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Post by Gryndyl » Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:43 pm

UNLEASH THE MINCHIN!!!

Extremely NSFW language.

I found lyrics+video here and having the lyrics to read helps quite a lot as Minchin has an accent and sings fast.

http://skepchick.org/blog/2010/04/tim-m ... more-13729" target="_blank

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Post by LawBeefaroni » Fri Apr 30, 2010 8:57 pm

Gryndyl wrote: Extremely NSFW language.
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Nicely done by Minchin, though I feel the message won't reach those it should by nature of the number of Fs and MFs.
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Quite likely true but that still allows me to enjoy it :)

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That letter was worth a read. Very well written and moving it places. It strikes just the right tone.
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"The most insignificant facts are intensified, they make sensational headlines, and that helps sell newspapers," the Rev. Vytautas Volertas, told a Lithuanian-language newspaper on May 1.

"To put it another way, who controls the press? The Jews. Have you ever seen an article in The New York Times about a criminal rabbi? No? And you won't see one."

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Post by godhugh » Thu May 13, 2010 2:06 pm

*sigh*

At least the Pope has been making much better statements about the whole thing.
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Post by Victoria Raverna » Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:08 pm

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/13 ... index.html" target="_blank
The Archdiocese of Boston announced Sunday it has put a senior priest on administrative leave after receiving complaints of sexual abuse of children about 50 years ago, church officials said.

In a press statement issued Sunday, the archdiocese said the Rev. F. Dominic Menna -- a senior priest in residence at St. Mary's Church in Quincy, Massachusetts -- will remain on administrative leave pending the outcome of a preliminary investigation into the complaints.

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Post by Isgrimnur » Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:58 pm

When the UN says it's bad...
The Roman Catholic Church has “systematically” protected predator priests, allowing “tens of thousands” of children to be abused, a United Nations committee said Wednesday in a scathing report that cast the first shadow over Pope Francis’ honeymoon period as pontiff.

The panel called on the Vatican to remove all suspects from their posts immediately and to open up its confidential archives in order “to hold abusers accountable.”

“The committee is gravely concerned that the Holy See has not acknowledged the extent of the crimes committed, has not taken the necessary measures to address cases of child sexual abuse and to protect children, and has adopted policies and practices which have led to the continuation of the abuse by and the impunity of the perpetrators,” the report said.
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In a sharply worded response, the Holy See’s ambassador to the U.N. in Geneva, Archbishop Silvano Tomasi, attacked the report, calling it “surprising” and full of “incorrect” statements, and alleging that the U.N. had ignored steps taken by the Vatican in recent years to root out abuse.

In an interview with Vatican Radio, Tomasi also suggested that nongovernmental organizations that oppose the Vatican’s positions on homosexuality and gay marriage had influenced the U.N. report, giving it an “ideological” slant.

Addressing the U.N. committee last month, Tomasi said the Vatican had no responsibility for abusers because "priests are citizens of their own states, and they fall under the jurisdiction of their own country."

But the report disagreed, telling the Vatican that because priests are “bound by obedience to the pope” in canon law, the Vatican is accountable for their conduct.
So should they take it to the international courts for the church helping those priests flee the jurisdictions in which they committed their crimes?
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Post by LawBeefaroni » Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:08 pm

A few weeks ago we got to see how the Archdiocese of Chicago shamefully overlooked and even actively abetted abuse.
Thousands of pages of what were once secret church documents related to the way the Archdiocese of Chicago dealt with 30 priests who it believes abused children in the '70s, '80s and '90s are now online.

They give "an unprecedented and gut-wrenching look at how the Archdiocese of Chicago for years failed to protect children from abusive priests," writes the Chicago Tribune.

They also "provide new details and insights into how the nation's third-largest archdiocese quietly shuttled accused priests from parish to parish and failed to notify police of child abuse allegations," the Tribune adds.

