Political Randomness

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Thu Aug 17, 2017 2:21 pm

ImLawBoy wrote:I think that's the beauty of it. No one has any clue what the juggalos will do, but it will likely be something insane.

On paper, Juggalos embrace their outsider/outcast status and welcome all as family. Both groups worship clowns, so it's anybody's guess!

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Thu Aug 17, 2017 2:22 pm

I suspect Faygo will be gulped. Meth smoked. Magnets cast down in fury. And a bunch of different assholes in polos and chinos will march too.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Aug 17, 2017 2:24 pm

Unagi wrote:Educate me a little here. What do we expect to go down?
What will the ICP do ?

The Jugaloos are an unpredictable bunch with a reputation for being honey badger don't care. I don't think anyone knows what to expect that's why they're

Edit:

Don't go disrespecting Faygo. Faygo remembers.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Aug 17, 2017 2:28 pm

I guess I harbor some concerns that the random (perhaps hard to defend) actions of the Jugaloos would be seen as something people that are against the Alt-right need to defend. If it becomes confrontational.

I also need to look up what 'honey badger don't care' means.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Aug 17, 2017 2:31 pm

Unagi wrote:I also need to look up what 'honey badger don't care' means.

The Honey Badger is a viral video featuring nature documentary footage with voiceover narration provided by Randall, a self-proclaimed animal lover who has since launched a successful YouTube series of similar videos. The Honey Badger video gained a great deal of popularity in early 2011 for its sassy commentary and irreverent personification of the mammals.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Aug 17, 2017 2:32 pm

So is that to say that the Jugaloos are known for their sassy commentary? Cause that would indeed be fun to throw at a bunch of white supremacists.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Aug 17, 2017 2:33 pm

Comes from this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r7wHMg5Yjg

It was the first thing that came to mind when I think of "they don't care what you think and are going to do what they are going to do with regard repercussions."

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Thu Aug 17, 2017 5:49 pm

This should get interesting.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/08 ... ounts.html

Imran Awan, a former IT aide for Democratic Florida Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, was indicted Thursday on four counts including bank fraud and making false statements.

The indictment also includes his wife Hina Alvi.

The grand jury decision in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia comes roughly a month after Awan was arrested at Dulles airport in Virginia trying to board a plane to Pakistan, where his family is from.

Awan and other IT aides for House Democrats have been on investigators’ radar for months over concerns of possible double-billing, alleged equipment theft, and access to sensitive computer systems. Most lawmakers fired Awan in February, but Schultz had kept him on until his arrest in July.

The indictment itself, which merely represents formal charges and is not a finding of guilt, addresses separate allegations that Awan and his wife engaged in a conspiracy to obtain home equity lines of credit from the Congressional Federal Credit Union by giving false information about two properties – and then sending the proceeds to individuals in Pakistan.

The case has put renewed scrutiny on Wasserman Schultz for keeping Awan on the payroll for months, even after a criminal investigation was revealed and he was barred from the House IT network.

A grand-jury can actually be pretty fast when they have actual evidence to look at.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:00 pm

and a bit slower when it has a shit-ton of evidence to look at.

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Thu Aug 17, 2017 8:18 pm

What is funny is that this story broke many hours ago and just a second ago not anything on CNN about it. They haven't had anything on Imran Awan since the end of July.

Meanwhile hundreds of news sites from all over the world have picked it up and reported on it already.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Aug 17, 2017 9:54 pm

Meanwhile, FOXNews is having trouble getting Repblicans to come on and talk about anything going down these days.
Unthinkable

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Aug 17, 2017 9:55 pm

Oh wait.
I get it.
This is supposed to Change that. Right?

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Fri Aug 18, 2017 2:13 pm

A record number of democrats have filed to run for the House (and raised at least $5,000 for their race). Like, 4-5 times the usual number.

Which as the article says, correlates well to a strong showing for the party, although I suspect the political environment causes the large number of candidates, rather than the reverse. Though it also does probably result in stronger candidates (since it means more vetting via primaries).

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Fri Aug 18, 2017 5:46 pm

OH, SNAP!

link

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Sun Aug 20, 2017 10:28 pm

10 Sailors Missing After USS John S. McCain Collides With Merchant Ship

Is the Navy playing bumper cars? WTF?

