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Post by Moliere » Wed Apr 29, 2015 12:19 pm

Axl Rose's Letter to Indonesian President Regarding Bali Nine
The singer wrote that not sparing the prisoners' lives would be a "cold, cruel and uncaring message of hopelessness," and he pleaded that Joko not be "blinded by rigidity and inflexibility." He also called their death sentences "draconian" and the act of killing them "barbaric, backward and truly disgraceful."

"It's true I do not know these men nor have I met them but their story has touched me deeply," Rose wrote. "I as well as many others could easily have found ourselves in their unfortunate and unarguably self-inflicted position. People make mistakes, sometimes big and horribly regrettable mistakes and sometimes more importantly people learn from their mistakes and make new choices, strive and succeed at true positive change. To not acknowledge and give such change the opportunity to prove it's value would seem in this case a greater crime than those originally committed."
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Post by Moliere » Thu Jun 04, 2015 6:05 pm

2 Brothers Pardoned, Clearing Way for Them to Receive $750K
When DNA evidence freed two brothers wrongfully imprisoned for an 11-year-old girl's killing, each was given $45 by prison officials.

Nine months later, pardons issued Thursday by North Carolina's governor have cleared the way for Henry McCollum and Leon Brown to receive $750,000 each from the state for spending three decades in prison. It's been a long wait for the men who have been relying on help from family and donations while their application was pending.

The brothers' family, friends and attorneys were jubilant in early September after a judge vacated their convictions and ordered their release, citing new DNA evidence that points to another man killing and raping 11-year-old Sabrina Buie in 1983.
Thirty years on Death Row because of a coerced confession and zero physical evidence. :cry:
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Post by Rip » Sun Jun 21, 2015 4:22 pm

Hopefully these two killers that have escaped don't have the opportunity to kill anyone.

This is why I always reject the premise that once put away for life the safety of the public is a certainty. Although infrequent, they do escape. This was without even needing some type of catastrophe or attack on the prison to spring them loose.
After 16 days on the run, the escaped killers could be anywhere. But authorities are honing in on a rural "hot spot" in southwestern New York.

The latest possible sighting of fugitives Richard Matt, 48, and David Sweat, 35, came in Allegany County, just north of the Pennsylvania border. That's where a witness reported seeing two men along a railroad line Saturday in the town of Friendship, New York State Police said.

While state police called the report an "unconfirmed sighting," a law enforcement source briefed on the prisoner investigation told CNN there was a credible sighting of Matt and Sweat near Friendship.

The Allegany County Sheriff's Office said a tipster led investigators to a set of tracks in the area. Authorities were following the tracks to try to determine whether they're from the two escapees.

If Matt and Sweat were indeed in Friendship, that means they somehow traveled more than 300 miles southwest of Dannemora, New York, where they had escaped from the Clinton Correctional Facility.
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Post by Moliere » Sun Jun 21, 2015 6:13 pm

Rip wrote:Executed prisoners never escape and kill again.
330 exonerations probably disagree with you.
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Post by Rip » Sun Jun 21, 2015 6:17 pm

Moliere wrote:
Rip wrote:Executed prisoners never escape and kill again.
330 exonerations probably disagree with you.
How is that? They aren't executed. They apparently never killed the first time, and I would hope they aren't now out there trying to kill albeit not again.

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Post by Jaymann » Sun Jun 21, 2015 7:37 pm

So if you are convicted of murder, serve your time and are released, and the victim turns up alive, do you have the right to kill them?
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Post by Unagi » Sun Jun 21, 2015 7:58 pm

Jaymann wrote:So if you are convicted of murder, serve your time and are released, and the victim turns up alive, do you have the right to kill them?
Or really, do you have the right to kill them, time served.

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Post by Rip » Sun Jun 21, 2015 8:08 pm

Absolutely, if someone stood by and watched someone get convicted of their murder they deserve it.

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Post by Isgrimnur » Wed Sep 02, 2015 10:44 am

Moliere wrote:2 Brothers Pardoned, Clearing Way for Them to Receive $750K
When DNA evidence freed two brothers wrongfully imprisoned for an 11-year-old girl's killing, each was given $45 by prison officials.

Nine months later, pardons issued Thursday by North Carolina's governor have cleared the way for Henry McCollum and Leon Brown to receive $750,000 each from the state for spending three decades in prison. It's been a long wait for the men who have been relying on help from family and donations while their application was pending.

The brothers' family, friends and attorneys were jubilant in early September after a judge vacated their convictions and ordered their release, citing new DNA evidence that points to another man killing and raping 11-year-old Sabrina Buie in 1983.
Thirty years on Death Row because of a coerced confession and zero physical evidence. :cry:

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On Wednesday, Deputy Commissioner J. Brad Donovan of the North Carolina Industrial Commission awarded Henry McCollum and his half brother Leon Brown $750,000 each for their wrongful conviction and imprisonment for 30 years.

Donovan says the funds will be available after a period of 15 days. That is required in case the state appeals. The state treasury can then disburse the money.

Marc Snead of the state Department of Justice says the state agrees the men should get the money.
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An attorney for the men says McCollum plan[ned] to attend the hearing along with his sister. However, Brown has been hospitalized for mental health issues exacerbated by his time in prison.

McCollum had been the longest-serving inmate on North Carolina's death row before the pair was released last year.
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Post by Moliere » Thu Mar 03, 2016 10:39 am

Utah Senate narrowly votes to abolish death penalty
A year ago, Utah lawmakers were expanding the ways the state could execute inmates condemned to death. This week, the state took a major step toward possibly abolishing the death penalty entirely.

The Utah state Senate narrowly voted on Wednesday to approve a bill that scraps the death penalty, with 15 state senators — the minimum number needed for passage — voting to send it to the state’s House of Representatives.
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Post by Moliere » Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:17 pm

Arkansas is now hours from executing a man despite the fact that:
1. His trial judge was sleeping with the prosecutor.
2. His habeas attorney was an alcoholic who once showed up for a hearing drunk.
3. He was convicted in part by a method of hair fiber analysis that even the FBI now says is dubious.
4. There is DNA testing that could either cast doubt on or affirm his guilt. Yet the state refuses to test it. And the courts refuse to order it.
And why is Arkansas in such a rush to kill him? Because the state's execution drugs -- which it obtained illegally -- are about to expire.
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Post by Isgrimnur » Fri Apr 21, 2017 2:07 pm

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Supreme Court Justice Neil M. Gorsuch cast his first consequential vote Thursday night, siding with the court’s other four conservatives in denying a stay request from Arkansas death row inmates facing execution.
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Gorsuch’s reasoning for his vote in not known. Neither he nor the other justices who turned down the request explained the decision. But Gorsuch was sworn in on April 10, and he has had some time to study Arkansas’ well-publicized attempt to execute several inmates before a drug used in their planned lethal injections expires.
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Gorsuch has rejected stay-of-execution requests as a member of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 10th Circuit, but he has had limited exposure to the issue of capital punishment.
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