Political Randomness

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 6:41 pm

Lithuanian nationalists celebrate Holocaust-era quisling, Pepe the Frog near execution site

Lithuanian ultranationalists marched near execution sites of Jews with banners celebrating a pro-Nazi collaborationist who called for ethnic cleansing and a symbol popular with members of the U.S. “alt-right” movement.

Approximately 170 people attended Thursday’s annual march in Kaunas, Lithuania’s second city that is also known as Kovno, the website Defending History reported.

The main banner featured a picture of the collaborationist Kazys Skirpa modified to resemble Pepe the Frog, a cartoon figure that was used by hate groups in the United States during the 2016 presidential elections, according to the Anti-Defamation League.

The banner also included a quote attributed to the Pepe-like portrait of Skirpa, an envoy of the pro-Nazi movement in Lithuania to Berlin, that read “Lithuania will contribute to new and better European order.”

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 9:10 am

Fake news that has it all. 2nd Amendment. Illegal Immigration crime. Mexico Border crossing. Fund raising. Obamacare. Private citizen medical care. Heroic action in the name of God. Self referential for fake news.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 91471.html

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 9:36 am

This seems as good a place as any. I was listening to the podcast "The Axe Files", hosted by David Axelrod, in particular his interview with Fox News host Chris Wallace (which was an excellent conversation by the way). At the end, Axelrod made a point that seems like an important one as we are all dragged aboard the Trump train:

David Axelrod wrote:I worry that...and we're all guilty of some of this...that if the news media becomes...you search for outlets that affirm your point of view, rather than inform your point of view - then we're losing something that's fundamental to a democracy.

Seems like a valid concern, albeit maybe 25 years too late.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 9:38 am

LordMortis wrote:Fake news that has it all. 2nd Amendment. Illegal Immigration crime. Mexico Border crossing. Fund raising. Obamacare. Private citizen medical care. Heroic action in the name of God. Self referential for fake news.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 91471.html

We stand with the Daughtery's RV.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 10:12 am

RunningMn9 wrote:This seems as good a place as any. I was listening to the podcast "The Axe Files", hosted by David Axelrod, in particular his interview with Fox News host Chris Wallace (which was an excellent conversation by the way). At the end, Axelrod made a point that seems like an important one as we are all dragged aboard the Trump train:

David Axelrod wrote:I worry that...and we're all guilty of some of this...that if the news media becomes...you search for outlets that affirm your point of view, rather than inform your point of view - then we're losing something that's fundamental to a democracy.
Seems like a valid concern, albeit maybe 25 years too late.

I don't think the battle line was drawn media, though. I tried to find "objective" reporting between November and January. It just wasn't there. I find liberal reporting to often be disingenuous but I can sort through that. I just can't sort through conservative flat out lies. So, I'm not searching for news to entrench my point of view. I'm just enshrouded in them because the ones that don't are off the deep end.

OtOH, I think my favorite news source is Nightly Business Report because their "political slant" is what do investors need to know about the world. They only get in the muck, so far as the muck affects "the market".

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Thu Feb 23, 2017 1:52 pm

DNC race tight as Democrats seek gains against Trump

Just days before Democratic activists pick a new party chair, the contest to head the Democratic National Committee remains fluid, as national leaders grapple with how to turn an outpouring of liberal protest against President Donald Trump into political gains.

A tight race between front-runners Tom Perez, a former labor secretary, and Rep. Keith Ellison, a Minnesota congressman, marks the first heavily contested battle to run the organization in recent history. The contest comes with Democrats facing a power deficit in Washington and around the country after years of losses in Congress, governor's mansions and statehouses, while also having no unifying national leader since former President Barack Obama left the White House.

Perez, who was encouraged by Obama administration officials to run for the post, has emerged as the apparent front-runner, with independent Democratic strategists tracking him at about 205 votes. But it's not yet clear whether Perez or Ellison - or one of six other long-shot candidates - is positioned to capture the required majority of the 447-member national party committee.

The strategists spoke on condition of anonymity because many DNC members they track do not want the vote count discussed publicly.

Ellison, backed by Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and his supporters, has the support of about 153 members, the strategists said. Ellison spokesman Brett Morrow blasted the count as "totally inaccurate" and said his camp remains "incredibly confident."

Gee, Brett, why does that sound familiar...

So, if it was up to you, who'd be your pick?

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Thu Feb 23, 2017 2:01 pm

LordMortis wrote:I tried to find "objective" reporting between November and January. It just wasn't there.

Out of curiosity, how are you testing objectivity?

