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Skinypupy wrote:
Sat Jun 20, 2020 11:00 am
The story I read is that he was a child of a former girlfriend who (somehow) ended up living with Gaetz after the relationship ended.

Could explain the lack of official adoption documentation, but doesn’t lessen either the slimy or creepy factors any.
"Brother". Nestor is the younger brother of Gaetz' former girlfriend.

Not that it matters. Salacious innuendo aside, it doesn't fundamentally change (or meaningfully illuminate) the character of Matt Gaetz beyond what was already known about him. Let it go.
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Don't have a cow man, sayeth the courts!
Nunes’s funniest suit was filed last year against Twitter, demanding $250 million in damages over tweets by an account called “Devin Nunes’ Cow.” Nunes has very predictably lost his case against Twitter.

The suit cites a series of anti-Nunes tweets from the @devincow account. “Devin Nunes’ Cow has made, published and republished hundreds of false and defamatory statements of and concerning Nunes, including the following: Nunes is a ‘treasonous cowpoke’ and ‘Devin’s boots are full of manure’; He’s ‘udder-ly worthless and its pasture time to move him to prison’; ‘Devin is whey over his head in crime,’” among other messages.

Nunes’s suit advanced the idiosyncratic theory that the tweets were “part of [Twitter’s] agenda to squelch Nunes’ voice, cause him extreme pain and suffering, influence the 2018 Congressional election, and distract, intimidate and interfere with Nunes’ investigation into corruption and Russian involvement in the 2016 Presidential Election,” and somehow not protected by the First Amendment. Judge John Marshall did not agree.
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Tom Cotton is arguing against DC statehood. Coverage in this thread.



Cotton's arguments:

1) Representation for DC residents is bad because it's good for Democrats.
2) Representation for currently unrepresented citizens is mob rule.
3) Why should DC get to be a state when other large cities don't get to be states?
4) Of course states smaller than DC deserve statehood because they have loggers and shit.
5) DC would be a bad state because it doesn't add political power to a major industry.
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Unstated 6th point'

6) DC is majority black and would be the only black majority state but he sort of said it by dog whistling about Governor Marion Barry or Governor Bowser.

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Bottom line, they are afraid to give citizens representation.

With their only argument being, it doesn't serve them.

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malchior wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:49 pm
Unstated 6th point'

6) DC is majority black and would be the only black majority state but he sort of said it by dog whistling about Governor Marion Barry or Governor Bowser.
That's also what he's saying from his point about how Wyoming deserves more representation because it has more loggers and miners and whatnot.

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Unagi wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 6:34 pm
Bottom line, they are afraid to give citizens representation.

With their only argument being, it doesn't serve them.
There's also the pesky Constitution to think about. (This is an opinion piece by a conservative local columnist)
It’s not by accident or oversight that the nation’s capital isn’t a state: The Founding Fathers wrote it into the Constitution. Article I, Section 8 provides explicitly for a national capital that would not be part of a state nor treated as a state, but rather a unique enclave under the exclusive authority of Congress — a neutral “district” in which representatives of all the states could meet on an equal footing to conduct the nation’s business.

Not being citizens of a state, the district’s residents wouldn’t elect their own members of Congress. But that didn’t mean they were condemned to “taxation without representation.” Jonathan Turley, a George Washington University law professor, testified at a 2007 congressional hearing that the framers of the Constitution “repeatedly stated that the district would be represented by the entire Congress and that members . . . would bear a special interest in its operations.”

Reasonable people can disagree on the wisdom or fairness of the framers’ plan, but the only way to change it is to amend the Constitution. That’s exactly what happened in 1961, when the 23rd Amendment was ratified and D.C. residents were granted the right to vote in presidential elections and participate in the Electoral College. In 1978 Congress passed another amendment, giving the District of Columbia seats in the Senate and the House, but only 16 states ratified it. It may frustrate Washingtonians to be denied the perquisites of statehood on Capitol Hill, but Americans plainly have not wanted to change the Constitution to make that happen.

So House Democrats have come up with a creative constitutional workaround. H.R. 51, the bill to be voted on next Friday, purports to shrink the District of Columbia to just the few blocks along the National Mall containing the various federal government buildings, such as the White House, the Capitol, the Supreme Court, plus the “principal federal monuments.” The rest of the city would be rechristened “Washington, Douglass Commonwealth,” and admitted as the 51st state.

