Octopus Overlords

Posted: **Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:11 am**

So secret North Korean bases are good?

Posted: **Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:16 am**

The quoted bit posted here from the article clearly states they know about it, but just they’re not discussing it. Every day just brings more evidence that we’re dealing with a would be autocrat.

Posted: **Thu Nov 15, 2018 2:55 pm**

If things go bad? I thought they couldn't go bad because you resolved the entire NK crisis.

Posted: **Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:27 pm**

POTUS wrote:North Korea, under the leadership of Kim Jong Un, will become a great Economic Powerhouse. He may surprise some but he won’t surprise me, because I have gotten to know him & fully understand how capable he is. North Korea will become a different kind of Rocket - an Economic one!

No infrastructure outside the capital, an undereducated and undernourished populace, few natural resources, and absolutely no freedom to innovate. An Economic Powerhouse Rocket!!

"I have gotten to know him." (They met once for an hour under strict and translated circumstances, and they've exchanged a few diplomatic flatteries since. I assume Trump is going with his infallible gut here.)

Posted: **Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:35 pm**

What's taking so long? He's been supreme leader for 8 years.

Posted: **Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:29 pm**

Posted: **Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:20 pm**

Does he understand that there are a large number of sanctions on NK hindering their economic growth, many of which originate from the country he's the president of? Is this foreshadowing for the US dropping those sanctions?

I'm just learning that the Policy Enhancement Act of 2016 exists that requires the President to sanction entities found to have contributed to North Korea's weapons of mass destruction program, arms trade, human rights abuses, or other illegal activities.

Does he know he must implement sanctions under the law of the country he's the president of?

I look forward to NK becoming an economic powerhouse while the US (and lots of others, including Canada) strangles it to death economically.

Good lord. Good. Lord.

Posted: **Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:39 pm**

USA Today

Ahead of a summit between President Trump and Kim Jong Un, Vietnam has deported a man who impersonates the North Korean leader.

Howard X, a Hong Kong resident who is a Kim Jong Un lookalike, and Trump impersonator Russell White were detained by authorities during a TV interview last week after staging a fake summit, the BBC reports.

"Both Russell and I are annoyed at being monitored 24/7, but at the same time honored that the government felt that we as impersonators were considered important enough for them to spend their resources keeping tabs on us," Howard X said on Facebook.

Monday, Vietnamese officials sent Howard X out of the country because he said his visa was invalid. White was permitted to stay, but was asked to stop impersonating Trump in public, Agence France-Presse reports.

Posted: **Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:49 pm**

All the Bozo the clown impersonators in South Korea just got a cold chill down their spines.

Posted: **Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:45 pm**

GreenGoo wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:20 pm Does he understand that there are a large number of sanctions on NK hindering their economic growth, many of which originate from the country he's the president of? Is this foreshadowing for the US dropping those sanctions?

I'm just learning that the Policy Enhancement Act of 2016 exists that requires the President to sanction entities found to have contributed to North Korea's weapons of mass destruction program, arms trade, human rights abuses, or other illegal activities.

Does he know he must implement sanctions under the law of the country he's the president of?

I look forward to NK becoming an economic powerhouse while the US (and lots of others, including Canada) strangles it to death economically.

Good lord. Good. Lord.

Love how he thinks that they can come out of the 'stone ages' to economic powerhouse with a simple snap of the fingers.
Any indication on how much capital investment would be needed?..............

Posted: **Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:54 pm**

Trump doesn't believe it. He just believes Kim is susceptible to flattery, and he thinks this is an inspired move no one ever thought of before.

There will also be some bribery mixed in, as Trump negotiates some sort of giveaway (such as bringing U.S. troops home) for the short-term gain of appearing to make progress.

Kim will play the same game, knowing that Trump is desperate for good press. The difference is that Kim's gains will benefit his regime while Trump's will benefit only Donald Trump.

