Teachers' T-shirts bring Bush speech ouster

wire · Post by **wire** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 4:37 pm

Fark.com linked to this article and after reading it I just wonder what the President's keeper are thinking?

If they aren't heckling the President or any other person speaking why remove them and threaten arrest?

I'm still on the fence for who I'm going to vote for but as much as I also dislike Kerry but I don't see him kicking people out his rallies. From what I've read Kerry doesn't screen out republicans or others he deems undesirables from his rallies. Kind of sad to think the President only feels comfortable being around like minded drones...

$iljanus · Post by **$iljanus** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 4:45 pm

wire wrote:Fark.com linked to this

If they aren't heckling the President or any other person speaking why remove them and threaten arrest?

Was this a "private" rally? If so I can see where the folks in question can be removed. They can kick out whomever they wish at a private rally I'd imagine.

As for threatening them with arrest or charging them with a crime, well that tells you something about the nature of the Bush/Cheney campaign I think...

noxiousdog · Post by **noxiousdog** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 4:48 pm

Sounds like there is more to the story. Man, it's really sad that I can't just trust the AP any more.

$iljanus · Post by **$iljanus** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 5:00 pm

noxiousdog wrote:Sounds like there is more to the story. Man, it's really sad that I can't just trust the AP any more.

There might be. I'd like to know more. But if you're heaping criminal charges on people beyond just escorting them from a rally and they aren't acting violent then that's just overkill.

Edmond · Post by **Edmond** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 6:44 pm

Ok, so wearing T-shirt that said "Protect our civil liberties" is not welcome in Bush's rally. Got it.

gbasden · Post by **gbasden** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 6:46 pm

Yeah. I'm guessing Bush is feeling a bit defensive on the Partiot Act after that question in the second debate.

Chrisoc13 · Post by **Chrisoc13** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 6:51 pm

Edmond wrote:Ok, so wearing T-shirt that said "Protect our civil liberties" is not welcome in Bush's rally. Got it.

No, like most rallies, you are not welcome if you dont pay money. This may not be the story here, but I know when the president came here, to see him cost lots and lots of money. It wasnt open to the public, perhaps this is the problem? Not sure.

$iljanus · Post by **$iljanus** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 6:53 pm

Chrisoc13 wrote:
Edmond wrote:Ok, so wearing T-shirt that said "Protect our civil liberties" is not welcome in Bush's rally. Got it.
No, like most rallies, you are not welcome if you dont pay money. This may not be the story here, but I know when the president came here, to see him cost lots and lots of money. It wasnt open to the public, perhaps this is the problem? Not sure.

I think the people in question had tickets to the event. Their views weren't welcome though which wouldn't be surprising at any partisan rally.

I do find it humorous that "Protect our civil liberties" is not a welcome phrase at a Bush rally... 8)

Crux · Post by **Crux** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 8:01 pm

Sounds like there is more to the story. Man, it's really sad that I can't just trust the AP any more.

Sad that your first assumption is that the press is wrong and the president's people are automatically right.

Chrisoc13 · Post by **Chrisoc13** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 8:18 pm

siljanus wrote:
Chrisoc13 wrote:
Edmond wrote:Ok, so wearing T-shirt that said "Protect our civil liberties" is not welcome in Bush's rally. Got it.
No, like most rallies, you are not welcome if you dont pay money. This may not be the story here, but I know when the president came here, to see him cost lots and lots of money. It wasnt open to the public, perhaps this is the problem? Not sure.
I think the people in question had tickets to the event. Their views weren't welcome though which wouldn't be surprising at any partisan rally.

I do find it humorous that "Protect our civil liberties" is not a welcome phrase at a Bush rally... 8)

It is humerous, bt like others have said, Im guessing there is more to this story.

Fireball · Post by **Fireball** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 9:50 pm

I have to ask where you all have been, as this has been happening for months. People with Kerry signs at open air rallies? Arrested and removed. People standing in a public park watching the speech, wearing anti-Bush shirts? Arrested and removed. Bush requires people to sign loyalty oaths or they can't even come into the buildings where he's having his rallies.

This is a president who does not want dissent to even have a voice. His anti-democratic impulses are staqgering.

noxiousdog · Post by **noxiousdog** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 10:30 pm

aussie77 wrote:
Sounds like there is more to the story. Man, it's really sad that I can't just trust the AP any more.
Sad that your first assumption is that the press is wrong and the president's people are automatically right.

Dan Rather
Jason Blair
AP wire story about boos when Bush though of him in the hospital.
Kate Zerike

Vs

People being thrown out for wearing a "Protect our civil liberties" t-shirt. Period. end of story.

I think I have good reason to be skeptical.

