Canada 2015-19: New Hope or Phantom Menace?

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Re: Canada 2015-19: New Hope or Phantom Menace?

Post by Max Peck » Fri Sep 22, 2017 12:08 am

In other news...
Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau used his United Nations platform to address Canada's historic failings regarding indigenous people.

He said the country's legacy of colonialism and its lasting impact on First Nations Canadians was one of "humiliation, neglect and abuse" .

Mr Trudeau took power in 2015 promising to fix the country's relationship with aboriginal peoples.

But he has faced criticism over his handling of indigenous affairs.

The prime minister used his 30 minutes on Thursday at the General Assembly to reaffirm his commitment to reconciliation.

"Canada is not a wonderland where the difficulties others face do not exist," Mr Trudeau said. "Canada is a work in progress."

He highlighted the unsafe drinking water on many First Nation reserves and the gaps in education and health between aboriginal and non-aboriginal Canadians.

His government has vowed to end the boil-water advisories on First Nations reserves by 2020, but has yet to make a major dent.

The Trudeau Liberals have faced criticism from some indigenous groups for green-lighting pipeline projects.

The national inquiry into missing and murdered indigenous woman in Canada has seen frustrated victims' families and high-profile resignations.

In an August cabinet reshuffle, Mr Trudeau split the indigenous affairs portfolio between two ministers. It was a first step towards a major restructuring of the federal department of indigenous and northern affairs - a focal point in the government's relationship with indigenous people.

"Though this path is uncharted, I am confident that we will reach a place of reconciliation," Mr Trudeau told the UN.
Hopefully we'll see some substantive walk to go with that talk, sooner rather than later.
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Re: Canada 2015-19: New Hope or Phantom Menace?

Post by Max Peck » Sun Oct 01, 2017 6:30 pm

The NDP has selected it's new leader: Jagmeet Singh. You may remember him from a certain viral video, wherein he adroitly dealt with a breathtakingly low-information protester.
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Re: Canada 2015-19: New Hope or Phantom Menace?

Post by Max Peck » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:39 pm

I don't know how somebody managed to screw this up, but...
A plaque has been removed from Canada's Holocaust memorial because it neglected to mention Jewish people.

PM Justin Trudeau opened the National Holocaust Monument last week in the capital Ottawa.

The plaque commemorated the "millions of men, women and children murdered" but did not specifically mention Jewish people or anti-Semitism.

About six million Jews were killed in the Holocaust, the largest group to be persecuted by the Nazis.

The omission was seized upon by MPs and senators of the opposition Conservative Party on Tuesday.

"If we are going to stamp out hatred toward Jews, it is important to get history right," said MP David Sweet.

Heritage Minister Melanie Joly assured parliament that the plaque had been removed, and would be replaced with one that reflects "the horrors experienced by the Jewish people".

The omission on the plaque appears to have been an oversight - during the opening on 27 September both anti-Semitism and the effects of the Holocaust on the Jewish people were mentioned.

"Today we reaffirm our unshakeable commitment to fight anti-Semitism, racism, xenophobia and discrimination in all its forms, and we pay tribute to those who experienced the worst of humanity. We can honour them by fighting hatred with love, and seeking always to see ourselves in each other," Mr Trudeau said at the unveiling.

Until then, Canada had been the only Allied power to not have a national Holocaust memorial.

Earlier this year, US President Donald Trump was admonished for failing to use the word Jew on Holocaust Remembrance Day.
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Re: Canada 2015-19: New Hope or Phantom Menace?

Post by GreenGoo » Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:41 am

Trudeau protests to Drumpf regarding import tariffs on bombardier at the behest of Boeing. UK joins in on Trudeau's side of things.

Drumpf making noise about NAFTA.

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Re: Canada 2015-19: New Hope or Phantom Menace?

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GreenGoo wrote:Trudeau protests to Drumpf regarding import tariffs on bombardier at the behest of Boeing. UK joins in on Trudeau's side of things.

Drumpf making noise about NAFTA.

Fun times for everyone.
Trump has been making noise about NAFTA since day one, so I suspect this is more a case of correlation rather than causation. Trump's one-size-fits-all trade position is that he wants to tear up multilateral trade deals and replace them with individual bilateral deals that are all in America's favour (because his idea of a good deal is one where he gets everything and the other guy gets screwed). In terms of nationalist ideology, this makes sense because in any bilateral deal America will be the dominant partner whereas in a multilateral deal American interests are offset by the aggregate economic power of the overall group. Ergo, divide and conquer.
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Re: Canada 2015-19: New Hope or Phantom Menace?

Post by GreenGoo » Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:30 am

He has ramped up his NAFTA talk recently.