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Feb 23, 2017 2:27 pm

RunningMn9 wrote:
LordMortis wrote:I tried to find "objective" reporting between November and January. It just wasn't there.
Out of curiosity, how are you testing objectivity?

One, honesty. Which is to say either it is fact checked or treated as developing.
Two, with minimal editorial slant, which is to say without trying to guide my reading to a guided, politicized conclusion.

Again, for me objectivity is what you see in things like NBR, but they don't cover much of the stuff you see going on in our R&P world.

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:00 pm

LordMortis wrote:One, honesty. Which is to say either it is fact checked or treated as developing.
Two, with minimal editorial slant, which is to say without trying to guide my reading to a guided, politicized conclusion.

How do you tell the difference between the facts providing their own editorial slant, and that of the author? Meaning, any factual story about the behavior of Trump is going to be less than flattering with regard to Trump. Because he is objectively a piece of shit.

The editorial slant that I've seen this election cycle (from normal "liberal" outfits like traditional print media) has been focused much more on normalizing Trump's insanity, to avoid the charge of being too biased.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:36 pm

RunningMn9 wrote:How do you tell the difference between the facts providing their own editorial slant, and that of the author? Meaning, any factual story about the behavior of Trump is going to be less than flattering with regard to Trump. Because he is objectively a piece of shit.

The editorial slant that I've seen this election cycle (from normal "liberal" outfits like traditional print media) has been focused much more on normalizing Trump's insanity, to avoid the charge of being too biased.

I have not seen this from the corrupt and lying fake news media at all.

Using the way back machine, I go back to the between november and January in chunks of 5 pages on the thread until I hit December. First page I hit

http://octopusoverlords.com/forum/viewt ... start=4160

First mainstream news piece on that page

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/eu ... story.html

It opens with

WARSAW — The Law and Justice Party rode to power on a pledge to drain the swamp of Polish politics and roll back the legacy of the previous administration. One year later, its patriotic revolution, the party proclaims, has cleaned house and brought God and country back to Poland.

Opponents, however, see the birth of a neo-Dark Age — one that, as President-elect Donald Trump prepares to move into the White House, is a harbinger of the power of populism to upend a Western society. In merely a year, critics say, the nationalists have transformed Poland into a surreal and insular place — one where state-sponsored conspiracy theories and de facto propaganda distract the public as democracy erodes.

It reads with all of the guided editorialization of us here on OO. I'm not a professional rhetorician or forensic linguist so I don't have the tools to tell you why it jumps out at me this way. I apologize.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Thu Feb 23, 2017 4:26 pm

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Thu Feb 23, 2017 4:27 pm

Just reading the part that you quoted, I'm not sure I understand the issue. The first paragraph is giving you what one side claims. The second paragraph is telling me what the opponents are saying. Sure, they are relating it to Trump - for obvious reasons. Because Trump rode to power on the same sorts of nationalistic, anti-corruption rhetoric.

Look, I'm not arguing that the Washington Post doesn't have a left-leaning editorial bias. I'm just asking that we not conflate them with the trash that shows up on your Facebook feed from Occupy Democrats.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Feb 23, 2017 4:46 pm

RunningMn9 wrote:I'm just asking that we not conflate them with the trash that shows up on your Facebook feed from Occupy Democrats.

I don't block WaPo. I do block Occupy Democrats and I've finally broken down and gone a step further. I publicly begged friends not to post repeated obvious propaganda from sites in such a way that I can't block those sites, with the result being that I would be forced to block *you* as my friend. To date, I have blocked four repeat offenders, one of which is a first cousin, another a friend I've known long enough to not know of a time they weren't my friend... A third long time friend liked my proclamation about three days before he was blocked (for posting two links coincidentally from Occupy Democrats that I couldn't block in one day)

I do consider WaPo to be one of the more slanted (of the acceptable) media and my skepticism runs deep when I read them. On a continuum it might go something like Mother Jones<WaPo<MSNBC<NYT<NBR. I think of NBR as fairly objective and anything more slanted the Mother Jones gets disregarded or at best heads me resourcing the information from somewhere else.

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Thu Feb 23, 2017 5:10 pm

I generally treat WaPo and NYT the same, and that's become my general source for what's going on. As you've noted, I've had a lifetime spent removing what I perceived to be liberal bias from sources, so maybe I just do it on auto-pilot now? How you've made the determination that MSNBC is more objective than WaPo, I don't know.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Feb 23, 2017 5:19 pm

RunningMn9 wrote:I generally treat WaPo and NYT the same, and that's become my general source for what's going on. As you've noted, I've had a lifetime spent removing what I perceived to be liberal bias from sources, so maybe I just do it on auto-pilot now? How you've made the determination that MSNBC is more objective than WaPo, I don't know.