Freezer-TPF- · Post by **Freezer-TPF-** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 12:20 am

siljanus wrote:
Chrisoc13 wrote:
Edmond wrote:Ok, so wearing T-shirt that said "Protect our civil liberties" is not welcome in Bush's rally. Got it.
No, like most rallies, you are not welcome if you dont pay money. This may not be the story here, but I know when the president came here, to see him cost lots and lots of money. It wasnt open to the public, perhaps this is the problem? Not sure.
I think the people in question had tickets to the event. Their views weren't welcome though which wouldn't be surprising at any partisan rally.

I do find it humorous that "Protect our civil liberties" is not a welcome phrase at a Bush rally... 8)

They were probably removed by the White House's Advance Irony Strike Force.

Edmond · Post by **Edmond** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 12:35 am

It is humerous, bt like others have said, Im guessing there is more to this story.

Of course there's more to the story. It's reported that some people near the grave of Patrick Henry heard some weird sounds as if he's rolling in his grave.

"Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" Patrick Henry.

Zarathud · Post by **Zarathud** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 2:03 am

When the President only meets with the already converted, something is seriously wrong. Not just an excess of spin and "image control" wrong, but "the Emperor has no clothes" wrong.

After seeing how much of a Republican bias a lot of these polls have built-in, I really think that Senatory Kerry is in a much better position than anybody thinks. No doubt that this is going to be a close race, and a significant amount of the knee-jerk vote is going to stay Republican.

I think the press is overly concerned about the "liberal media" label and focusing too much on an equal timesharing of the "political hackery." For instance, it was clear that President G.W. Bush lost the first debate. So why did it take a day for the media to figure this out? Especially after the Dan Rather fiasco, the media have been too terrified to really criticize the Bush Administration with full force. Someone needs to hand out the spines, stat.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 7:37 am

noxiousdog wrote:Sounds like there is more to the story. Man, it's really sad that I can't just trust the AP any more.

Is the chip kicking in finally?

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 7:43 am

The Bushies are brilliant. They have managed to find a "legal" way to silence dissent. Sell tickets to rallies, and then use a minor secret service power(granted in the 1970's) to corral the dissenters 1/2 mile away. Disgraceful.

And the best part. They had tickets. I'm becoming very scared for this country...

Poleaxe · Post by **Poleaxe** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 1:22 pm

Wake up. The point was to get escorted out. They probably made a nusaince of themselves until they were thrown out. Then they can go online and say that civil rights t-shirts aren't welcome at bush rallies.

Stuff like this doesn't happen by accident, and if you think it does, then you don't really understand how disgusting the process is.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 1:35 pm

Wake up. The point was to get escorted out. They probably made a nusaince of themselves until they were thrown out. Then they can go online and say that civil rights t-shirts aren't welcome at bush rallies.

Stuff like this doesn't happen by accident, and if you think it does, then you don't really understand how disgusting the process is.

Most likely this is the true story. Nothing else really makes sense.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 1:39 pm

Poleaxe wrote:Wake up. The point was to get escorted out. They probably made a nusaince of themselves until they were thrown out. Then they can go online and say that civil rights t-shirts aren't welcome at bush rallies.

Stuff like this doesn't happen by accident, and if you think it does, then you don't really understand how disgusting the process is.

From the original article at www.kgw.com:

Three Medford school teachers were threatened with arrest and thrown out of the President Bush rally at the Jackson County Fairgrounds Thursday night, after they showed up wearing T-shirts with the slogan "Protect our civil liberties."

kgw.com/Ore. Democratic Party

Three Medford school teachers who were thrown out of a Bush rally because of their t-shirts.

All three women said they were carrying valid tickets for the event that they had received from Republican Party headquarters in Medford, which had been distributing event tickets to Bush supporters.

Teacher Janet Voorhies said she simply wanted to bring a message to President Bush, but did not intend to protest.

"I wanted to see if I would be able to make a statement that I feel is important, but not offensive, in a rally for my president," said Voorhies, 48.

The women said they were angered by reports of peaceful protesters being thrown out of previous Bush-Cheney events. They said they chose the phrase, "Protect Our Civil Liberties," because it was unconfrontational.

"We chose this phrase specifically because we didn't think it would be offensive or degrading or obscene," said Tania Tong, 34, a special education teacher.

The women got past the first and second checkpoints and were allowed into the Jackson County fairgrounds, but were asked to leave and then escorted out of the event by campaign officials who allegedly told them their T-shirts were "obscene."

Democrats were quick to pounce on the incident and claimed the GOP has routinely sought to disclude anyone from public appearances by President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney who might question the administration. There was no immediate comment from Republican officials.

I wonder what's really disgusting? A t-shirt or the thugs who tossed them out for expressing a surprisingly mild opinion about the very thing they were tossed out for.

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