Posted: **Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:16 pm**

Holman wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:54 pm The difference is that Kim's gains will benefit his regime while Trump's will benefit only Donald Trump.

Because the NK regime is Kim. How drumpf envies him.

Posted: **Mon Feb 25, 2019 3:50 pm**

It doesn't matter how North Korea is going to transform it's economy. The only important thing is the licensing deal that transforms the Ryugyong Hotel into Trump Tower Pyongyan.

Posted: **Mon Feb 25, 2019 4:18 pm**

Jesus H. Christ. Has there EVER been an example of a U.S. president lavishing this much praise and adoration on a well established tyrant ruling over one of the world's most impressive regimes, and with numerous, proven human rights violations, in our history?

Trump is, without a doubt, a traitor. He would sell his own children for praise. Neville Chamberlain has stopped turning over in his grave and can now rest peacefully in the knowledge he's no longer the poster boy for appeasement with war mongering dictators.

Posted: **Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:13 pm**

hepcat wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 4:18 pm a well established tyrant ruling over one of the world's most impressive regimes

Dammit! He's getting to you. RESIST, Hepcat!

Posted: **Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:54 pm**

Can't speak for hepcat but I'm assuming his phone betrayed him again, making repressive into impressive.

Posted: **Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:33 pm**

Typo win of the day!

Although I did mean to write Marlboro when referring to Maduro in another thread. That’s just what I hear when I see his name.

Posted: **Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:37 pm**

GreenGoo wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:54 pm Can't speak for hepcat but I'm assuming his phone betrayed him again, making repressive into impressive.

I put my money on oppressive

Posted: **Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:44 pm**

hepcat wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:33 pm Typo win of the day!

Although I did mean to write Marlboro when referring to Maduro in another thread. That’s just what I hear when I see his name.

Hah. I was more confident that Marlboro was a typo than this one.

Posted: **Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:46 pm**

Unagi wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:37 pm
GreenGoo wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:54 pm Can't speak for hepcat but I'm assuming his phone betrayed him again, making repressive into impressive.

I put my money on oppressive

Well yeah. Having my own typo problems that are being exacerbated by my phone, which is what lead me down this path in the first place.

Posted: **Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:34 am**

(moved from general foreign policy thread:)

Well, Trump is in Vietnam for talks with Kim. Big foreign policy news.

I suppose this might push collusion off the front page for a few--

Posted: **Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:50 am**

It's getting late in Vietnam. Trump is done for the day, and the Cohen hearings have just begun.

What are the odds that Trump tweets out some sort of insane North Korea "deal" just to try to eclipse the news from Washington?

"Your favorite President, ME, has decided to give the US Navy 7th Fleet to North Korea as a gesture of goodwill between Best Friend Nations! Something NO other president has ever been able to do!"

Posted: **Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:30 pm**

MSNBC wrote:JUST IN: Exclusive: US negotiators no longer demanding North Korea agree to disclose full accounting of nuclear weapons and ballistic missile programs as part of talks between President Trump and Kim Jong Un, according to current and former US officials.

Friends can trust each other, OK?? Otherwise, how are they friends?

Posted: **Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:49 am**

Apparently the summit it over, earlier than expected, and the signing ceremony was cancelled.

Sounds like maybe the love affair hit a snag?

Posted: **Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:51 am**

and in 10 minutes, he will be holding a 2:00 am (Eastern Time) news conference on it.

lols.

Posted: **Thu Feb 28, 2019 8:14 am**

So weird how Trump trusts dictators when they claim ignorance of Americans getting torture-murdered.

Posted: **Thu Feb 28, 2019 9:22 am**

I can't imagine being that kids parents and hearing this.

What a total disgrace of a President.

Of course, I suppose it makes perfect sense for Trump to constantly try and build up the value of the "I took him at his word" currency.... cause that's pretty much Trump's only defense himself - to lie and ask someone to just take him for his word.

Posted: **Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:13 am**

Trump brought Otto home and the family lost value after the spotlight was gone. Welcome to the transactional cowardice that is Donald Trump.

