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All those points are valid. But they have been for decades.

Is it just that society as a whole isn't buying the Reefer Madness viewpoint any longer?
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GreenGoo wrote:Is it just that society as a whole isn't buying the Reefer Madness viewpoint any longer?
I don't have any statistics or polls to back this up, but I think it's much more acceptable these days for conservatives/Republicans in the US to claim libertarian beliefs than in the past. Part of that is probably due to the mainstreaming of libertarian concepts through the Tea Party movement and the popularity of figures like Rand Paul. Since liberals/Democrats were already predisposed to support legalization (and things like gay marriage), there's now a pretty strong base of support for these types of concepts.

There are some sweeping generalizations in there, of course, but it feels about right to me.
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I think the simpler answer is 'the internet.'

People such as myself would have been much more resistant to a legalization idea if it hadn't been extremely well communicated through blogs, facebook, message boards, and the like that alcohol is much more dangerous.

It's one of those things that would never have been communicated through main stream media.
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I'd have just said generation landslide.

Right or wrong. Children on the 60's, 70's, 80, and 90's don't generally think of pot as any more harmful than alcohol. Children from before the 60s are getting old enough to not care.
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Marijuana Legalization Bill Advances in Texas
Remember David Simpson, the self-described constitutional conservative who opposes marijuana prohibition on Christian grounds and wants to legalize the plant in Texas? Yesterday his legalization bill, which eliminates marijuana offenses (except for sales to minors) from the Texas criminal code, cleared the House Criminal Jurisprudence Committee, making it theoretically possible that it will get a floor vote.
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Moliere wrote:Marijuana Legalization Bill Advances in Texas
Remember David Simpson, the self-described constitutional conservative who opposes marijuana prohibition on Christian grounds and wants to legalize the plant in Texas? Yesterday his legalization bill, which eliminates marijuana offenses (except for sales to minors) from the Texas criminal code, cleared the House Criminal Jurisprudence Committee, making it theoretically possible that it will get a floor vote.
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Jaymann wrote:Just in time for the Obama invasion! Gotta keep the troops happy.
I thought it must already be legal given how paranoid Texans are recently.
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Oregon begins selling marijuana to recreational users
Oregon marijuana shops began selling marijuana Thursday for the first time to recreational users, marking a big day for the budding pot industry. Some of the more than 250 dispensaries that already offer medical marijuana in Oregon opened their doors soon after midnight — just moments after it became legal to sell to anyone who is at least 21.

At Portland's Shango Premium Cannabis, co-founder Shane McKee said the first sale to an excited customer came about a minute after midnight, with many others waiting. "It looks like there is about 60-70 in line out front," he said in a telephone interview shortly after midnight. "They all seem extremely eager."

That first buyer, Davia Fleming of Portland, said the sales launch was important. "I was really excited about that," said Fleming, who uses the drug for medicinal purposes. "It's the end of a prohibition." She described the atmosphere inside the store as "beautiful. ... very friendly; everyone is upbeat."
South Dakota tribe develops marijuana resort after legalizing pot
A small South Dakota tribe plans to open a resort where visitors can legally buy and consume marijuana grown on the reservation, even though pot possession is illegal off the reservation in that state.

"We want it to be an adult playground," says Anthony Reider, president of the Flandreau Santee Sioux Tribe, which has just over 400 members. "There's nowhere else in America that has something like this," Reider told The Associated Press. Tribal attorney Seth Pearman says other tribes are already looking at this venture with interest. The new marijuana resort will be an addition to the tribe's existing 120-room hotel and casino and will be located on the reservation, which is around 700 kilometres south of Winnipeg.

"We're taking a bowling alley that was once the tribe's original casino and turning it into a very high-class, 10,000-square-foot club where people can come and consume," says Pearman. A state-of-the-art growing facility has already been built, with the first range of products expected to be ready for the resort's grand opening on New Year's Eve.

The project, according to the tribe, could generate up to $2 million a month in profit. "Colorado's made so much money that they're issuing tax refunds to people," says Pearman. "It's a booming market, kind of like Indian gaming back in the '90s."