Freyland · Post by **Freyland** » Sun Aug 20, 2017 11:12 pm

Moliere wrote:10 Sailors Missing After USS John S. McCain Collides With Merchant Ship

Is the Navy playing bumper cars? WTF?

The Trump method of updating our military and creating jobs.

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 2:01 am

Holman wrote:OH, SNAP!

link

It wouldn't surprise me if the antagonists were all paid actors. Fuckface barely flinches when drenched with supposedly hot coffee? Seems fishy.

Captain Caveman · Post by **Captain Caveman** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:45 am

9% in new ABC poll call it acceptable to hold neo-Nazi or white supremacist views - about 22 million Americans

Jeebus.

I really wish there was a benchmark for gauging whether this number is rising or whether it's always been this way.

Captain Caveman · Post by **Captain Caveman** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:49 am

And now this:

3 in 10 strong Trump supporters accept or are indifferent to white supremacist views

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 12:06 pm

9% or 3 in 10 of 35% of the voting populace doesn't sound far fetched or growing to me. It's not something to be proud of but it doesn't unreasonable or insurmountable.

Captain Caveman · Post by **Captain Caveman** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 12:24 pm

LordMortis wrote:9% or 3 in 10 of 35% of the voting populace doesn't sound far fetched or growing to me. It's not something to be proud of but it doesn't unreasonable or insurmountable.

If the "9%" stat includes polling of minorities, who I presume are highly unlikely to say that white supremacist views are acceptable, that means that the rate is probably a lot higher among white Americans. Isn't the US population about 2/3rds white, maybe less?

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 12:36 pm

Captain Caveman wrote:
LordMortis wrote:9% or 3 in 10 of 35% of the voting populace doesn't sound far fetched or growing to me. It's not something to be proud of but it doesn't unreasonable or insurmountable.
If the "9%" stat includes polling of minorities, who I presume are highly unlikely to say that white supremacist views are acceptable, that means that the rate is probably a lot higher among white Americans. Isn't the US population about 2/3rds white, maybe less?

That's among "strong Trump supporters," or 35% of the electorate as LM noted. Unlikely to be a significant percentage of minorities in that group.

Captain Caveman · Post by **Captain Caveman** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 2:21 pm

Kraken wrote:
Captain Caveman wrote:
LordMortis wrote:9% or 3 in 10 of 35% of the voting populace doesn't sound far fetched or growing to me. It's not something to be proud of but it doesn't unreasonable or insurmountable.
If the "9%" stat includes polling of minorities, who I presume are highly unlikely to say that white supremacist views are acceptable, that means that the rate is probably a lot higher among white Americans. Isn't the US population about 2/3rds white, maybe less?
That's among "strong Trump supporters," or 35% of the electorate as LM noted. Unlikely to be a significant percentage of minorities in that group.

No, the 9% stat is based on a random national sample of 1,014 American adults, not just Trump supporters. You can see a pdf of the poll results here.

In the second link, there are poll results among just Trump supporters, with about a 1/3rd of those who say they strongly support Trump saying they accept or are indifferent to white supremacists views.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 2:33 pm

Captain Caveman wrote:
Kraken wrote:
Captain Caveman wrote:
LordMortis wrote:9% or 3 in 10 of 35% of the voting populace doesn't sound far fetched or growing to me. It's not something to be proud of but it doesn't unreasonable or insurmountable.
If the "9%" stat includes polling of minorities, who I presume are highly unlikely to say that white supremacist views are acceptable, that means that the rate is probably a lot higher among white Americans. Isn't the US population about 2/3rds white, maybe less?
That's among "strong Trump supporters," or 35% of the electorate as LM noted. Unlikely to be a significant percentage of minorities in that group.
No, the 9% stat is based on a random national sample of 1,014 American adults, not just Trump supporters. You can see a pdf of the poll results here.

In the second link, there are poll results among just Trump supporters, with about a 1/3rd of those who say they strongly support Trump saying they accept or are indifferent to white supremacists views.

