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Re: FCC and Net Neutrality

Post by Defiant » Mon May 01, 2017 12:37 pm

Federal court lets net neutrality regulations stand
A federal appeals court on Monday rejected a request to review its decision upholding the Federal Communications Commission's net neutrality regulations.

The victory for net neutrality supporters comes just days after FCC Chairman Ajit Pai announced that he is starting proceedings to repeal the rules, and could set the stage for a Supreme Court showdown.

In its denial for what's called an en banc review, the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals' majority cited FCC Chairman Ajit Pai's plans to repeal the net neutrality rules.

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Re: FCC and Net Neutrality

Post by LordMortis » Thu May 18, 2017 3:25 pm

Moliere wrote:The FCC Graciously Sets Internet Providers Free to Sell Your Data
COMCAST, VERIZON, AND other internet service providers got the go-ahead from the Federal Communications Commission today to sell your personal information without your permission. At least for now.

Last October the agency passed a set of rules that would have required internet providers to take steps to protect your private data from hackers, notify you if someone hacked your data, and require your explicit permission before selling your data. Today the FCC suspended those rules before they took effect.

“The Federal Communications Commission and the Federal Trade Commission are committed to protecting the online privacy of American consumers,” FCC chairman Ajit Pai and Federal Trade Commission chairman Maureen K. Ohlhausen said in a joint statement today. “We believe that the best way to do that is through a comprehensive and consistent framework.”

The move may head off a congressional review of the rules that could have hobbled the FCC’s ability to make new privacy regulations in the future. The agency will now likely pass a set of less stringent rules more in line with the way the FTC regulates websites like Facebook and Google. If the FTC does at some point require websites to seek explicit permission before selling your data, the FCC may then follow suit for internet providers. Neither agency responded to a request for comment, but Pai has said in the past that he believed having divergent rules for websites and ISPs would lead to confusion among consumers. We’re not sure you’re going to find the new status quo exactly crystal clear.
EU not so impressed with company buying another company so they don't have to buy data, and slaps FB's wrist.

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Re: FCC and Net Neutrality

Post by LordMortis » Thu May 25, 2017 8:03 am

Fuck the GOP.

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I have one stick up my ass for nearly a decade and it's how ineffective the FCC and donotcall.gov is. I want to know why "xxx from credit services" has been able to call my cell forever from different numbers and how they have not been shut down yet after years of complaints throughout the US. I want to know why PACs and warranty extnesion services have cart blanche to robo dial me me with impunity and now the GOP want to call it protected speech?

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Re: FCC and Net Neutrality

Post by Smoove_B » Wed Jul 19, 2017 8:35 pm

Is he just working from a list? What's the next thing Obama worked on? Ok, undo that:
The Trump administration supports the Federal Communications Commission effort to overturn net neutrality rules passed during the Obama years, a White House spokesperson said yesterday.

"The previous administration went about this the wrong way by imposing rules on ISPs through the FCC's Title II rulemaking power," White House Deputy Press Secretary Sarah Sanders told reporters yesterday. "We support the FCC chair's efforts to review and consider rolling back these rules and believe that the best way to get fair rules for everyone is for Congress to take action and create regulatory and economic certainty."

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The Trump administration "believes that rules of the road are important for everyone—website providers, Internet service providers, and consumers alike," Sanders said. Trump himself hasn't talked much about net neutrality, but in a November 2014 tweet he called the rules "Obama's attack on the Internet" and claimed they would "target conservative media."

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Post by Pyperkub » Thu Aug 24, 2017 1:51 pm

AT&T being sued under Title II classification:
AT&T is facing a complaint alleging that it discriminates against poor people by providing fast service in wealthier communities and speeds as low as 1.5Mbps in low-income neighborhoods.

The formal complaint filed today with the Federal Communications Commission says that AT&T is violating the Communications Act's prohibition against unjust and unreasonable discrimination. That ban is part of Title II, which is best known as the authority used by the FCC to impose net neutrality rules. But as we've explained before, Title II also contains important consumer protections that go beyond net neutrality, such as a ban on discrimination in rates, practices, and offerings of services.
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Re: FCC and Net Neutrality

Post by Ralph-Wiggum » Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:20 am

And net neutrality is about to die. Can't there just be one thing this administration does that isn't terrible?

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Post by Paingod » Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:37 am

Ralph-Wiggum wrote:
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And net neutrality is about to die. Can't there just be one thing this administration does that isn't terrible?
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Post by Enough » Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:14 pm

Cue Don Meredeth, "Turn out the lights, the party's over."