Posted: **Thu Feb 28, 2019 12:15 pm**

So Trump effectively concedes NK's right to remain a nuclear power indefinitely, as long as it doesn't do anything openly provocative. He bans reporters from his state dinner because a free press isn't polite. He reaffirms his love for the dictator, and in return, he gets...angry? This must all be part of his master plan.

Posted: **Thu Feb 28, 2019 12:21 pm**

You just don't understand the Art of the Deal, crafted by the master negotiator.

Posted: **Thu Feb 28, 2019 12:54 pm**

Trump fails to make deal to disarm North Korea of nukes. Finally some news to make democrats happy!

Posted: **Thu Feb 28, 2019 12:58 pm**

Did anyone think Trump was going to pull off anything substantive? Kim Jong Un played him like a fiddle. He got the leader of America to call him a friend, and his face on every paper in the world. He's got the legitimacy he's always sought...that North Korea has always sought.

Donald J Trump: Friend to dictators all over the world.

America's values have taken a nose dive since the orange doofus took over. Although that doesn't matter to the GOP. They're in it for themselves.

Posted: **Thu Feb 28, 2019 1:28 pm**

US history is filled with "transactional" relationships with other countries. The Yalta Conference which led to the carving up of Europe post-WW2 is an interesting study. But unlike Yalta this so-called master negotiator doesn't seem to be getting a thing in exchange for his kowtowing towards N. Korea, Russia, Saudi Arabia, etc. and if anything is weakening us as a country. This isn't a casino deal or the NYC real estate market and Trump has really pissed away our reputation for I don't even know what gain. Guess what America, perhaps if you wanted a businessman running the country it would have been better to get one that wasn't such a failure.

Posted: **Thu Feb 28, 2019 1:45 pm**

Just a reminder that this isn't the first time drumpf has met with Kim. Last time he came home with assurances and nothing substantive as well, and Kim promptly ignored those assurances. Drumpf is going to, one day hopefully, realize why every previous president kept piling on the sanctions instead of "being nice" to NK.

I'm sure Rip et al have rationales for why all this is a positive thing though. Hell, drumpf is up for a Nobel. He must be doing something right, just like Obama.

Posted: **Fri Mar 01, 2019 8:51 am**

$iljanus wrote:Guess what America, perhaps if you wanted a businessman running the country it would have been better to get one that wasn't such a failure.

If only America learned its lesson from colossal mistakes.

Posted: **Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:12 am**

This is getting harder and harder to see as mere cluelessness.

Posted: **Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:29 am**

'Cause we are living in a mercurial world,
And I am a mercurial guy...

Posted: **Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:31 am**

Trump's daddy issues are going to be his downfall...or ours, I haven't figured out that part yet.

Posted: **Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:42 am**

hepcat wrote:Trump's daddy issues are going to be his downfall...or ours, I haven't figured out that part yet.

I was going to say everyone loses but since the odds are that the Donald may walk away from the steaming pile of shit he's left us, we are the losers. I can see him doing the speech and book tour of various non-extradition treaty countries or places that will be difficult to go after his money in a civil suit if it came to that.

Posted: **Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:59 am**

hepcat wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 12:58 pm Did anyone think Trump was going to pull off anything substantive? Kim Jong Un played him like a fiddle. He got the leader of America to call him a friend, and his face on every paper in the world. He's got the legitimacy he's always sought...that North Korea has always sought.

Donald J Trump: Friend to dictators all over the world.

America's values have taken a nose dive since the orange doofus took over. Although that doesn't matter to the GOP. They're in it for themselves.

It's not just pure ineptitude and not just Jung Un.
Russia sells a ton of oil to North Korea off book and against sanctions. Remember, Trump's lawyer who set up the meeting also represents Russian businessmen. And the Russians were in Viet Nam this week too, IIRC. Nothing like billions of dollars to make things happen.

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