Give the drafters points for ingenuity, but their scheme is too clever by half. Congress cannot change the status of the capital district simply by redefining it. Washington, D.C.’s one-of-a-kind standing in the federal system is spelled out in the Constitution; the only way to modify that standing is to modify the Constitution. The plain meaning of Article I is that “the Seat of Government of the United States” comprises all the land supplied for that purpose. H.R. 51 would turn it instead into exactly what the Framers rejected — an island of government buildings, with perhaps a few hundred residents, enveloped within a state.

And what about those few hundred residents? As long as the 23rd Amendment is in force, the District of Columbia is guaranteed at least three votes in the Electoral College. Under the House bill, those votes would be controlled by the microscopic population of the drastically shrunken district, making them far and away the most influential voters in the nation. Such an outcome would obviously be absurd, yet it would be unavoidable unless the 23rd Amendment were repealed. And the only way to repeal a constitutional amendment is with another amendment.

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I don't believe they thought the population would grow to be larger than a number of states.

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Not to mention by that writers own logic, those northern rectangle states are absurd in their outsized representation and should be merged into one.

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malchior wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:49 pm
Unstated 6th point'

6) DC is majority black and would be the only black majority state but he sort of said it by dog whistling about Governor Marion Barry or Governor Bowser.
I get your point, but due to gentrification, DC hasn't been majority black for almost a decade. It's only a plurality black city at this point, and that may not last forever.

It's majority Democratic, though, that's for sure.
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pr0ner wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:37 am
malchior wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:49 pm
Unstated 6th point'

6) DC is majority black and would be the only black majority state but he sort of said it by dog whistling about Governor Marion Barry or Governor Bowser.
I get your point, but due to gentrification, DC hasn't been majority black for almost a decade. It's only a plurality black city at this point, and that may not last forever.

It's majority Democratic, though, that's for sure.
Fair enough on the plurality. It might be more about party but to the hard-core base the race is important and they are definitely playing to it.

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malchior wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:08 am
pr0ner wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:37 am
malchior wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:49 pm
Unstated 6th point'

6) DC is majority black and would be the only black majority state but he sort of said it by dog whistling about Governor Marion Barry or Governor Bowser.
I get your point, but due to gentrification, DC hasn't been majority black for almost a decade. It's only a plurality black city at this point, and that may not last forever.

It's majority Democratic, though, that's for sure.
Fair enough on the plurality. It might be more about party but to the hard-core base the race is important and they are definitely playing to it.
Yep, I won't deny that at all.

Unfortunately, black families getting priced out of DC has been a thing for a long time now. Close in Prince George's County, Maryland is sometimes referred to as Ward 9 because of it. And PG County is most definitely majority-black. But it's also home to several top-10 richest majority black areas in the US, so for all the stick PG County gets from people in the DC area as a whole, it is definitely affluent.
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Much prefer my Nazis Nuremberged.

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Kraken wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:37 pm
Unagi wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 6:34 pm
Bottom line, they are afraid to give citizens representation.

With their only argument being, it doesn't serve them.
There's also the pesky Constitution to think about. (This is an opinion piece by a conservative local columnist)
It’s not by accident or oversight that the nation’s capital isn’t a state: The Founding Fathers wrote it into the Constitution. Article I, Section 8 provides explicitly for a national capital that would not be part of a state nor treated as a state, but rather a unique enclave under the exclusive authority of Congress — a neutral “district” in which representatives of all the states could meet on an equal footing to conduct the nation’s business.

Not being citizens of a state, the district’s residents wouldn’t elect their own members of Congress. But that didn’t mean they were condemned to “taxation without representation.” Jonathan Turley, a George Washington University law professor, testified at a 2007 congressional hearing that the framers of the Constitution “repeatedly stated that the district would be represented by the entire Congress and that members . . . would bear a special interest in its operations.”

Reasonable people can disagree on the wisdom or fairness of the framers’ plan, but the only way to change it is to amend the Constitution. That’s exactly what happened in 1961, when the 23rd Amendment was ratified and D.C. residents were granted the right to vote in presidential elections and participate in the Electoral College. In 1978 Congress passed another amendment, giving the District of Columbia seats in the Senate and the House, but only 16 states ratified it. It may frustrate Washingtonians to be denied the perquisites of statehood on Capitol Hill, but Americans plainly have not wanted to change the Constitution to make that happen.

So House Democrats have come up with a creative constitutional workaround. H.R. 51, the bill to be voted on next Friday, purports to shrink the District of Columbia to just the few blocks along the National Mall containing the various federal government buildings, such as the White House, the Capitol, the Supreme Court, plus the “principal federal monuments.” The rest of the city would be rechristened “Washington, Douglass Commonwealth,” and admitted as the 51st state.