I can only imagine that this will seriously hamper independent online startups and lead to yet more corporate hegemony and less economic growth. And of course if you are poor, look forward to your "basic" internet package that only allows you to visit MSM websites paying the ISPs for access. It's been fun while it lasted.
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Post by malchior » Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:10 pm

ISPs are also vertically integrating with MSM institutions despite Trump punishing AT&T. So they'll literally be able to lock you into their own media offerings. It is both very disappointing how broken our country is *and* how blatant and obvious it is.

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Post by Isgrimnur » Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:38 pm

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While the EU does have some fairly decent net neutrality rules, countries do have some leeway in terms of enforcement -- especially when it comes to "zero rating" (or the act of imposing usage caps, then exempting your own or a partner's content). So ISPs in Portugal have already started taking advantage of it in a way that eerily echoes the warnings net neutrality advocates have been making for years. Lisbon-based mobile and fixed broadband provider MEO has been selling broadband service tiers for some time that cap your internet data usage, after which they're happy to sell you additional buckets of data depending on which types of services you traditionally use:
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Re: FCC and Net Neutrality

Post by wonderpug » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:14 pm

Well, the internet was nice while it lasted.

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Post by gilraen » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:56 pm

Federal courts have already upheld net neutrality once. This is heading straight back to court.

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I thought I saw something about alternative internet access already in the works.
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Post by Holman » Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:26 pm

Spread the word!
"Net Neutrality" means corporations can't pay to manipulate how you use the internet (PORN).
If this goes away, not only will all your data (PORN HABITS) be scrutinized by telecom companies, they can decide how fast your internet works on certain websites (YOUR PORN WON'T LOAD).
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Re: FCC and Net Neutrality

Post by Smoove_B » Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:10 pm

Oh wow. I wonder what life will be like with slower internet?

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Post by Max Peck » Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:15 pm

Smoove_B wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:10 pm
Oh wow. I wonder what life will be like with slower internet?
Sure, it'll be slower for some people, but it'll be more expensive for everyone.
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Re: FCC and Net Neutrality

Post by Smoove_B » Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:22 pm

Oh wow, I wonder what it'll be like to pay $65 a month for a 5 Mbps DSL line. Burn it all the fuck down; this whole thing is ridiculous. In the words of Howard Stern, F the FCC, F Trump and F anyone that agreed to any of this. Honestly, if people don't riot after this nonsense, I really don't know what it would take anymore.

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Re: FCC and Net Neutrality

Post by GreenGoo » Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:15 pm

Smoove_B wrote:
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Oh wow. I wonder what life will be like with slower internet?
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Post by Pyperkub » Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:21 pm

Max Peck wrote:
Smoove_B wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:10 pm
Oh wow. I wonder what life will be like with slower internet?
Sure, it'll be slower for some people, but it'll be more expensive for everyone.
Especially with the asshole in charge who thinks a single isp choice is competition.
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Post by Chaz » Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:42 pm

Pyperkub wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:21 pm
Max Peck wrote:
Smoove_B wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:10 pm
Oh wow. I wonder what life will be like with slower internet?
Sure, it'll be slower for some people, but it'll be more expensive for everyone.
Especially with the asshole in charge who thinks a single isp choice is competition.
Sure it is! Hell, I've got a whopping TWO choices where I am. I can have broadband through Comcast for whatever they decide to charge me. I can also get DSL through Fairpoint, which will be ~$35/month for a whopping 7mbps download, max. What a great set of options I have!
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Re: FCC and Net Neutrality

Post by Smoove_B » Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:33 pm

I have one choice. As everyone can tell, it's working out great. I really am curious to see the pushback on this given what I perceive to be (not that I get to experience) the switch to streaming media over the last 5+ (decade?) years. This feels like there should be some pretty severe resistance, but up is down lately so I honestly don't know what will happen.

Also: I would wrestle goats on Pay Per View to gain access to a 7 Mbps DSL line. That's 40% faster than my current speed.

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Post by Zarathud » Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:45 pm

The goats would end up eating your DSL cable but it would be entertaining.
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Post by Enough » Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:47 pm

Thing is I have raged on this subject for years with those I know are open to my raging but for some reason many of the people in my life still look like a deer lost in the headlights every time net neutrality comes up. There's a level of understanding here and on reddit that is not really that common among the normals as it were. I have a feeling it won't really come to a head until people in mass start getting really bit in the ass by it and then it might be too late.
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I hate our government. This administration has done nothing good for us and actually seems bent on hurting it's citizens outright.
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Post by Holman » Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:00 pm

Called all of PA's elected officials today, and also (FWIW) tweeted directly to Ajit Pai.
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Post by Kraken » Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:21 am

At John Oliver's urging, I went to the site and filled out the form.