The tribe legalized marijuana in June, months after the U.S. Justice Department outlined a new policy that allows tribes to grow and sell marijuana under the same conditions as some states. The policy does not mean that marijuana use is automatically legal on all reservations — tribes still have the power to decide whether to allow its use and under what conditions.
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Medicinal Cannabis To Be Legalised In Victoria
In an Australian first, the Andrews Labor Government will legalise access to locally manufactured medicinal cannabis products for use in exceptional circumstances from 2017.
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Ohio voters to decide on legalizing recreational marijuana use
Ohio voters will decide on Tuesday whether to become the first U.S. Midwestern state to legalize the recreational use of marijuana, although a rival ballot measure could kill the law before it takes effect.

Issue 3 would add an amendment to the state constitution that legalizes both the personal and medical use of marijuana for those over 21 years old.

If it passes, Ohio would become the fifth and most populous state to legalize the recreational usage of marijuana, following Alaska, Colorado, Washington and Oregon, as well as the District of Columbia. About two dozen states allow its use for medical reasons.

Ohio is considered a political bellwether, with the candidate who wins the state usually winning the presidency. So a victory for recreational marijuana in Ohio is expected to change the national conversation on legalization, said Gary Daniels of the Ohio American Civil Liberties Union.

Seven other states are expected to vote on recreational marijuana legalization next year, according to Danielle Keane, political director for NORML, which advocates for legalization.

Issue 3 also grants exclusive rights for commercial marijuana growth and distribution to 10 facilities across the state. Those facilities are owned by investors in the legalization movement.

Critics of the measure say that creates a monopoly, and responded with a rival ballot measure called Issue 2. That ballot measure would nullify legalization if it creates "an economic monopoly or special privilege" for a private entity.
How does a ballot measure that is a response to another ballot measure end up with a lower number? Shenanigans! :)
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Ohio says No way, man
Ohio voters on Tuesday rejected a controversial marijuana legalization measure at the polls in that state. Recent surveys showed support in Ohio for marijuana legalization, but voters balked at the specifics of the ballot initiative, which would have created an oligopoly on marijuana production for a small handful of the initiative's wealthy donors.
It was a bad bill that even a lot of dopers couldn't get behind. Should not be seen as a general indicator.
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Bernie Sanders wants to repeal weed prohibition.

Mexico's Supreme Court thinks it should be legal.
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20% of Canadians smoked pot last year, but more than 30% would if legal, poll suggests
Almost two out of every 10 Canadians reported having consumed marijuana in the past year, but more than 30 per cent of poll respondents said they would do so in the next year if it were legal. That was one of the main takeaways of a recent poll on the issue conducted by Forum Research. Forum did a telephone poll with a random sampling of 1,256 Canadians between Nov. 4-7. The poll is considered to have a margin or error of plus or minus three per cent, 19 times out of 20.

Members of the new Liberal government, including Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, have spoken about their desire to modernize the laws surrounding pot by decriminalizing its use, or even going as far as legalizing it. According to Forum's poll, a solid majority of Canadians — 59 per cent — support new laws that would legalize, tax and regulate recreational marijuana usage under some conditions.

"Now that marijuana legalization is a likelihood rather than a vague promise, Canadians are considering the issue more closely than in the past," Forum president Lorne Bozinoff said. The figure is higher than another Forum poll in August found, when 53 per cent of respondents said they'd support some sort of legalization plan. It's also much higher than the proportion of Canadians who admit to currently partaking in it.
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They're not fooling anyone. If our new friendship with Raul results in Cuban stogies being widely available, Americans won't have a reason to go to Canada except to club seals and hunt polar bears. This is a ploy (albeit a good one) to preserve the tourism trade.
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SWIM once rolled a blunt with a Cuban cigar while in Jamaica...it was as disgusting as every other blunt...stick to Rizla!
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Ok, this is interesting... and a little different than the typical legalization updates:

Study: Pot smokers have reduced risk of high blood pressure, high blood sugar, unhealthy cholesterol levels, abdominal fat.
Current consumers of cannabis are 50 percent less likely to suffer from metabolic syndrome as compared to those who have never used the substance, according to findings published online ahead of print in The American Journal of Medicine. Metabolic syndrome is a group of risk factors, including high blood pressure, high blood sugar, unhealthy cholesterol levels, and abdominal fat, which are linked to increased risk of heart disease and/or type 2 diabetes, among other serious health consequences.

