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Re: Women in Combat Roles

Post by Max Peck » Thu May 12, 2016 2:49 pm

I would not discount the possibility that the requirement for a female leadership cadre might be a bureaucratic speedbump to slow down the whole process of gender integration in the 'til now exclusively manly realm of providing kinetic solutions to complex problems. Who knows, if it all takes long enough then they might have a new Commander-in-Chief that has different ideas about the issue.
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Post by Zarathud » Thu May 12, 2016 3:47 pm

If the US military can integrate on race, they can do so on gender. Anything you knuckleheads can come up with already has been considered by the brass, see? Now drop down and give me 20!!
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Post by Isgrimnur » Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:18 pm

Senate approves the draft
The Senate overwhelmingly passed a $602 billion defense bill Tuesday that included an amendment that would require women to register for the draft -- also known as the selective service -- for the first time in history.

The National Defense Authorization Act passed 85-13, although some Republican senators protested against the inclusion of the provision pertaining to women and the draft.

Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, slammed the measure last week during a Senate session, calling it "a radical departure" from American history.

"The idea that we should forcibly conscript young girls into combat to my mind makes little or no sense," he said.

But the chairman of the Armed Services Committee, Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, rebuked Cruz's stance, calling including women in the draft "simply fair" now that the Pentagon has opened all military roles to women.

"Every uniform leader of the United States military seemed to have a different opinion from the senator from Texas, whose military background is not extensive," McCain said.
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Post by Isgrimnur » Thu Dec 01, 2016 6:02 pm

Draft scrapped
Lawmakers have officially dropped plans to make women register for the draft, instead opting for a review of the ongoing need for the Selective Service System.

The controversial provision had been part of early drafts of the annual defense authorization bill, and narrowly passed a House Armed Services Committee vote last spring. A Senate panel followed suit a few months later.

But conservatives in both chambers objected to the provision and stripped it out of the final legislative draft unveiled Tuesday.
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Instead, the final authorization bill draft — expected to be voted on by Congress in the next few days — calls for a review of the entire Selective Service System, to see if the idea of a military draft is still realistic and cost-effective.
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Post by Paingod » Fri Dec 02, 2016 8:58 am

One has to wonder what a Draft would yield anyway when almost 70% of the adults in the US are overweight or obese. A comical outcome, I'm sure.
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Post by Smoove_B » Fri Dec 02, 2016 11:22 am

Paingod wrote:One has to wonder what a Draft would yield anyway when almost 70% of the adults in the US are overweight or obese. A comical outcome, I'm sure.
Funny how things the more they change, the more they stay the same. In preparing for WW1, the military noted that the average American male was undernourished, weakened with chronic illness and overall in poor shape - it made basic training much more difficult and ultimately took longer to get recruits into battle-ready condition. Based on what happened, after WW1 ended the federal government committed to enacting numerous national-level initiatives to improve the baseline health of all Americans.

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Post by Rip » Fri Dec 02, 2016 11:25 am

Must be a side benefit of all that money we spend on healthcare.

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Post by AWS260 » Fri May 26, 2017 9:48 am

The first women graduate from Army infantry training.
After the Obama administration ordered the military in 2013 to open all combat positions to women, the Army developed gender-neutral performance standards to ensure that recruits entering the infantry were all treated the same. Still smarting over accusations that it had lowered standards to help the first women graduate from its elite Ranger School in 2015, the Army has taken pains to avoid making any exceptions for infantry boot camp. To the pound, men and women lug the same rucksacks, throw the same grenades and shoulder the same machine guns.

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Post by Rip » Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:38 pm

The only woman in the Navy SEAL training pipeline has dropped out, a Navy special warfare official confirmed Friday.

The female midshipman voluntarily decided to not continue participating in a summer course that's required of officers who want to be selected for SEAL training, Lt. Cmdr. Mark Walton, a Naval special warfare spokesman, told The Associated Press. The Navy has not released the woman's name, part of a policy against publicly identifying SEALs or candidates for the force.

No other woman has started the long process required to become a Navy SEAL, Walton said.
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Post by GreenGoo » Tue Sep 26, 2017 5:31 am

first female marine passes officer training

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Post by Isgrimnur » Wed May 16, 2018 11:27 am

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After at least 15 years of hyping the idea of women in combat units, the IDF is admitting that women suffer injuries at a much higher rate than men during combat training – despite the fact that training requirements for women in combat are considerably less demanding than for men.

