Howie Long never ages.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:40 pm

Philip Rivers makes his first 4th quarter winning drive in 27 years.

I find myself rooting for the Packers for the first time in this millennium.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:59 pm

Congratulations to the staff at The Meadowlands on witnessing the first home win since February 29th by the New York Guardians .

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:49 pm

Spoiler:

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:22 am

Added bonus is Flacco getting shut out.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:52 am

Lorini · Post by **Lorini** » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:08 am

Just shows how little yards really matter.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:20 am

Lorini wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:08 am Just shows how little yards really matter.

Case in point: Philip Rivers is #6 and he has never won anything. Mostly it's a measure of longevity.

The Meal · Post by **The Meal** » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:26 am

Jaymann wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:20 am
Lorini wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:08 am Just shows how little yards really matter.
Case in point: Philip Rivers is #6 and he has never won anything. Mostly it's a measure of longevity.

And playing in the modern era.

Kurth · Post by **Kurth** » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:58 am

When did we all decide Rivers was a terrible QB? I'm not going to say I've watched a ton of Chargers film, but I thought he was a pretty solid and sometimes exceptional QB for many years. I know he's way past his prime now, but that doesn't erased his prior level.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Mon Oct 19, 2020 2:27 am

Never winning anything isn't the same as terrible. The Chargers went to the playoffs several times, but could never get past the Patriots with Rivers. My criticism of Rivers is that he could almost never make that winning drive in the fourth quarter like the great quarterbacks do.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:48 am

Jaymann wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 2:27 am Never winning anything isn't the same as terrible. The Chargers went to the playoffs several times, but could never get past the Patriots with Rivers. My criticism of Rivers is that he could almost never make that winning drive in the fourth quarter like the great quarterbacks do.

Rivers' 33 game winning drives is 6th among active QBs.

Lorini · Post by **Lorini** » Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:28 am

He’s not terrible. I was just pointing out that it takes more than yards to get to and win a SB. One of the worst Raider seasons, Carson Palmer had more yards than any QB in the AFC. Meaningless.

Expected Points Added is more accurate than yards.

http://insidethepylon.com/football-101/ ... nts-added/

$iljanus · Post by **$iljanus** » Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:54 am

Isgrimnur wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:59 pm Congratulations to the staff at The Meadowlands on witnessing the first home win since February 29th by the New York Guardians .

They weren’t showing the game in my market but I was following the score ticker at the bottom of the screen with great interest. Also thought they were going to botch it as the Washington Football Team started their comeback.

Post by **ImLawBoy** » Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:51 am

Jaymann wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:40 pm Philip Rivers makes his first 4th quarter winning drive in 27 years.

I find myself rooting for the Packers for the first time in this millennium.

I might have enjoyed the first half of that Battle of the Bays more than I enjoyed the Bears game (which was their typical poorly played game that they somehow managed to win).

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:19 am

ImLawBoy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:51 am
Jaymann wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:40 pm Philip Rivers makes his first 4th quarter winning drive in 27 years.

I find myself rooting for the Packers for the first time in this millennium.
I might have enjoyed the first half of that Battle of the Bays more than I enjoyed the Bears game (which was their typical poorly played game that they somehow managed to win).

Glad to see Rodgers taken down a few pegs, but the Brady fawning will go through the roof.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:34 am

pr0ner wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:48 am
Jaymann wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 2:27 am Never winning anything isn't the same as terrible. The Chargers went to the playoffs several times, but could never get past the Patriots with Rivers. My criticism of Rivers is that he could almost never make that winning drive in the fourth quarter like the great quarterbacks do.
Rivers' 33 game winning drives is 6th among active QBs.

Took him 230 games to reach this not-so-lofty plateau. Meanwhile the mighty Matts: Stafford has 35 after 154 games, and Ryan has 38 after 195 games. Certainly not terrible, but mostly longevity. The Craig Biggio of the NFL.

Hrothgar · Post by **Hrothgar** » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:01 pm

Jaymann wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:34 am The Craig Biggio of the NFL.

Hey, Biggio won a pennant and went to the World Series.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Mon Oct 19, 2020 2:03 pm

Hrothgar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:01 pm
Jaymann wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:34 am The Craig Biggio of the NFL.
Hey, Biggio won a pennant and went to the World Series.

Craig Biggio is also a Hall of Famer, which Philip Rivers will most likely be after his career is finally over.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Mon Oct 19, 2020 2:04 pm

Lorini wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:28 am He’s not terrible. I was just pointing out that it takes more than yards to get to and win a SB. One of the worst Raider seasons, Carson Palmer had more yards than any QB in the AFC. Meaningless.

Expected Points Added is more accurate than yards.

http://insidethepylon.com/football-101/ ... nts-added/

That's an interesting stat I hadn't heard about before. I wish there was a way to see if that stat was tracked somewhere for individual players, as my Google-Fu is currently failing me.

Lorini · Post by **Lorini** » Mon Oct 19, 2020 2:15 pm

pr0ner wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 2:04 pm
Lorini wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:28 am He’s not terrible. I was just pointing out that it takes more than yards to get to and win a SB. One of the worst Raider seasons, Carson Palmer had more yards than any QB in the AFC. Meaningless.

Expected Points Added is more accurate than yards.

http://insidethepylon.com/football-101/ ... nts-added/
That's an interesting stat I hadn't heard about before. I wish there was a way to see if that stat was tracked somewhere for individual players, as my Google-Fu is currently failing me.

It is but I gotta find it. If I do, I'll post the link here.

Lorini · Post by **Lorini** » Mon Oct 19, 2020 2:28 pm

Even those these aren't specific to an individual, these are specific to passing

https://thecommutesports.com/2020/05/19 ... ded-intro/

I really like it as a stat because it takes into account how much yardage is needed to make a first down, and the situation the team find itself in.

Edit: Found it, ESPN uses it

https://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr/_/sort/cwepaTotal/dir/asc