The findings are consistent with those of previous observational studies showing an inverse relationship between cannabis use and diabetic markers, and support previous population data showing that those who use cannabis typically possess smaller waist circumference and lower body mass index than those who do not.
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Pot have less carbs than beer?
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AjD wrote:Ok, this is interesting... and a little different than the typical legalization updates:

Study: Pot smokers have reduced risk of high blood pressure, high blood sugar, unhealthy cholesterol levels, abdominal fat.
Current consumers of cannabis are 50 percent less likely to suffer from metabolic syndrome as compared to those who have never used the substance, according to findings published online ahead of print in The American Journal of Medicine. Metabolic syndrome is a group of risk factors, including high blood pressure, high blood sugar, unhealthy cholesterol levels, and abdominal fat, which are linked to increased risk of heart disease and/or type 2 diabetes, among other serious health consequences.

The findings are consistent with those of previous observational studies showing an inverse relationship between cannabis use and diabetic markers, and support previous population data showing that those who use cannabis typically possess smaller waist circumference and lower body mass index than those who do not.
Hmmm, I'm on meds for high blood pressure. Maybe I should talk to my doctor about changing my prescription... :)
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Wow, I suffer from all of those! I can replace my blood pressure meds, my diabetes meds, my cholesterol meds, and my gym membership all with a little weed! I'll be in perfect health then and live forever!
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A Point of View: The all-American drive to legalise marijuana
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I've recently returned from the west coast of Canada, where a fiery gold autumn was the perfect backdrop for an outpouring of national optimism after the Canadians elected the 43-year-old Liberal leader Justin Trudeau as their prime minster. Greeting voters on the subway next morning, trick-or-treating with his children - the arrival of this dynamic newcomer, sprinkled with dynastic fairy dust, ended almost a decade of Conservative government during which Canada suffered something of an identity crisis. For a country that successfully defined itself as not being the United States, his predecessor's policies on tax, foreign affairs and the environment severely blurred that distinction. As one Vancouverite put it: "I used to make a point of saying I was Canadian, not American, when I travelled. In recent years I haven't bothered."

But if Trudeau is to make his mark by being different, there's one area where he'll be learning by example from the US, or at least a handful of them. His election platform included legalisation of marijuana for recreational use (it's legal for medical purposes now), which means that he and his policy makers will be busy studying Washington State, Oregon and Colorado, all of which have done so already.

In the fraught international conversation about drugs, there's one thing everyone agrees on, though some politicians might close the door before they say it - 50 years of war hasn't worked. Instead it has produced international crime syndicates, financed terrorism, destabilised governments of the countries that produce the drugs and clogged up the justice system and prisons of those that consume them. When it comes to cannabis some of the loudest critics of the law are law enforcers themselves. As an ex-chief of police in Vancouver said in a recent CBC documentary: "The only thing prohibition achieves is putting revenue into organised crime."

It's taken more than plain-speaking police chiefs to bring about the change in the US. Admittedly Oregon, Washington and Colorado are liberal-leaning states, but the underlying social and political forces that moved them towards legislation also exist in the rest of the country. To understand them you have to go back to those much-quoted words from the Declaration of Independence: "The inalienable right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." To which one might add - not even that cynically - "...and profit".
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Maybe this is OT for this thread, but maybe not. If so I apologize... But anyway, let me preface this question by saying I am against prohibition, I think the "war on drugs" has been counterproductive and in many ways very damaging to society, and I fully believe that pot should be legal.