The papers "cover only 30 of the at least 65 clergy for whom the archdiocese says it has substantiated claims of child abuse," The Associated Press says.
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Post by ImLawBoy » Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:27 pm

Without condoning the actions (and inactions) of the Catholic Church regarding child abuse, the UN piling on doesn't really mean anything to me. The UN is just as susceptible to politics and attention-seeking as any governmental (or quasi-governmental) body.
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Post by LawBeefaroni » Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:53 pm

ImLawBoy wrote:Without condoning the actions (and inactions) of the Catholic Church regarding child abuse, the UN piling on doesn't really mean anything to me. The UN is just as susceptible to politics and attention-seeking as any governmental (or quasi-governmental) body.
I agree that the UN doesn't sway me one way or the other but they are of of the few organizations in the world with a size and scope similar to that of the Catholic Church. As such they can call call bullshit on things like this with a loud voice:
Addressing the U.N. committee last month, Tomasi said the Vatican had no responsibility for abusers because "priests are citizens of their own states, and they fall under the jurisdiction of their own country."
The strategy has been to contain guilt to the diocese/archdiocese level, maybe even the national level (see Ireland). After what, 60+ years of this going on as institutionalized behavior (the coverups and lack of appropriate action), at some point the top of the organization has to take some responsibility.
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Post by Zarathud » Wed Feb 05, 2014 11:59 pm

My belief is that the Catholic Church made this problem far worse by restricting priests from leaving when interest in the priesthood declined. Rather than having a revolving door where priests left the calling or were expelled for unfitness, it became a situation where once you were a priest then you were always a member of the club. Questionable behavior wasn't taken seriously and excuses made. The belief in forgiving a repentant sinner wasn't helpful. Any credible claims had to compete with the other good work and manpower needs -- expelling a repentant priest wasn't something the Catholic Church did anymore and there was always some out of the way parish to place them. There were cover ups but the institutional incompetence is staggering.
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Post by pengo » Tue Mar 25, 2014 10:08 am

Louis CK learns about the Catholic Church, as a former catholic this is hilarious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VABSoHYQr6k

There is a royal commission going on with the abuses of the catholic church in Australia atm, thanks to change.org.

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Post by Isgrimnur » Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:22 pm

pengo wrote:There is a royal commission going on with the abuses of the catholic church in Australia atm, thanks to change.org.

Thanks to the internet a lot of people can organise and get justice hopefully.
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Seven percent of Catholic priests in Australia between 1950 and 2010 allegedly sexually abused children, according to data provided by church authorities in a major investigation.
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The findings were released by The Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse, which launched in 2013 to look at child abuse in places like schools and government organizations.
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  • 4,444 people reported child sexual abuse, which allegedly occurred at more than 1,000 different institutions between 1980 and 2015.
  • The average age of the victims was 10.5 for girls and 11.6 for boys.
  • The claims identified 1,880 different alleged perpetrators.
  • The reported perpetrators were not just priests — they also included religious brothers, lay people and religious sisters. The majority were religious brothers or priests, at 32 and 30 percent each.
  • 90 percent of the alleged perpetrators were male, 10 percent were female.
The severity of the problem varied by location. For example, in one particularly egregious case, 40.4 percent of religious brothers from the order St. John of God Brothers were accused of abuse. Three other such orders were found to have more than 20 percent of their brothers accused of such crimes. According to ABC, orders of brothers "often run schools and homes for the most vulnerable of children."
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When it started gathering information on the Catholic Church in 2013, the church issued an apology statement calling the abuse "indefensible" for which the church is "deeply ashamed."

Now, the scale of the abuse is becoming clearer. The head of the council coordinating the church's response said in a new statement that "these numbers are shocking, they are tragic and they are indefensible."
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The commission has referred 309 of the cases to the police, according to Furness. That has resulted in 27 prosecutions; additionally, 75 cases are currently under investigation.

Similar scandals have come to light around the world in the past few decades. In the United States, bishops received allegations of abuse against 5.9 percent of priests between 1950 and 2002, according to the watchdog group BishopAccountabiligy.org. [sic]
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Post by Isgrimnur » Mon Nov 06, 2017 2:35 pm

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The names of 19 men have been added to the growing list of abusers who at some point served or spent time in the Archdiocese of St. Paul and Minneapolis.

The statement, posted Friday on the archdiocese’s website, defined the men as those “who have substantiated claims of sexual abuse of a minor against them.”

All but one of the men committed the alleged abuse outside of the Twin Cities, but were included because they spent some time during their careers at the local diocese, the statement said.
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Some of the names on the list already had been released, due to prior litigation. Fourteen are deceased.
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The names were added to a previous list of 71 clergy who either committed alleged abuse within the diocese or worked there but committed the alleged abuse elsewhere.