That might be my MSNBC filter. I live and die by NBR which is spawned from MSNBC and I have blinders that prevent me recognizing the likes of Rachel Maddow, whom I think is way smarter and better at connecting the dots than I could dream to be but can be trusted to present you with the full picture that she very well knows about as well as a duck can trust a fox to take care of its eggs.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Thu Feb 23, 2017 5:24 pm

Texas school lunches

At an event designed to promote getting more local produce into school cafeterias, Texas Agriculture Commissioner Sid Miller criticized one school system’s introduction of “Meatless Mondays,” calling it nutritionally unsound.

“We’re not doing that in Texas,” Miller told the Rivard Report after making the comments during a speech Wednesday at a Farm to School workshop hosted by the Northeast Independent School District at the Piper Bass Memorial Student Center. “That’s not healthy. Not only is it stupid, it’s not healthy. This is Texas – we’re going to eat beef.”

The controversial state agriculture commissioner, who was on a short list of candidates to be President Donald Trump’s Agriculture Secretary, has criticized federal school lunch program guidelines and made a show of granting “amnesty” to cupcakes in school cafeterias and classrooms.

“I’m a Republican and more of a local control person,” Miller said. “We oversee 5 million schools’ meals each day, and I took a different approach when I became commissioner. We had all these mandates in our schools – no more deep fryers, soda machines, and bake sales. That didn’t sit too well with me.”

Miller called federal government mandates “well intentioned,” but said that they just don’t work.
...
Miller said his approach in the fight against childhood obesity is to collaborate with schools instead of issuing mandates. Despite criticizing the “Meatless Mondays” instituted in Dripping Springs public schools, Miller has been a champion of school gardens, exercise programs, and Farm Fresh Friday, which makes available fresh local produce in schools once a week. He told the Rivard Report there are around 144 schools participating in the Farm Fresh Friday program.
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One of several invited guest speakers, Miller said he wants to make the lunch room “fun again,” which is why he brought back deep fryers and drink machines with federally approved drinks that are low in sugar.
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“Somewhere in an industrial kitchen – probably Sysco’s – they deep-fry whatever it is and add additives, preservatives, and dyes and other junk,” Miller said. “If you bring the deep fryer in and buy a locally grown potato, cook it cut it up and cook it fresh for lunch – no additives no dyes, no preservatives – which ones do you think the kids will eat? The fresh. It’s just healthier.”

Enough · Post by **Enough** » Thu Feb 23, 2017 10:48 pm

This may require it's own thread, but AZ is about to make it so any organizers and participants of a peaceful protest that turns violent (even if by outside agitators of any kind) can be arrested and subject to property forfeiture. And worse, if police simply believe it might turn violent, they can also arrest you. Scary shit, but it is important to remember when you join the Women's March or the Science March there is real risk. So stay away citizen if you know what's good for your family.

Claiming people are being paid to riot, Republican state senators voted Wednesday to give police new power to arrest anyone who is involved in a peaceful demonstration that may turn bad — even before anything actually happened.

SB1142 expands the state’s racketeering laws, now aimed at organized crime, to also include rioting. And it redefines what constitutes rioting to include actions that result in damage to the property of others.

But the real heart of the legislation is what Democrats say is the guilt by association — and giving the government the right to criminally prosecute and seize the assets of everyone who planned a protest and everyone who participated. And what’s worse, said Sen. Steve Farley, D-Tucson, is that the person who may have broken a window, triggering the claim there was a riot, might actually not be a member of the group but someone from the other side.

Enough · Post by **Enough** » Thu Feb 23, 2017 10:53 pm

OMG, LOL. I just had a thought about all those open carry protestors of which there are lots in AZ. How will this new law be applied in that scenario?

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Thu Feb 23, 2017 11:00 pm

It's pretty stunning how quickly Republicans are moving to criminalize protest and cast suspicion on anyone who shows up at a town hall meeting except to cheer.

Did I say "stunning"? I mean repressive, despicable, and un-American.

TheMix · Post by **TheMix** » Fri Feb 24, 2017 12:19 am

Remember, it's only a free speech violation when the protesters interfere with the right of someone to speak, not when the government suppresses the protesters... Or something like that.