All that said, having watched a close family member get deep into "weed culture," Im starting to ask myself "why?" It's not that I think banning it is the answer, but I see the increased availability and public acceptance leading to this bizarre sort of weed worship. Weed themed clothing, music and the idea that weed is inherent in what makes the hip-hop community, for example, something to aspire to be a part of. It's frustrating to watch someone clearly not handle the responsibility and get so caught up in something so damaging.
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I think legalization and the accompanying normalization will weaken the weed counterculture by taking the "counter" out of it. Would your relative have gotten into "weed worship" if it were a mundane part of life?
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geezer wrote:Maybe this is OT for this thread, but maybe not. If so I apologize... But anyway, let me preface this question by saying I am against prohibition, I think the "war on drugs" has been counterproductive and in many ways very damaging to society, and I fully believe that pot should be legal.

All that said, having watched a close family member get deep into "weed culture," Im starting to ask myself "why?" It's not that I think banning it is the answer, but I see the increased availability and public acceptance leading to this bizarre sort of weed worship. Weed themed clothing, music and the idea that weed is inherent in what makes the hip-hop community, for example, something to aspire to be a part of. It's frustrating to watch someone clearly not handle the responsibility and get so caught up in something so damaging.
Do you think an 'alcohol culture' doesn't exist?
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Max Peck wrote:
AjD wrote:Ok, this is interesting... and a little different than the typical legalization updates:

Study: Pot smokers have reduced risk of high blood pressure, high blood sugar, unhealthy cholesterol levels, abdominal fat.
Current consumers of cannabis are 50 percent less likely to suffer from metabolic syndrome as compared to those who have never used the substance, according to findings published online ahead of print in The American Journal of Medicine. Metabolic syndrome is a group of risk factors, including high blood pressure, high blood sugar, unhealthy cholesterol levels, and abdominal fat, which are linked to increased risk of heart disease and/or type 2 diabetes, among other serious health consequences.

The findings are consistent with those of previous observational studies showing an inverse relationship between cannabis use and diabetic markers, and support previous population data showing that those who use cannabis typically possess smaller waist circumference and lower body mass index than those who do not.
Hmmm, I'm on meds for high blood pressure. Maybe I should talk to my doctor about changing my prescription... :)
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Geezer I read your question as, "Why is there a seeming fascination with weed such that it will permeate a person's music, fashion, and other lifestyle choices?"
I reckon it is a risk takers signal, as the ferrous one notes, but it has been actively and crassly branded for decades in music, fashion, and other lifestyle markets. It started the other way around - it's in hip hop because it's fun.
Otherwise, it's much like garden-variety idolatry, I think, maybe cut with a jigger of commercialism. Rastaz are not unlike football freaks in certain ways, or goths. They'll all wear a weird shirt to a wedding.
In other words, I don't think marijuana users inherently want to advertise their interest in the plant, other than in the direct service of acquisition. YMMV
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geezer wrote:Maybe this is OT for this thread, but maybe not. If so I apologize... But anyway, let me preface this question by saying I am against prohibition, I think the "war on drugs" has been counterproductive and in many ways very damaging to society, and I fully believe that pot should be legal.

All that said, having watched a close family member get deep into "weed culture," Im starting to ask myself "why?" It's not that I think banning it is the answer, but I see the increased availability and public acceptance leading to this bizarre sort of weed worship. Weed themed clothing, music and the idea that weed is inherent in what makes the hip-hop community, for example, something to aspire to be a part of. It's frustrating to watch someone clearly not handle the responsibility and get so caught up in something so damaging.
I don't think it's off topic at all. I, personally, am willing to accept the bad with the good. I also think the good will eventually outweigh the bad, so long as parents be parents. Legalizing and de-emphasizing weed, I would think would put it in the same category as alcohol but probably with less traffic accidents and drug induced acts of violence while taking away all of crime and violence associated with the black market and the jail cells filled with people who simply possess just enough dope to sell (which also means a quantity one would typically buy, I'd guess)