The statement ends with a call for those who have been abused to contact law enforcement.

After a torrent of abuse claims, the Twin Cities archdiocese filed for bankruptcy protection nearly three years ago. A judge in U.S. Bankruptcy Court is considering financial plans and how they should ultimately dictate the payout to survivors.
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Post by Isgrimnur » Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:26 pm

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The Pennsylvania Supreme Court on Monday said it stopped the planned release of a report investigating decades of child sexual abuse in six Catholic dioceses, including the Diocese of Allentown, because “many” people raised complaints that it would unfairly tarnish their reputations.

The unsigned opinion says most, if not all, of the petitioners are people named in the report who are alleging that it “unconstitutionally infringes on their right to reputation and denies them due process.” Each of the six dioceses last week issued statements saying they had not taken legal steps to block the report.

Under the grand jury law, individuals who are not charged with a crime but about whom the report is critical may be allowed to see it and issue a reply to be incorporated in the final product.

The court did not lay out a timetable for release of the report, which it acknowledged is of great public interest. Around 1.7 million Catholics are in the six dioceses under investigation, with up to 250,000 in the Allentown Diocese.

The petitioners’ assertions get at the heart of the investigative grand jury process in Pennsylvania, which operates in secrecy and is not a forum for targets of the investigation to speak. Some of the petitioners, the Supreme Court order says, “were not aware of, or allowed to appear at, the proceedings before the grand jury.”
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Post by Isgrimnur » Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:48 am

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Catholics on Tuesday were awaiting the release of one of the most sweeping investigations ever on U.S. clerical sex abuse of minors — an 800-page-plus grand jury report detailing 70 years of misconduct and church response across Pennsylvania.

The release is the culmination of an 18-month probe, led by state Attorney General Josh Shapiro, on six of the state’s eight dioceses — Harrisburg, Pittsburgh, Allentown, Scranton, Erie and Greensburg — and follows other state grand jury reports that revealed abuse and coverups in two other dioceses.

Legal challenges by some of the approximately 300 clergy named in the report have delayed it, after some said it is a violation of their constitutional rights. Pennsylvania’s Supreme Court ruled last month that the report must be released but with some redaction. That ruling came after at least 10 news organizations, including The Washington Post, urged its release.
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The investigation took about two years. The report’s length is expected to be from 8oo to 1,000 pages, the Post-Gazette reported. It covers all dioceses except the two already studied — Philadelphia and Altoona-Johnstown. Pennsylvania is believed to have done more investigations of institutional child sex abuse than any other state.

The report will recommend systemic changes and can be a catalyst for criminal charges, some involved said; two priests have been charged since the probe began.

Some named in the report have already disputed its findings. Two dioceses tried to shut down the investigation last year, the Post-Gazette reported, arguing its contents should be the focus of a local prosecutor. Some of its findings may be challenged.
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Post by Isgrimnur » Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:34 pm

Report released:
The Pennsylvania Supreme Court on Tuesday released a sweeping grand jury report on sex abuse in the Catholic Church, listing more than 300 accused clergy and detailing 70 years of misconduct and church response across the state.

State Attorney General Josh Shapiro said at a news conference Tuesday that more than 1,000 child victims were identified in the report, but the grand jury believes there are more.
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Pennsylvania hotline swamped with new Catholic priest sex abuse allegations
Officials at a clerical sex abuse hotline are scrambling to keep up with hundreds of new allegations following the publication of a Pennsylvania grand jury report last week, documenting at least 1,000 survivors of sex abuse by more than 300 priests across the state.

NPR’s Bobby Allyn reports that those 1,000 cases may have just been the tip of the iceberg. Since the report’s publication, people have made more than 400 calls to the phone line handling clerical sex abuse tips, which is managed by state Attorney General Josh Shapiro’s office. The deluge of calls prompted the AG to recruit additional staff from other departments to keep up.
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Post by Paingod » Thu Aug 23, 2018 7:20 am

300 will become 400 and 1,000 will become 1,750.

A true horror. It's easier to comprehend Hitler wanting to exterminate millions of Jewish people than it is to understand hundreds of individuals wanting to sexually assault thousands of kids and an institution supposedly dedicated to helping people get into heaven hiding and helping them.