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Linky no worky (on iOS at least)

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Re: FCC and Net Neutrality

Post by Holman » Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:17 am

NY AG Eric Schneiderman has been investigating a scheme to corrupt the FCC's comment process on Net Neutrality.

FCC is not cooperating.
Specifically, for six months my office has been investigating who perpetrated a massive scheme to corrupt the FCC’s notice and comment process through the misuse of enormous numbers of real New Yorkers’ and other Americans’ identities. Such conduct likely violates state law — yet the FCC has refused multiple requests for crucial evidence in its sole possession that is vital to permit that law enforcement investigation to proceed.
In May 2017, researchers and reporters discovered that the FCC’s public comment process was being corrupted by the submission of enormous numbers of fake comments concerning the possible repeal of net neutrality rules. In doing so, the perpetrator or perpetrators attacked what is supposed to be an open public process by attempting to drown out and negate the views of the real people, businesses, and others who honestly commented on this important issue. Worse, while some of these fake comments used made up names and addresses, many misused the real names and addresses of actual people as part of the effort to undermine the integrity of the comment process. That’s akin to identity theft, and it happened on a massive scale.
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Post by Kraken » Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:53 pm

Carpet_pissr wrote:
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Linky no worky (on iOS at least)
Both the embedded video and the gofccyourself link work fine in Windows/Firefox. On my pc, anyway.

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Form submitted to the FCC.
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Re: FCC and Net Neutrality

Post by Jaymann » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:30 pm

Jaymann wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:18 pm
I thought I saw something about alternative internet access already in the works.
This is what I saw. Makes sense for the future of net neutral internet to go local, as long as the telecoms can't outlaw it.
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Post by Kraken » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:37 pm

Jaymann wrote:
Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:30 pm
Jaymann wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:18 pm
I thought I saw something about alternative internet access already in the works.
This is what I saw. Makes sense for the future of net neutral internet to go local, as long as the telecoms can't outlaw it.
It could work. My ISP is also my electric company and cable provider -- taxpayer-owned, locally controlled, nonprofit. Socialism FTW!

I know municipal utilities have been shackled against competing with the telecoms in much of the country, but as the article points out private startups could step into the same role.

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Re: FCC and Net Neutrality

Post by Smoove_B » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:42 pm

Jaymann wrote:
Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:06 pm
Form submitted to the FCC.
Let's see how the last round of comments were handled:
the commission said it didn’t really care about the public’s opinion on net neutrality unless it was phrased in unique legal terms. The vast majority of the 22 million comments were form letters, the official said, and unless those letters introduced new facts into the record or made serious legal arguments, they didn’t have much bearing on the decision. The commission didn’t care about comments that were only stating opinion.

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Post by malchior » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:46 pm

You could almost conclude our government is seemingly completely unaccountable to the vox populi.

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Post by Isgrimnur » Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:31 pm

Vertical integration in the communications/entertainment industries are creating the new trusts and should be curtailed.

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Post by Alefroth » Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:54 pm

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Jaymann wrote:
Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:06 pm
Form submitted to the FCC.
Let's see how the last round of comments were handled:
the commission said it didn’t really care about the public’s opinion on net neutrality unless it was phrased in unique legal terms. The vast majority of the 22 million comments were form letters, the official said, and unless those letters introduced new facts into the record or made serious legal arguments, they didn’t have much bearing on the decision. The commission didn’t care about comments that were only stating opinion.
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Re: FCC and Net Neutrality

Post by malchior » Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:25 pm

I think we aren't being fair to the monocle class here. We should totally understand that their paid for policy is way more important than what people in a democracy want. We should also understand that huge telecoms should get to use their near monopoly power to squeeze excess profits out of their customers. They'll totally use that money to improve the product.

It isn't like Verizon once promised the state of NJ that they'd build them a higher education fiber network, got paid billions for it, and then never delivered it. And NJ just looked the other way because it is one of the biggest employers in the state. Or how they totally stopped their FIOS rollout as soon as they wired up a majority of the wealthy neighborhoods nationwide. Or how Comcast and Verizon have blocked municipal Internet utilities. I mean there is little evidence that this won't be a disaster of a policy that only serves the wealthy versus expanding access to the poor. :grund:

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Re: FCC and Net Neutrality

Post by malchior » Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:05 pm

Meanwhile on Reddit during the Flynn-viction/Tax Reform event--the whole front page (/r/all) is being overwhelmed with posts about net neutrality. The battle for our country is not being televised - it is almost entirely online. It should be out on the streets.

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