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My biggest qualm with legalizing marijuana is testing for it for legal purposes when committing a crime. As far as I know, we don't have a piss test like do for booze and I firmly believe that if you commit a crime in a self medicated and altered state you should punished more severely than normal. You made the choice to lose control. That should come with a huge responsibility.
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It's a couple of years old now, but here is a fairly objective PopSci article on the issue of D.U.I.Pot.
But ultimately the long-sought portable roadside THC test for law enforcement may be less important than many have made it out to be. After all, in the eyes of the law no one really cares how impaired you are, only that you are impaired. That's the way it works for alcohol impairment, and the way it has worked for years. Though easier to measure and evaluate at the roadside, blood alcohol concentration really has no quantifiable correlation to how impaired a person is. Alcohol affects different people in different ways, but regardless you still go to jail for driving in the U.S. with a blood alcohol concentration that tops 0.08 (celebrities and the politically well-connected notwithstanding). How capable you really are of driving is beside the point.

Like the five-nanogram standard, the 0.08 blood alcohol concentration limit was an administrative decision. And as with the 0.08 rule, governments will likely simply set THC standards wherever the existing body of science makes them feel comfortable. Creating such a threshold not only establishes a firm legal standard that can hold up in court, but it somewhat obviates the need for precision roadside testing -- a simple field sobriety test for THC impairment testing for time and depth perception, coordination, and other psychomotor abilities tied to cannabis impairment will do, and officers already have those kinds of tests in their collective toolbox.

Of course, a reliable 'breathalyzer' for marijuana -- something easily administered at the roadside that's capable of returning a number that, like blood alcohol concentration, correlates roughly to a degree of impairment -- isn't completely out of reach. If the new recreational marijuana laws in Colorado and Washington state have created something of a regulatory headache, it's a headache that recreational pot laws might also be able to cure. If necessity is the mother of invention, these new laws have certainly created a need among the legal community that is helping to focus the science and technology community on potential solutions.

"This is a hot area right now, and there really is a lot of attention being paid in my field to oral fluid testing for drugs of abuse in general," Kahn says of the potential for a portable THC testing device. "The kinds of issues we're talking about are exactly why. This is where it's headed. It may not happen in exactly the way that we think, but in one way or another I think it will happen sooner or later."
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Thanks for the comments, y'all.

Ironrod - hard to say, but you definitely raise a good point.
Ale - of course an "alcohol culture" exists. I'm equally concerned about that with this individual, but this thread isn't about that ;)
RuperT & Mortis - good thoughts. As I said, I too am in favor of taking the good with the bad, It's more about how we can more effectively deal with the folks that seemingly can't moderate themselves. Anecdotally, I have friends that claim there's been a huge increase in slacker stoners in Denver that move there to panhandle and smoke weed. That sort of sucks.
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Max Peck wrote:It's a couple of years old now, but here is a fairly objective PopSci article on the issue of D.U.I.Pot.
But ultimately the long-sought portable roadside THC test for law enforcement may be less important than many have made it out to be. After all, in the eyes of the law no one really cares how impaired you are, only that you are impaired. That's the way it works for alcohol impairment, and the way it has worked for years. Though easier to measure and evaluate at the roadside, blood alcohol concentration really has no quantifiable correlation to how impaired a person is. Alcohol affects different people in different ways, but regardless you still go to jail for driving in the U.S. with a blood alcohol concentration that tops 0.08 (celebrities and the politically well-connected notwithstanding). How capable you really are of driving is beside the point.

Like the five-nanogram standard, the 0.08 blood alcohol concentration limit was an administrative decision. And as with the 0.08 rule, governments will likely simply set THC standards wherever the existing body of science makes them feel comfortable. Creating such a threshold not only establishes a firm legal standard that can hold up in court, but it somewhat obviates the need for precision roadside testing -- a simple field sobriety test for THC impairment testing for time and depth perception, coordination, and other psychomotor abilities tied to cannabis impairment will do, and officers already have those kinds of tests in their collective toolbox.