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:40 pm

Budapest drops 2024 bid: Why nobody wants to host the Olympic Games

Budapest has abandoned its bid for the 2024 Summer Olympics, a move that leaves Los Angeles and Paris as the only potential host cities.

The decision was confirmed by a Budapest 2024 bid official, who said Hungary's capital city was pulling out because of a lack of political support for the project. Activists had collected hundreds of thousands of signatures from Hungarians who did not want to host the event.

There's one big reason support drained away: the high cost of hosting the Olympics.

dbt1949 · Post by **dbt1949** » Sat Feb 25, 2017 6:50 am

It used to be when I read about other countries that disagreed or disliked us I used to feel a bit sad/bad.
Now I think of them as disliking Trump and not the USA and I feel okay.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Sat Feb 25, 2017 8:55 am

dbt1949 wrote:It used to be when I read about other countries that disagreed or disliked us I used to feel a bit sad/bad.
Now I think of them as disliking Trump and not the USA and I feel okay.

I used to think of generic lobs of anti-sentiment with an attitude of righteousness. (specific attacks were on a case by case basis. Our actions in Iraq going back at least to the 80s are, quite frankly, criminal. One thing Trump is right about is "you think our hands are clean?") Now I see that we put Trump in office, in power, and I feel a daily overwhelming sense of shame or perhaps morose. Trump is the USA. He is our chosen ambassador with penultimate authority to act on our behalf to us and to the world.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:09 am

Tom Perez is the new DNC chair, narrowly beating out Keith Ellison (232-200), who was being pushed by Sanders and his wing of the party. Naturally the Sanderistas in my FB feed are theatening to take their ball and go home.

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:25 am

El Guapo wrote:Tom Perez is the new DNC chair, narrowly beating out Keith Ellison (232-200), who was being pushed by Sanders and his wing of the party. Naturally the Sanderistas in my FB feed are theatening to take their ball and go home.

Trump thanks them for their support.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 7568200705

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:56 am

El Guapo wrote:Tom Perez is the new DNC chair, narrowly beating out Keith Ellison (232-200), who was being pushed by Sanders and his wing of the party. Naturally the Sanderistas in my FB feed are theatening to take their ball and go home.

One hopes that the establishment wing is savvy enough to stop establishmenting.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:52 am

I've been seeing stuff like this:

In response to explicitly comparing losing an election for Democratic Party chair to Jim Crow, all I can say is don't let the doors hit you on the way out on your way to Tofu Palin. Good riddance.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:34 pm

Isgrimnur wrote:Independent

Hundreds of advertisers are pulling away from ultra-conservative news website Breitbart, and campaigners are confident the backlash is snowballing.

According to a database from grassroots campaign group Sleeping Giants, a total of 818 companies have pledged to remove Breitbart from their media plan so far.

In the last few months, giant corporations such as Kelloggs, BMW, Visa, T-Mobile, Nordstrom and Lufthansa have all severed ties with the company.

Up to 1250 now

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:46 pm

Never fear, Bernie Bros, the Prez has your back.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 8686233601

Classic Trump!

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:06 am

"Rigged" in quotes? Does that mean he's being sarcastic and is saying it obviously wasn't rigged?

Wow, this guy is a moron on multiple levels. Well done, sir!

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:26 pm

I don't see why so many Republicans waste their time on useless town halls. Just join the Democrats who know that nothing good can come from them and opt for more controlled interactions.

Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.), for one, sent a staff member rather than attend a Kansas City town hall last weekend. She will chat with voters this week via Facebook Live — a much more controlled environment, where angry mass shouting isn’t an option.

Sens. Heidi Heitkamp (D-ND), Bob Casey (D-Pa.), Bill Nelson (D-Fla.), Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio) and Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) have also dodged town-hall gatherings, the AP reports — opting instead for teleconferences, e-mail surveys and speeches.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:45 pm

Rip wrote:I don't see why so many Republicans waste their time on useless town halls. Just join the Democrats who know that nothing good can come from them and opt for more controlled interactions.

Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.), for one, sent a staff member rather than attend a Kansas City town hall last weekend. She will chat with voters this week via Facebook Live — a much more controlled environment, where angry mass shouting isn’t an option.

Sens. Heidi Heitkamp (D-ND), Bob Casey (D-Pa.), Bill Nelson (D-Fla.), Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio) and Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) have also dodged town-hall gatherings, the AP reports — opting instead for teleconferences, e-mail surveys and speeches.

Not the same.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:34 pm

Is this s dumb question?