I stand corrected. WaPo won't let me read stories.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 4:41 pm

Captain Caveman wrote:
Kraken wrote:
Captain Caveman wrote:
LordMortis wrote:9% or 3 in 10 of 35% of the voting populace doesn't sound far fetched or growing to me. It's not something to be proud of but it doesn't unreasonable or insurmountable.
If the "9%" stat includes polling of minorities, who I presume are highly unlikely to say that white supremacist views are acceptable, that means that the rate is probably a lot higher among white Americans. Isn't the US population about 2/3rds white, maybe less?
That's among "strong Trump supporters," or 35% of the electorate as LM noted. Unlikely to be a significant percentage of minorities in that group.
No, the 9% stat is based on a random national sample of 1,014 American adults, not just Trump supporters. You can see a pdf of the poll results here.

In the second link, there are poll results among just Trump supporters, with about a 1/3rd of those who say they strongly support Trump saying they accept or are indifferent to white supremacists views.

1/3 of 35% (that still support Trump) is around 9%. I am not surprised and I don't think it's a rise. I'm not saying "It's awesome that nearly 1 in 10 Americans might be Nazi apologists in 2017!" (and I suspect the number may be more) I'm saying I'm not surprised and I don't think the number has increased in the last 12 months, nor even 36 months, nor 9 years. I think they've been emboldened by Obama's election and further so by Trump's election but I don't think their numbers have grown.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 5:14 pm

Their numbers have grown and are growing to the extent that internet culture has given white supremacy a place to nurture and thrive.

That place isn't necessarily just Stormfront-level full-on Nazism. A lot of the younger dudes seem to have come to the alt-right through "Men's Rights" and Gamergate avenues.

The weepy dude who was profiled in the Vice video (and who was just arrested for assault) apparently got his start in MRA online culture.

noxiousdog · Post by **noxiousdog** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:56 pm

Captain Caveman wrote:
LordMortis wrote:9% or 3 in 10 of 35% of the voting populace doesn't sound far fetched or growing to me. It's not something to be proud of but it doesn't unreasonable or insurmountable.
If the "9%" stat includes polling of minorities, who I presume are highly unlikely to say that white supremacist views are acceptable, that means that the rate is probably a lot higher among white Americans. Isn't the US population about 2/3rds white, maybe less?

It depends on how you classify latinos and how many latinos are like Zimmerman.

I'm not sure I totally pull the same conclusion from the poll though. The phrasing of "9 percent overall call it acceptable to hold neo-Nazi or white supremacist views" is a little odd, as I there are very few views I would say are unacceptable to have. It's what you do about them. There may be a bit of libertarian influence in the answer. I, personally would say neo-Nazi is unacceptable, but if you want to be a white supremacist, you're entitled to be a dumbass if you don't infringe on other peoples rights. I understand the argument that those two things may be mutually exclusive.

edit: I find the views unacceptable, but one's right to have them is almost ok (not really)

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 3:28 pm

http://www.eoionline.org/blog/x-marks-t ... -dig-here/

I don't agree with the hypothesis and I don't think the author makes any causal connections but I think the article is interesting if nothing else because of phenomena that forces the author to write an opinion about it.

If I took a stab it, I'd bet 75 is when we began hardcore shifting to global goods consumption in the US, which sadly is mating call of MAGA, not accepting that that genie is forever out of the bottle.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:04 pm

Labor union membership goes flat in the 1960s and then begins its relentless decline after 1970?

Fitzy · Post by **Fitzy** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:33 pm

I think it's probably a combination of items.

However, if I were going to pick one, I'd say the increased participation in the workforce by women and minorities as equality grew.

I'm pro Civil Rights and equality, in case I needed to say it. I'm not trying to blame women or minorities.

An increased number of people wanting to work would lead to competition for the same jobs and a drop in or stagnation of compensation. Combine that with the previously mentioned drop in labor union participation and it makes sense that wages have not kept up with the times.

Also greedy people at the top using their control of capital to maintain the social and economic status previously given to white males solely by birth.

https://www.dol.gov/wb/stats/facts_over_time.htm

Pyperkub · Post by **Pyperkub** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:40 pm

LordMortis wrote:http://www.eoionline.org/blog/x-marks-t ... -dig-here/

I don't agree with the hypothesis and I don't think the author makes any causal connections but I think the article is interesting if nothing else because of phenomena that forces the author to write an opinion about it.

If I took a stab it, I'd bet 75 is when we began hardcore shifting to global goods consumption in the US, which sadly is mating call of MAGA, not accepting that that genie is forever out of the bottle.

It's maybe a dumb question, but I'm not seeing it listed anywhere:

Are we sure this is US data only, or is it worldwide (or even say the UK)?