Of course, a reliable 'breathalyzer' for marijuana -- something easily administered at the roadside that's capable of returning a number that, like blood alcohol concentration, correlates roughly to a degree of impairment -- isn't completely out of reach. If the new recreational marijuana laws in Colorado and Washington state have created something of a regulatory headache, it's a headache that recreational pot laws might also be able to cure. If necessity is the mother of invention, these new laws have certainly created a need among the legal community that is helping to focus the science and technology community on potential solutions.

"This is a hot area right now, and there really is a lot of attention being paid in my field to oral fluid testing for drugs of abuse in general," Kahn says of the potential for a portable THC testing device. "The kinds of issues we're talking about are exactly why. This is where it's headed. It may not happen in exactly the way that we think, but in one way or another I think it will happen sooner or later."

This sounds like good news toward alleviating my concerns.
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Vermont
The Vermont Senate gave preliminary approval Wednesday to a bill to legalize the possession of up to an ounce of marijuana by adults in the state.

Approval came on a 16-13 roll call vote after about two hours of debate.
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The measure would allow possession of up to an ounce, with licensed growers supplying retail marijuana outlets. The measure includes a 25 percent excise tax on marijuana. It does not allow marijuana-laced candies or other edibles. It also does not allow homegrown pot.

The no-homegrown provision drew criticism from some senators, and prompted at least one to vote against it. Sen. Rebecca Balint, D-Windham, said she supported legalization in principle.
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If the House approves the bill and Shumlin signs it, Vermont would become the first state to legalize marijuana by state law, while the federal government still outlaws it. Marijuana has been legalized by referendum in Colorado, Washington state, Oregon and Alaska. At least three states — California, Maine and Massachusetts — are expected to vote on legalization referenda this year.

The measure’s prospects in the House are uncertain. Shumlin’s fellow Democrats control both House and Senate, but his clout is believed to have diminished somewhat since he announced in June that he would not seek a fourth two-year term this year.

House Majority Leader Sarah Copeland-Hanzas, D-Bradford, said the bill faces uncertain prospects in the Judiciary and the Appropriations committees. Lawmakers have a weeklong break next week surrounding the state holiday of Town Meeting Day.
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Isgrimnur wrote:Oklahoma and Nebraska get all huffy:
Colorado’s top law enforcement official promises to vigorously defend the state’s historic law legalizing marijuana after Nebraska and Oklahoma asked the U.S. Supreme Court to declare it unconstitutional, saying the drug is freely flowing into neighboring states.
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The Supreme Court has rejected an effort by Nebraska and Oklahoma to have Colorado's pot legalization declared unconstitutional.

The justices are not commenting Monday in dismissing the lawsuit the states filed directly at the Supreme Court against their neighbor.
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The Obama administration had sided with Colorado, despite the administration's opposition to making marijuana use legal.

Justices Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito would have heard the states' lawsuit.
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Isgrimnur wrote:saying the drug is freely flowing into neighboring states.
Wait wait wait...Colorado weed is FREE? :shock:
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They could build a wall between the states and make the pot smokers pay for it.
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The wall just got ten feet higher.
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Nope. It's Three feet high . . . And rising!
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Legal marijuana causes Mexican drug cartel revenues to plummet
Marijuana legalization may have accomplished what the War on Drugs has failed to do — put the squeeze on Mexican drug cartel activity.

The U.S. Border Patrol has released 2015 data showing that the number of marijuana seizures throughout the southwest U.S./Mexico border has fallen to the lowest level in a decade, the Washington Post reports.

Mexican manufacturers of illegal marijuana bricks have driven down prices as residents in California, Colorado, and Washington state now have safe access to reasonably affordable medical marijuana and/or recreational cannabis.

“Two or three years ago, a kilogram [2.2 pounds] of marijuana was worth $60 to $90,” a Mexican marijuana grower told NPR news in December 2014. “But now they’re paying us $30 to $40 a kilo. It’s a big difference. If the U.S. continues to legalize pot, they’ll run us into the ground.”
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And that's a surprise to anyone besides those who supported the ridiculous "war on drugs?" The rest of us can say a collective "I told you so!" :P
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