Give the drafters points for ingenuity, but their scheme is too clever by half. Congress cannot change the status of the capital district simply by redefining it. Washington, D.C.’s one-of-a-kind standing in the federal system is spelled out in the Constitution; the only way to modify that standing is to modify the Constitution. The plain meaning of Article I is that “the Seat of Government of the United States” comprises all the land supplied for that purpose. H.R. 51 would turn it instead into exactly what the Framers rejected — an island of government buildings, with perhaps a few hundred residents, enveloped within a state.

And what about those few hundred residents? As long as the 23rd Amendment is in force, the District of Columbia is guaranteed at least three votes in the Electoral College. Under the House bill, those votes would be controlled by the microscopic population of the drastically shrunken district, making them far and away the most influential voters in the nation. Such an outcome would obviously be absurd, yet it would be unavoidable unless the 23rd Amendment were repealed. And the only way to repeal a constitutional amendment is with another amendment.
There’s talk of making DC a state while preserving a very small zone (basically just the mall and core Federal buildings) for the capital mandated in the Constitution.

Edit: The bill in the House does just that:
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Is "Douglass" to reflect Frederick Douglass?

Why not just keep it called Washington, District of Columbia, and then call the new federal district the "Federal Government District" or something like that?

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El Guapo wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:18 pm
Is "Douglass" to reflect Frederick Douglass?

Why not just keep it called Washington, District of Columbia, and then call the new federal district the "Federal Government District" or something like that?
Two states called Washington would be confusing, and if it’s a state/commonwealth then it’s no longer a “district.”

Plus Douglass was awesome.
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Holman wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:26 pm
El Guapo wrote:
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Is "Douglass" to reflect Frederick Douglass?

Why not just keep it called Washington, District of Columbia, and then call the new federal district the "Federal Government District" or something like that?
Two states called Washington would be confusing, and if it’s a state/commonwealth then it’s no longer a “district.”

Plus Douglass was awesome.
Why call it "Washington?" There is already a state and tacking on something at the end doesn't make it that much less confusing. Just call it Douglass Commonwealth or something else and keep the Federal District named Washington.
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LawBeefaroni wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:31 pm
Holman wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:26 pm
El Guapo wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:18 pm
Is "Douglass" to reflect Frederick Douglass?

Why not just keep it called Washington, District of Columbia, and then call the new federal district the "Federal Government District" or something like that?
Two states called Washington would be confusing, and if it’s a state/commonwealth then it’s no longer a “district.”

Plus Douglass was awesome.
Why call it "Washington?" There is already a state and tacking on something at the end doesn't make it that much less confusing. Just call it Douglass Commonwealth or something else and keep the Federal District named Washington.
People are used to referring to it as Washington / DC. And the Washington is staying either way, as the proposed name is "Washington, Douglass Commonwealth".

I guess it's not important, as the proposed name is a way for people to keep calling it Washington DC without it being the federal district.

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Holman wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 1:54 pm
There’s talk of making DC a state while preserving a very small zone (basically just the mall and core Federal buildings) for the capital mandated in the Constitution.

Edit: The bill in the House does just that:
Jacoby addressed that in his column.

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Kraken wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:05 pm
Holman wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 1:54 pm
There’s talk of making DC a state while preserving a very small zone (basically just the mall and core Federal buildings) for the capital mandated in the Constitution.

Edit: The bill in the House does just that:
Jacoby addressed that in his column.
I don't think Jacoby's argument was convincing in terms of DC statehood being unconstitutional. Clearly Congress has the power to change / shrink the territory of the district, and/or to make new states / territories out of old ones with proper approvals (see, e.g., returning Arlington to Virginia, taking West Virginia out of Virginia, etc.). He is right that the amendments in the 60s and 70s clearly envisioned DC remaining in its current form, but that says nothing about why Congress couldn't change its mind on its approach.

The three electoral college delegates created by the 23rd amendment is a practical issue, but that really doesn't say anything about why you couldn't carve out part of the current DC and leave the rump district with its three delegates. The easiest approach is what's been discussed - as part of the statehood bill Congress can just provide that the three rump delegates go to whomever wins the electoral college majority elsewhere, which makes them effectively moot.

That said, do I think there's a reasonable possibility that the conservative SCOTUS majority uses these arguments to invalidate DC statehood later? Sure, they've endorsed dumber arguments in recent years. But I think the statehood bill stands on pretty firm constitutional ground.