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Re: Canada 2015-19: New Hope or Phantom Menace?

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GreenGoo wrote:He has ramped up his NAFTA talk recently.
Yes, but I'd expect that because we're currently in a round of negotiations. I just don't think the pushback on the Bombardier tariff issue has much to do with the American position on NAFTA per se. They were going to trash (or at the very least, trash-talk) NAFTA regardless. However, I believe that Bombardier-Boeing is a taste of things to come if/when they do tear up their multilateral trade treaties.
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Re: Canada 2015-19: New Hope or Phantom Menace?

Post by malchior » Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:02 am

The Bombardier stuff is likely NAFTA adjacent. I think Boeing saw an opportunity with the NAFTA talks to capitalize on Trump administration willingness to help. And I agree it is a taste of things to come - increasing kleptocracy in particular. Essentially it is donate money. Get influence. Suppress actual competition. The consumer's ultimately eat the cost of all this. And the chosen plutocrats prosper.

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Re: Canada 2015-19: New Hope or Phantom Menace?

Post by GreenGoo » Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:04 pm

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GreenGoo wrote:He has ramped up his NAFTA talk recently.
Yes, but I'd expect that because we're currently in a round of negotiations. I just don't think the pushback on the Bombardier tariff issue has much to do with the American position on NAFTA per se. They were going to trash (or at the very least, trash-talk) NAFTA regardless. However, I believe that Bombardier-Boeing is a taste of things to come if/when they do tear up their multilateral trade treaties.
Certainly possible.

As the US's biggest importer, I'm not sure why Drumpf thinks it's a good idea to screw us over, but I guess we'll see how it turns out. Hopefully it doesn't destroy too many peoples' livelihoods when it does.

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Re: Canada 2015-19: New Hope or Phantom Menace?

Post by Max Peck » Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:11 pm

GreenGoo wrote:
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GreenGoo wrote:He has ramped up his NAFTA talk recently.
Yes, but I'd expect that because we're currently in a round of negotiations. I just don't think the pushback on the Bombardier tariff issue has much to do with the American position on NAFTA per se. They were going to trash (or at the very least, trash-talk) NAFTA regardless. However, I believe that Bombardier-Boeing is a taste of things to come if/when they do tear up their multilateral trade treaties.
Certainly possible.

As the US's biggest importer, I'm not sure why Drumpf thinks it's a good idea to screw us over, but I guess we'll see how it turns out. Hopefully it doesn't destroy too many peoples' livelihoods when it does.
The grown-ups among his own advisors have pointed out how badly he'd be screwing over his own constituents in the US by shredding NAFTA. But Trump does what he does because it is what he does; he generally acts on instinct and animus, not actual policy or ideology. Still, it might all be wind and bluster intended to give the US more leverage in the negotiations. Trump has talked crazy tough on any number of issues without any real follow-through, so this could end up being more of the same. Time will tell.
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Re: Canada 2015-19: New Hope or Phantom Menace?

Post by Moliere » Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:20 am

Canada's largest school board is phasing out the word "chief"
The Toronto District School Board's decision raised eyebrows in some quarters, but a spokesman said the action was taken "in the spirit" of recommendations made by the Truth and Reconciliation Commission.

However, Ryan Bird said that to his knowledge no Indigenous people had reached out to ask the board to remove the phrase from its job titles.
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From here on out, the word is being replaced with terms like "manager" and "executive officer" within the school board. For instance, Bird said, the person once called the chief of social work is now the manager of social work.

Word of the TDSB's efforts drew questions from observers online who wondered if the board may have gone too far. Some questioned the need for the move while others pointed out that the word "chief" is widespread in job titles across the world.

Mark Morton, who works at the University of Waterloo's Centre for Teaching Excellence and studies the origin of words, said the root of the word "chief" is believed to predate Latin, and also spawned words such as "captain."
Reminds me of the complaint about having two hard drives in your computer and calling them Slave and Master. :roll:
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Re: Canada 2015-19: New Hope or Phantom Menace?

Post by Max Peck » Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:50 am

Next on the agenda: Convince them that "manager" is misogynistic. :ninja:
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Re: Canada 2015-19: New Hope or Phantom Menace?

Post by Moliere » Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:03 am

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Gurrash, the War Chief is not happy with Canada's decision.
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Re: Canada 2015-19: New Hope or Phantom Menace?

Post by Max Peck » Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:41 am

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Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:03 am
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Gurrash, the War Chief is not happy with Canada the Toronto District School Board's decision.
What, you couldn't dig up a troll war chief reference? Gurrash of the Ear Seekers is just an orc war chief.

Lazy trolling is the lamest trolling. :coffee:
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Re: Canada 2015-19: New Hope or Phantom Menace?