I'm not voting for Hitler here, or trying to belittle the holocaust. I'm just saying I can wrap my brain around that period in history better than I can what the church has done here.
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Post by Smoove_B » Thu Aug 23, 2018 7:51 am

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than I can what the church has done here.
What they're still doing. They're still hiding abusers and shielding them from the law.

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Post by $iljanus » Thu Aug 23, 2018 8:44 am

The systematic cover up of these crimes seems to be policy vs the action of some "bad apples" like a criminal organization. It's political suicide perhaps but the church needs to be cleaned out by the Feds or individual states like the unions were back in the day when they were infiltrated by organized crime. If the church hierarchy ain't doing it then law enforcement must.

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Post by Kraken » Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:09 pm

Smoove_B wrote:
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than I can what the church has done here.
What they're still doing. They're still hiding abusers and shielding them from the law.
Any other organization would be broken up as a criminal syndicate.

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Kraken wrote:
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Any other organization would be broken up as a criminal syndicate.
My MIL is a member of a convent (true story) and she was telling us last year that there's some type of facility near the convent that houses men associated with the church. In asking more, it was apparently originally designed as a "retirement home" for clergy. However, there are more than a few men there that are middle-aged and from what she told us, they simply were unable to be part of a congregation for "reasons". After shuffling them around and having problems with them "fitting in", they ultimately end up at this retirement community to serve out their obligations to Christ in direct service to the organization. She made it sound like it was an honor and privilege to be placed there. All I'm thinking is that they get free room and board and some WITSEC instead of being incarcerated because they "couldn't fit in". It's absolutely disgusting.

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Post by stessier » Fri Aug 31, 2018 1:36 pm

Ugh.

We Saw Nuns Kill Children: The Ghosts of St. Joseph’s Catholic Orphanage

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Post by gameoverman » Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:11 pm

If you are running an organization that has a hard time attracting new recruits to replace the officials in your organization, then booting out those officials becomes difficult unless you want to torpedo the entire thing. You shuffle the problem people around because you can't get rid of them since you have no one prepared to step up.

That's one reason why I think the church finds itself in this situation. It's the consequence of not keeping up with the times. They have to struggle to stay relevant and as desperation sets it, morality and ethics get set aside.

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Pope Francis: Care for children is imperative
It must be acknowledged that we have not succeeded in responsibly protecting children. The environment of abuse, both on the global level and in many specific places, cannot be considered satisfactory. Rightly, there is a growing sense of the need for a renewed and sound relationship between the church and its parishioners that only an authentic and integral vision of humanity will permit us to take better care of our children for the benefit of present and future generations.

On this World Day of Prayer for the Care of Creation, which the Catholic Church for several years now has celebrated in union with our Orthodox brothers and sisters and with participation of other Churches and Christian communities, I would like to draw attention to the question of raping priests. It is a very simple problem yet access to children we continue to allow. Our world owes a great social debt towards the victims of this terrible crime that the church has covered up for decades. That has to change now.
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Post by Isgrimnur » Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:30 pm

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A report on sexual abuse inside the Catholic Church in Germany says 3,677 people were abused by clergy between 1946 and 2014, two leading German media outlets said Wednesday.

Spiegel Online and Die Zeit said the report they obtained — commissioned by the German Bishops Conference and researched by three universities — concludes that more than half of the victims were 13 or younger and most were boys. Every sixth case involved rape and at least 1,670 clergy were involved, both weeklies reported. Die Zeit wrote that 969 abuse victims were altar boys.

The report also says that the actual number of victims was likely much higher, according to the research by experts from the Universities of Giessen, Heidelberg and Mannheim.

The German Bishops Conference said in a written response a few hours later that it regretted the leaking of the report, but that the study confirms "the extent of the sexual abuse" that took place.

"It is depressing and shameful for us," Bishop Stephan Ackermann said. He didn't further elaborate on the findings of the report, but said the Catholic group would present the study as initially planned on Sept. 25 together with the authors.
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Two years after Pokemon Go fever got folks outside, hunting and collecting Pokemon, a Catholic evangelical group called Fundación Ramón Pané is looking to put a more religious spin on the mobile game.

