I will admit I don't read every single one of your RP posts, but I do read the ones I reply to (I probably read most of your posts actually) and I think my history here hopefully indicates I am a thoughtful/serious poster. And fwiw, I find you a thoughtful poster as well.
Your post and MSD's read to me like you immediately bought into the family's point of view when you say things like "whoops
" and "good work research team!
" and MSD says the whole thing "is a political hit job
" and "Who is the bully here?
" My view is that it's very likely some sort of bullying went on given the five witnesses testimony and YK is certainly right one guy's bullying is another person's prank. But I also feel any reasonable standard would find an 18 year old with a gang of his buddies holding down a guy and forcibly cutting off his hair isn't just bullying, that's straight up assault and battery by someone that could have been charged as an adult.
I'm absolutely willing to agree that the story came up because of politics and there are axes to grind, that's what happens when one runs for POTUS, welcome to the microscope. Character issues are a squishy subjective thing influenced as much by looks and preconceived notions as by any real facts and it's a shame so many decide their ballots that way, but here we are. So sure it's a political story.
Oh and full disclosure: when I was in 4-6th grade I was horribly bullied on a daily basis and regularly got held down by ganged up bullies and badly beat up, so I do have a dog in this hunt and my own preconceived notions. Also, I was friends with a Republican congressman's family growing up and got to see his son's "youthful indiscretions" first hand when he and a group of his friends accosted an acquaintance of mine on the street calling him a longhair and then beat down on him until he recited the Pledge of Allegiance properly. The guy who was attacked filed assault charges but the police didn't file charges for months and then the whole thing blew up into a particularly nasty civil trial (here's the only reference
I could find on this old story for the doubting). So I will grant my perception is a bit colored on this issue, but knowing that I am waiting to see if we get any more actionable facts to counter-balance my bias coming in. Are you claiming you are immune from such self-referential pull coming from your own life experiences and passionate beliefs?
Frankly I don't expect anyone to read all of my R&P posts, but I do expect someone to actually keep up with what I have already posted in a relatively short thread. I have addressed nearly every issue you have brought up already. I simply have repeated myself several times in this very thread as a result of people not actually reading what has already been posted.
To repeat myself once more:
Yes I am biased. I have stated such from nearly the very first post in this thread. I absolutely said pages ago that:
Again Someone Awesome wrote:Our perception of Mitt Romney clouds our judgement of the situation just like it does for every politician.
My perception is shaped by many things which I have gone deep into in this thread.
Look no further than here
to see me already answering your question before you even asked it.
I do not know what occurred that day. It could have happened for all I know, but the axes to grind make me question if it went down as written in the article not to mention other inconsistencies already pointed out.
Regardless of if it happened or not though I think it is irrelevant. I have been clear about this since the very first page of this thread. I even brought research to show why people should probably think twice before assuming Mitt Romney is the same person he was when he was 18.
To quote myself again:
That Awesome Person Again wrote:This incident in no way makes Mitt Romney less qualified to be President of the United States. It in no way changes who he is today. He is in his 60s and those opposing him have to go all the way back to high school to find something on this level that he did to hurt someone else? That sounds like 48 years of clean living, 48 years of proof that he is a different man today than the kid who pinned that kid down and cut his hair. If 48 years of a life lived contradictory to this example are not enough to show a change and maturation in a person I don't know what is.
Quite honestly we aren't being asked to choose whether 16 year old [edit: 18 year old] Mitt Romney would be a better leader of our country than 16 year old President Obama. To think that either man is the same now as they were when they were 16 is a ridiculous presumption. Biology says they are not. Life experience says they are not. Common sense says they are not.
So to give a Reader's Digest version:
1. I do not know if this alleged incident happened
2. Yes I do doubt the intentions of Mr. Maxwell
3. Yes I do think this article is politically motivated
4. If this alleged incident happened I do not think it is acceptable behavior
5. That being said the fact that it happened 50 years ago make is a bit irrelevant in my eyes (see above)
6. If it indeed did happen I think 50 years of a life lived in a completely different manner is enough to show change of heart. If not I don't know what is.