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They should call it Hamsterdam.

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Or Warshington. That's different enough.

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Or Warshington. That's different enough.
That'll confuse Indianans.
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ProjectLincoln wrote:MIKE PENCE: All lives matter.

REPORTER: So, Americans should wear masks?

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LawBeefaroni wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:03 pm
Z-Corn wrote:
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Or Warshington. That's different enough.
That'll confuse Indianans.
And Bostonians

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Max Peck wrote:
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ProjectLincoln wrote:MIKE PENCE: All lives matter.

REPORTER: So, Americans should wear masks?

MIKE PENCE: Wait, no, I was being racist.
Wow.
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I found an amusing html game where you can alter points in history and see the consequences of the outcome. Want to give humanity technology early, or suppress the technology? Want to encourage the french revolution or suppress it? The choice is yours. And hopefully you don't end up destroying humanity (oops).

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Teenagers on TikTok Are Now Trolling the Trump Campaign by Pretending to Buy Millions of Dollars in Merchandise. Extremely petty, but kinda hilarious.


i only used tiktok for the audio but i might’ve added $10,000 worth of trump’s merchandise to my cart so that it says it’s out of stock and no one can buy it

FYI: all the Trump Baseballs are sold out because I have over $9000 worth of them in a shopping cart that I have no intention on buying

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I'm beginning to love TikTok users antics more than I thought possible.
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Looks like Colorado Republicans are on the QAnon train now. Oy.
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I'd imagine it should be bothering most sane Republicans that this nonsense makes their party too easy to dismiss and win against.

... at least I hope it does.
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Looks like Colorado Republicans are on the QAnon train now. Oy.
This nutcase may be the Democrats' best bet of retaking that seat in November.

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Paingod wrote:
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most sane Republicans
I hear they are both very upset.
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gilraen wrote:
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Looks like Colorado Republicans are on the QAnon train now. Oy.
This nutcase may be the Democrats' best bet of retaking that seat in November.
Or we'll see how much kool-aid the people of Colorado have chugged when they go to the polls.

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$iljanus wrote:
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gilraen wrote:
pr0ner wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:57 am
Looks like Colorado Republicans are on the QAnon train now. Oy.
This nutcase may be the Democrats' best bet of retaking that seat in November.
Or we'll see how much kool-aid the people of Colorado have chugged when they go to the polls.
The western slope of CO (west side of the continental divide) is pretty deep red in most parts, she's catnip to many in the district. Tipton who she is replacing may have been more vulnerable. I hope I'm wrong, but I have dim hopes on this one. This is the same special person who reopened Shooters in Rifle, CO against COVID orders. She's another head of the Trump-hydra.
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I didn't know that the DOD bill Trump threatened to not sign contained a line that eliminates the need for campaigns to report foreign assistance. This would clear the way for any other nation to send in the financial and cyber troops to help their favorite candidates without repercussion, right?

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Pandemic exposed America in decline. Excerpt below but he hits the nail on the head. He is saying we'll be like a developing nation in a couple decades. I'd argue that process is complete and started over 20 years ago. People are only starting to see it now.
The U.S.’s decline started with little things that people got used to. Americans drove past empty construction sites and didn’t even think about why the workers weren’t working, then wondered why roads and buildings took so long to finish. They got used to avoiding hospitals because of the unpredictable and enormous bills they’d receive. They paid 6% real-estate commissions, never realizing that Australians were paying 2%. They grumbled about high taxes and high health-insurance premiums and potholed roads, but rarely imagined what it would be like to live in a system that worked better.

When writers speak of American decline, they’re usually talking about international power -- the rise of China and the waning of U.S. hegemony and moral authority. To most Americans, those are distant and abstract things that have little or no impact on their daily lives. But the decline in the general effectiveness of U.S. institutions will impose increasing costs and burdens on Americans. And if it eventually leads to a general loss of investor confidence in the country, the damage could be much greater.

The most immediate cost of U.S. decline -- and the most vivid demonstration -- comes from the country’s disastrous response to the coronavirus pandemic. Leadership failures were pervasive and catastrophic at every level -- the president, agencies such as the Centers for Disease Control and the Food and Drug Administration, and state and local leaders all fumbled the response to the greatest health threat in a century. As a result, the U.S. is suffering a horrific surge of infections in states such as Arizona, Texas and Florida while states that were battered early on are still struggling. Countries such as Italy that are legendary for government dysfunction and were hit hard by the virus have crushed the curve of infection, while the U.S. just set a daily record for case growth and shows no sign of slowing down.

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