Follow JC Go! launched Friday and lets players catch saints and Biblical figures and answer quiz questions, the BBC reported.
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The app is available for iOS and Android in Spanish, with English, Italian and Portuguese versions on the way.
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Post by Isgrimnur » Wed Dec 19, 2018 7:01 pm

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In yet another blow to the Catholic Church in the United States, Illinois' attorney general says the state's six dioceses have failed to disclose accusations of sexual abuse against at least 500 priests and clergy members.

Illinois' dioceses have released lists publicly identifying 185 clergy members who had been credibly accused of child sex abuse. But state Attorney General Lisa Madigan said preliminary findings in her ongoing investigation reveal that the church failed to disclose sexual abuse allegations against at least 500 additional priests and clergy members.

In many cases, the accusations have "not been adequately investigated by the dioceses or not investigated at all," Madigan's office said in a statement Wednesday. What's more, the statement added, the church often failed to notify law enforcement authorities or state Department of Children and Family Services about the allegations.
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Post by Isgrimnur » Fri Dec 21, 2018 1:16 pm

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Pope Francis used one of his major annual Christmas speeches to offer some of his strongest words about this year’s heightened sexual abuse crisis in the Catholic church, telling guilty priests that the church won’t protect them and they should turn themselves in.

“To those who abuse minors I would say this: convert and hand yourself over to human justice, and prepare for divine justice,” Francis said in a speech at the Vatican on Friday.

Speaking to the Roman Curia — the central governing leadership of the Vatican — Francis described at length the sinfulness of priests who prey on children. “Often behind their boundless amiability, impeccable activity and angelic faces, they shamelessly conceal a vicious wolf ready to devour innocent souls,” he said, in remarks that drew often on the example of the sinful biblical King David. “Let it be clear that before these abominations the Church will spare no effort to do all that is necessary to bring to justice whosoever has committed such crimes. The church will never seek to hush up or not take seriously any case.”

Survivor advocates slammed Francis for focusing on priest-abusers rather than the leaders and system that protect them, while other Vatican observers praised his comments as a dramatic acknowledgement of the scope of the problem.

Francis’ call for abusers to turn themselves in “is silly. To command psychologically sick people to do the right thing? It’s also deceptive,” said Anne Barrett Doyle, co-director of Bishop Accountability, which documents abuse. “This speech represents a regression to the defense we heard from John Paul II, that the problem was with the perpetrators. We now know the more fundamental problem is with the complicit and deceptive hierarchy.”
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Re: Catholic Church and the culture of child abuse?

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Often behind their boundless amiability, impeccable activity and angelic faces, they shamelessly conceal a vicious wolf ready to devour innocent souls
Yeah, not like the cross and the cloth shamelessly conveal anything. WTF, P-Frank.
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Vatican investigators have finished collecting evidence in the sexual abuse case of disgraced ex-cardinal Theodore McCarrick, according to a person familiar with the investigation, indicating that the Catholic Church is moving quickly toward sentencing the cleric in its secretive justice system.

The former prominent archbishop of Washington, who now stands accused of sexually abusing three minors and harassing adult priests and seminarians, already has become the first U.S. cardinal ever removed from that office due to sexual misconduct allegations. Now, he faces the prospect of soon being defrocked — meaning he would no longer be a priest of the Catholic Church and would lose his church housing and financial support.

In the past several weeks, witnesses far from the Vatican offered testimony under questioning by American clergy tapped to help with the case. James Grein, who has spoken publicly about his alleged abuse by McCarrick which he says began when he was 11, told The Washington Post that he testified in late December in the office of the Archdiocese of New York. A man who says McCarrick molested him when he was a teenage altar boy has also testified, along with a third man who was a minor when he was allegedly abused by McCarrick.
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The bishops have the option, “when the evidence is clear,” to skip a full canonical trial, which can last years, and instead opt for an abbreviated process, he said. In rare instances, the pope has decided such cases directly. In the last two instances, a decision could conceivably be reached ahead of a February meeting of top bishops from around the world called by Pope Francis to discuss the subject of sexual abuse in the church.
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"Defrocked" is such an unfortunate term.
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D.C.'s embattled Catholic leader, Donald Wuerl, under fire in recent days for untruthful statements regarding what he knew about the alleged sexual misconduct of his predecessor, Theodore McCarrick, apologized late Tuesday, saying he forgot he knew about the allegations and that it was “never the intention to provide false information.”