Why isn't this being called an act of terrorism? If we were that quick to label San Bernardo and Miami terrorism, what sets this apart?

http://octopusoverlords.com/forum/viewt ... =5&t=94051

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_terrorism

Title 18 of the United States Code (regarding criminal acts and criminal procedure) defines international terrorism as:

(1) [T]he term 'international terrorism' means activities that —

(A) involve violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State, or that would be a criminal violation if committed within the jurisdiction of the United States or of any State;
(B) appear to be intended —

(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and

(C) occur primarily outside the territorial jurisdiction of the United States, or transcend national boundaries in terms of the means by which they are accomplished, the persons they appear intended to intimidate or coerce, or the locale in which their perpetrators operate or seek asylum".[61]

USA PATRIOT Act of 2001
The USA PATRIOT Act of 2001 defines domestic terrorism as "activities that (A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the U.S. or of any state; (B) appear to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and (C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S."

http://www.salon.com/2017/02/27/white-h ... mmigrants/

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:34 pm

hepcat wrote:
Rip wrote:I don't see why so many Republicans waste their time on useless town halls. Just join the Democrats who know that nothing good can come from them and opt for more controlled interactions.

Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.), for one, sent a staff member rather than attend a Kansas City town hall last weekend. She will chat with voters this week via Facebook Live — a much more controlled environment, where angry mass shouting isn’t an option.

Sens. Heidi Heitkamp (D-ND), Bob Casey (D-Pa.), Bill Nelson (D-Fla.), Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio) and Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) have also dodged town-hall gatherings, the AP reports — opting instead for teleconferences, e-mail surveys and speeches.
Not the same.

Not seeing where that article establishes any such thing.

But ultimately both parties are holding fewer in-person events to avoid unwanted viral moments. Senior Democratic lawmakers this week asked progressive favorite Sen. Bernie Sanders to reach out to activists and urge them to not protest at Democratic town halls, according to the Washington Post.

There really isn't much of any upside to these things, there are other more structured ways to interface with constituents that actually want a dialog rather than just a sideshow of protesters versus plants. Nothing constructive has ever come about because of a town hall.

My opinions stands at they are a risky and usually ill-advised forum.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:37 pm

Not seeing because it's not there, and not seeing because you don't want to admit it's there are two very different things.

But Republicans appear to be embracing this strategy of avoidance with even more vigor than the Democrats ever did. Despite outnumbering Democrats in Congress 292 to 241, Republicans are holding 19 fewer in-person town hall events than their colleagues across the aisle in the first two months (54 fewer if you don’t count Sensenbrenner’s 35).

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:46 pm

hepcat wrote:Not seeing because it's not there, and not seeing because you don't want to admit it's there are two very different things.

But Republicans appear to be embracing this strategy of avoidance with even more vigor than the Democrats ever did. Despite outnumbering Democrats in Congress 292 to 241, Republicans are holding 19 fewer in-person town hall events than their colleagues across the aisle in the first two months (54 fewer if you don’t count Sensenbrenner’s 35).

Which is smart. I'm not making a they do it more than us argument.

Just a town halls are a bad idea for federal level politicians.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:48 pm

Rip wrote:
Which is smart. I'm not making a they do it more than us argument.

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:49 pm

LordMortis wrote:Is this s dumb question?

Why isn't this being called an act of terrorism? If we were that quick to label San Bernardo and Miami terrorism, what sets this apart?

http://octopusoverlords.com/forum/viewt ... =5&t=94051

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_terrorism

Title 18 of the United States Code (regarding criminal acts and criminal procedure) defines international terrorism as:

(1) [T]he term 'international terrorism' means activities that —

(A) involve violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State, or that would be a criminal violation if committed within the jurisdiction of the United States or of any State;
(B) appear to be intended —

(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and

(C) occur primarily outside the territorial jurisdiction of the United States, or transcend national boundaries in terms of the means by which they are accomplished, the persons they appear intended to intimidate or coerce, or the locale in which their perpetrators operate or seek asylum".[61]

USA PATRIOT Act of 2001
The USA PATRIOT Act of 2001 defines domestic terrorism as "activities that (A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the U.S. or of any state; (B) appear to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and (C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S."
http://www.salon.com/2017/02/27/white-h ... mmigrants/

That the primary motivation for the killing was an argument and being a racist piece of shit was just a mitigating factor and not the motivating one. But in the end far more details about the incident are needed than is available publicly.

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:51 pm

hepcat wrote:
Rip wrote:
Which is smart. I'm not making a they do it more than us argument.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:57 pm

(i've just always wanted to use that one)