Assuming it is (and it jibes with my understanding of the phenomena), it would be interesting to compare to other 1st world countries over that period.

That could also serve as a control for the author's untested hypothesis. Different culture, different moral changes, etc.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:50 pm

I assumed it is US only.

The source appears to be the BLS, which again suggests the US, but

I got nuthin'.

noxiousdog · Post by **noxiousdog** » Sat Aug 26, 2017 9:41 am

I'd bet computers and robotics.

Pyperkub · Post by **Pyperkub** » Sat Aug 26, 2017 10:54 am

noxiousdog wrote:I'd bet computers and robotics.

My hypothesis as well. NASA had the big push for miniaturization amd IBM started the transition from being a typewriter/adding machine company to providing big iron.

I also won't count out the longer term effects of OPEC/stagflation. Think the US auto industry which couldn't adjust and had their lunch eaten by the Japanese and the effects that had on a number of unionized industries (auto and steel really spring to mind) which trickled down to others.

I doubt that graph is the same in Japan, for example.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Sat Aug 26, 2017 11:22 am

Pyperkub wrote:
I also won't count out the longer term effects of OPEC/stagflation. Think the US auto industry which couldn't adjust and had their lunch eaten by the Japanese and the effects that had on a number of unionized industries (auto and steel really spring to mind) which trickled down to others.

I doubt that graph is the same in Japan, for example.

That's probably what got the ball rolling...or made it stop rolling...in the '70s. By 1980 the Reagan administration began implementing the policies that led to today's extreme income inequality. Even if they weren't the prime driver, Reagonomics and its ghosts certainly helped siphon wealth away from the lower and middle classes.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Sat Aug 26, 2017 11:41 am

I don't think the theory about values is too far off the mark but agree it lacks causality. I think the major driver that kicked it off was a surge of labor into the labor pool - namely the baby boomers (including the ladies for an extra boost to the labor supply). Inflation was high at the time as well. That depressed wages in favor of "owners of capital". I also agree with Kraken that Reaganomics was a heavy factor. Supply side and other crank theories arose which essentially were invented to give air cover to the shift in values the author claims.

Either way it has been 40 years now and we have a miserable, terrible human being leading us. Craven leaders of the majority party in Congress. A me-first Wall Street that tells bed time stories about how they are doing God's work. Automation is really starting to affect major industries. And the political system has been rearranged to deliver them the lion's share of power. Of course they are sucking up all the wealth. They've built the system to work that way. It wasn't natural and I think the author has a valid point even if he hasn't joined all the dots.

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Sat Aug 26, 2017 4:55 pm

Let's hope that legislators in other states have more sympathy than those in Texas. You know, all those that voted against emergency funding for Hurricane Sandy victims who are now getting clobbered by Harvey.

In the wake of Hurricane Sandy, a storm that hit New Jersey and New York in 2015, eight Texas Republicans voted against increasing flood insurance, and 23 voted against emergency funding for victims.

Both measures ultimately passed the House and Senate before being signed into law by President Obama. But the history of votes against flood insurance benefiting other needy states could come back to haunt Texas members of Congress should they have to apply for federal funding themselves after Hurricane Harvey. Projected damages from the storm could reach nearly $40 billion.

Weber, whose coastal district will be affected by Hurricane Harvey and has been racked by flooding in the past, called for President Obama to back a FEMA funding bill in October 2013. He defended his vote against the Sandy relief bill because it raised the deficit and was “full of pork.”

"We're continually bailing out this program and it's clear that it's no longer solvent," Heather Vaughan, a spokeswoman for Neugebauer, said after the votes. Neugebauer co-sponsored the program's expansion in 2005 after Hurricane Emily hit Texas, but not in 2013 for Sandy.

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:00 pm

New pilot program leaves bikes all over Seattle

Solution? Expand the program from 1000 bikes to 10,000 bikes. Brilliant!

Freyland · Post by **Freyland** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:19 pm

Looks like you just solved the "Seattle Hates Jobs" thread!

Pyperkub · Post by **Pyperkub** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:26 pm

Moliere wrote:

New pilot program leaves bikes all over Seattle

Solution? Expand the program from 1000 bikes to 10,000 bikes. Brilliant!

Looks like a post-Bully bike race!