Wuerl apologized to former priest Robert Ciolek in the evening and then sent a letter to the priests of the archdiocese, where Wuerl is the acting administrator. Pope Francis received Wuerl’s retirement as archbishop earlier than expected last fall as the cardinal was being pummeled by criticism over his handling of abuse cases when he was the Pittsburgh bishop, and also by suspicions that he was not being fully honest about what he knew of the McCarrick scandal.

In the letter, Wuerl said he forgot he was told in 2004 about Ciolek’s complaint against McCarrick. Wuerl in 2004 then took the complaint to the Vatican.
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When Ciolek first went public last week with evidence that Wuerl had been untruthful since the scandal erupted last summer, Wuerl’s office issued a statement saying he had only been trying to protect Ciolek’s confidentiality. Then in a Saturday letter to the archdiocese’s priests, Wuerl repeated his claim that he was protecting confidentiality and said he had denied knowledge only as it pertained to allegations that McCarrick had abused children.

In the Tuesday night letter, Wuerl repeated versions of those defenses but said it didn’t matter.

“Nonetheless, it is important for me to accept personal responsibility and apologize for this lapse of memory. There was never the intention to provide false information,” the letter said.
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Re: Catholic Church and the culture of child abuse?

Post by GreenGoo » Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:08 pm

Oh, well, he apologized. All is forgiven.

Presumably he works for Penn State?

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Who says they were limiting it to children?
Pope Francis has acknowledged that members of the Catholic clergy abused nuns, adding to a string of recent allegations about widespread sexual abuse by priests and coverups by the church hierarchy.

“It’s not that everyone does this, but there have been priests and bishops who have,” Francis told reporters aboard the papal plane on Tuesday, according to the Associated Press. The wire service and other outlets had reported on allegations of nun abuse over the past year, but the pontiff had not confirmed that such abuse took place.

Francis is due to host a gathering of bishops and cardinals in two weeks to address the broader global issue of clergy sexual abuse — including, largely for the first time, adult victims and accountability for those at the top of the church who mismanage and cover it up.

The Washington Post’s Stefano Pitrelli and Chico Harlan wrote in September, when the meeting was announced, that the gathering “is believed to be unprecedented, indicating that the church recognizes that clergy sex abuse is a global problem — even in countries where the church maintains strong social power and cases have not come to light in great numbers.”
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Speaking about the progress the church has made on the issue, Francis referred to the offshoot French religious congregation that had been dissolved by Pope Benedict XVI after a founding priest had violated chastity vows with women in the order. On the plane, Francis said that some women had been pushed by the priest into “sexual slavery.” But the Vatican on Wednesday clarified that remark, saying that Francis was referring instead to manipulation and the abuse of power.
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Re: Catholic Church and the culture of child abuse?

Post by Moliere » Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:28 pm

380 Southern Baptist church officials and volunteers faced abuse allegations
An extensive newspaper investigation has revealed the seeming breadth and ubiquity of sexual abuse within the Southern Baptist church community, and details allegations of how church officials failed to take action for years.

The investigation spanned 20 states, and involves numerous churches, which in the Southern Baptist faith generally operate with autonomy.

The Houston Chronicle and the San Antonio Express-News published a six month investigation into allegations of widespread sex abuse, reporting that 380 church leaders and volunteers faced allegations of sexual misconduct.
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Re: Catholic Church and the culture of child abuse?

Post by Default » Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:31 pm

Moliere wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:28 pm
380 Southern Baptist church officials and volunteers faced abuse allegations
An extensive newspaper investigation has revealed the seeming breadth and ubiquity of sexual abuse within the Southern Baptist church community, and details allegations of how church officials failed to take action for years.

The investigation spanned 20 states, and involves numerous churches, which in the Southern Baptist faith generally operate with autonomy.

The Houston Chronicle and the San Antonio Express-News published a six month investigation into allegations of widespread sex abuse, reporting that 380 church leaders and volunteers faced allegations of sexual misconduct.
There isn't a hierarchy in the Baptist church, unlike Catholicism. A shit-ton of stuff gets swept under the rug, or simply not believed. The bastard that abused my ex for eight solid years was a deacon in the local Lutheran church and nobody suspected Ronald Montaine at all.
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