According to a report in the IDF's Bamahane magazine, a large scale study was conducted among female combat soldiers in the Karakal infantry unit, the Artillery Corps and the Field Intelligence Corps, between the years 2012-13.

The study indicated that a full 46% of the female soldiers suffered injuries during their initial period of training, as opposed to 25% among the men. One third of the women in the study were injured more than once.

The injuries included torn ligaments, sprains, knee pain, back pain and stress fractures. The latter were much more common in women, afflicting only 2% of men but 8% of the women. “Most stress fractures appear in weeks 4-6 of the training period, and mainly in the field and warfare weeks,” an officer explained to Bamahane.
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The study found that the injury rate for female soldiers in Karakal is 40%, and in the Artillery Corps it reaches a whopping 70%. Knee pain among female combat soldiers is three times more common than among males, and tears in knee ligaments are also more common in women.

Women drop out of the combat track for medical reasons at rates that are 2 to 5 times those of men's.
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The IDF will also change the training exercises and diet to “fit” them to women. Presumably, training for women will be made even less demanding than it is now.
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Post by GreenGoo » Wed May 16, 2018 11:55 am

Women are not men.

Surprise.

Any indications as to the reason women's ligaments sprain more often than men's, or is the article just letting us form our own conclusions.

*Wink* *wink*.

Edit: article says it's because of muscle, bone density differences and higher body fat. Well 1 officer says that.

Now I want to know how men and women differ when training for the Olympics. Are women experiencing higher injury rates there? If not, why not?
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Post by Isgrimnur » Wed May 16, 2018 11:59 am

Regarding ligaments, the article leaves us to our own devices. It does provide this wonderful quote from the officer:
"The bone density of female combat soldiers is lower than that of men, and that is why they suffer more injuries,” said the officer. “The fat percentage in women is 70% to 100% greater than men's and that is why they are slower than them, and consume more energy during activity. At the same time, their muscle density is 33% less than the men's and their ability to carry weights is lower.”
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Post by GreenGoo » Wed May 16, 2018 12:01 pm

Yep, thanks. Was being lazy but did go back and read it.

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Post by Isgrimnur » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:04 pm

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The first female Marine graduated Tuesday from the Corps’ arduous and physically demanding Winter Mountain Leaders Course.

Sgt. Tara-Lyn Baker, a heavy equipment mechanic, graduated from the nearly six-week school based out of the Marine Corps Mountain Warfare Training Center in Bridgeport, California.

The course hones Marines' skills in cold weather survival, skiing, snow mobility and mountain warfare.
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Baker went on to say she suffered from frostbite and hypothermia.

“We learn how to overcome it,” she said about dealing with the austere cold-weather environment of the mountains.
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Post by Isgrimnur » Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:06 pm

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Requiring only men to register for the draft is unconstitutional, a federal judge has ruled.

The Military Selective Service Act, or MSSA, states that men in the U.S. aged 18 through 25 must register in case the country needs a military draft. Women face no such requirement. On Friday, a federal judge in Texas ruled that a males-only draft violates the equal protection provisions in the U.S. Constitution.
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The latest case was brought by the National Coalition For Men, an advocacy group dedicated to raising awareness of discrimination against men.
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The ruling comes as the federal government is considering the future of the draft system, including whether women should be required to register. "We are carefully considering and actively seeking input on this crucial question," the National Commission on Military, National, and Public Service said in a report last month.
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Post by Jaymann » Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:42 pm

Sweet, just eliminate the whole draft system.
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Post by LawBeefaroni » Mon Feb 25, 2019 5:24 pm

Logical decision by the judge. But fuck the NCFM.
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Post by Pyperkub » Mon Feb 25, 2019 5:41 pm

Jaymann wrote:
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Sweet, just eliminate the whole draft system.
Well, we may need it for Space Force!
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Post by Z-Corn » Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:42 pm

Pyperkub wrote:
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Jaymann wrote:
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Sweet, just eliminate the whole draft system.
Well, we may need it for Space Force!
Seriously. My retirement plan is hoping for an Old Man's War situation being available to me.

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Post by AWS260 » Mon Feb 25, 2019 9:09 pm

Z-Corn wrote:
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Seriously. My retirement plan is hoping for an Old Man's War situation being available to me.
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Post by Zarathud » Mon Feb 25, 2019 10:52 pm

I worked in college for a while while for the guy who came up with the mechanics for the registration system. Very smart economist.
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