Post by Moliere » Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:06 pm

Max Peck wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:41 am
What, you couldn't dig up a troll war chief reference? Gurrash of the Ear Seekers is just an orc war chief.

Lazy trolling is the lamest trolling. :coffee:
Too early in the morning two search for a pun response for that to.
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Re: Canada 2015-19: New Hope or Phantom Menace?

Post by Max Peck » Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:52 am

Quebec, still the most xenophobic corner of Canada.

'I should see your face, and you should see mine,' Quebec premier says of new religious neutrality law
A new law that would effectively force Muslim women who wear a niqab or burka to uncover their faces to use public services is based on a principle "the vast majority of Canadians, and not just Quebecers" can agree on, Premier Philippe Couillard said.

The Liberal government's Bill 62 on religious neutrality was passed Wednesday in Quebec's National Assembly.

"We are just saying that for reasons linked to communication, identification and safety, public services should be given and received with an open face," Couillard told reporters.

"We are in a free and democratic society. You speak to me, I should see your face, and you should see mine. It's as simple as that."

The law prohibits public workers — including doctors, teachers and daycare employees — as well as those receiving a service from the government from covering their faces.

It was extended to municipal services, including public transit, in an amendment made in August.

The Liberals, who hold a majority in provincial parliament, voted in favour of the bill, while all the other parties voted against.

The two main opposition parties, the Parti Québécois and Coalition Avenir Québec, have argued the legislation doesn't go far enough, while civil rights advocates and Muslim groups argue it discriminates against religious minorities.
Apparently "neutrality" has a very different meaning in French than in English.
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Re: Canada 2015-19: New Hope or Phantom Menace?

Post by Isgrimnur » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:32 am

That's the 'fun' thing about politics: words mean whatever you want them to mean. Literally.
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Re: Canada 2015-19: New Hope or Phantom Menace?

Post by Vorret » Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:18 pm

It's obviously an attack on Muslims since they're the one covering their faces, I... kinda don't mind it. I see it as a sign of oppression that shouldn't exist here.

But I guess that makes me a racist, oh well I can live with that :roll:
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Re: Canada 2015-19: New Hope or Phantom Menace?

Post by Max Peck » Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:27 pm

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It's obviously an attack on Muslims since they're the one covering their faces, I... kinda don't mind it. I see it as a sign of oppression that shouldn't exist here.

But I guess that makes me a racist, oh well I can live with that :roll:
No, it doesn't make you racist, because "Muslim" isn't a race. It might make you an ignorant xenophobic bigot, though.

A woman should be able to wear what she wants to wear. Telling her that she can't ride a bus while wearing a headscarf is every bit as oppressive as telling her that she can't leave the house without wearing a headscarf.

Do you get triggered when you see a Catholic nun wearing a wimple?
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Post by Vorret » Thu Oct 19, 2017 2:29 pm

To be honest I can't remember the last time I've seen a nun in public (or a priest) but I do see a boatload of woman wearing a burka/niqab around town (including at the Amazoo, in the wave pool, they looked really comfortable) so nah it doesn't trigger me, I just think it's silly. Be free, show your face, live a little.
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Re: Canada 2015-19: New Hope or Phantom Menace?

Post by GreenGoo » Thu Oct 19, 2017 2:31 pm

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No, it doesn't make you racist, because "Muslim" isn't a race. It might make you an ignorant xenophobic bigot, though.
It might. But probably not. He has given his reasons for supporting the law, and they are clearly not xenophobic or bigoted. I might give you ignorant, but explaining politely why the ban *is* based on xenophobic bigotry, and how his position, while one of support for human rights, is misplaced, because of the reasons you gave, would probably help inform his opinion.

I don't see any reason to attack well meaning but errant people, if the goal is to have less human rights issues in general.

The law is almost certainly based on scary muslims hiding their faces though, which is of course xenophobic bigotry.

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Thu Oct 19, 2017 2:29 pm
To be honest I can't remember the last time I've seen a nun in public (or a priest) but I do see a boatload of woman wearing a burka/niqab around town (including at the Amazoo, in the wave pool, they looked really comfortable) so nah it doesn't trigger me, I just think it's silly. Be free, show your face, live a little.
Have fun trying to use public transport or any other service when they make you take off whatever you Canadians use to make sure your face doesn't freeze directly to the air in the middle of winter.
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Re: Canada 2015-19: New Hope or Phantom Menace?

Post by GreenGoo » Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:38 pm

Our buses are heated.

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Post by Isgrimnur » Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:42 pm

Are your bus shelters?
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Re: Canada 2015-19: New Hope or Phantom Menace?

Post by GreenGoo » Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:51 pm

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Are your bus shelters?
The busy ones, yes.

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