LGBT issues thread (was Supreme Court to hear same-sex marriage cases)

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 11:59 am

Isgrimnur wrote:
The couples do not request that Davis be sent to jail.

She'll find a way to go though, for the cause.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 12:09 pm

The judge has already set the precedent that he believes financial penalties to be patently worthless in this situation.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 1:00 pm

God is thicker than water.

Kentucky county clerk Kim Davis says she has refused to issue marriage licenses to her friends in same-sex relationships, explaining that even friendship couldn’t convince her to change her stance.

Part of her interview that will appear on The View.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 1:12 pm

Isgrimnur wrote:God is thicker than water.

Kentucky county clerk Kim Davis says she has refused to issue marriage licenses to her friends in same-sex relationships, explaining that even friendship couldn’t convince her to change her stance.
Part of her interview that will appear on The View.

"Some of my best friends..."

But the issue isn't whether she's cool with her gay friends getting married or not, it's whether she's fit to hold an office in which she refuses to do her job. Anyone she refused to give licenses to, friends or not, are just further examples that she can't/won't execute the duties of her office.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Thu Sep 24, 2015 11:29 am

I am speechless:

“If I resign, I lose my voice. Why should I have to quit a job that I love, that I’m good at?” Davis said. “I’ve been a county employee and served the public well for over 26 years before I got elected.”

She added, “It just comes back to, you know, they can accommodate for all sorts of other issues, and we ask for one simple accommodation and we cannot receive it. I mean, it just doesn’t seem right.”

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Thu Sep 24, 2015 2:49 pm

So much wrong there.

Chrisoc13 · Post by **Chrisoc13** » Thu Sep 24, 2015 3:00 pm

LawBeefaroni wrote:So much wrong there.

Indeed.

Xmann · Post by **Xmann** » Thu Sep 24, 2015 3:52 pm

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Thu Sep 24, 2015 4:34 pm

One simple accommodation.

“So you have millions of Christians who object to this whole same-sex marriage issue,” Davis said. “Are their rights invalid? Are their rights not worth anything?

Hold the phone. Are they forcing these poor Christians into same-sex marriages?

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Thu Sep 24, 2015 4:47 pm

Only the good looking ones.

...which means you and I are safe for now.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Thu Sep 24, 2015 4:55 pm

Rip wrote:One simple accommodation.

“So you have millions of Christians who object to this whole same-sex marriage issue,” Davis said. “Are their rights invalid? Are their rights not worth anything?
Hold the phone. Are they forcing these poor Christians into same-sex marriages?

Well, in Massachusetts they have already made same-sex marriage mandatory.

Zarathud · Post by **Zarathud** » Thu Sep 24, 2015 7:26 pm

Seems like she should be doing the accommodation, bot the other way around.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Thu Sep 24, 2015 8:40 pm

Zarathud wrote:Seems like she should be doing the accommodation, bot the other way around.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 4:52 pm

We should have had a pool. Or a poll.

Kim Davis, the Kentucky county clerk who was jailed after refusing to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples, has officially changed her party registration to the Republican Party.
...
But Davis added that, even if she is now registered as a Republican voter, the idea that she may campaign for GOP candidates remains "kind of far-fetched."

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 4:54 pm

Xmann · Post by **Xmann** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 4:56 pm

Isgrimnur wrote:

Thus far, these aren't getting old.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 5:10 pm

Xmann · Post by **Xmann** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 5:14 pm

LawBeefaroni wrote:

I'm going to have a few beers and then look these up. Some damn good stuff, lol

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 5:17 pm

I did that one but they practically write themselves.

Daveman · Post by **Daveman** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 5:24 pm

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 5:27 pm

Still my favorite:

Xmann · Post by **Xmann** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 5:33 pm

Ok, I'm not looking again until later this evening after I've had a few IPA's

Brady is damn good. But the Freddy Mercury is the best.

Biyobi · Post by **Biyobi** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 5:59 pm

Zarathud · Post by **Zarathud** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 6:45 pm

Waiting for this meme to catch up with John Boehner....

Didn't have the Tea Party votes
Did his job anyway (until October)

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 8:15 pm

Daveman · Post by **Daveman** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 9:41 pm

Zarathud · Post by **Zarathud** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 10:02 pm

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 10:08 pm

Biyobi wrote:

Winner!

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 10:34 pm

Daveman wrote:

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Sat Sep 26, 2015 6:32 pm

Davis wins the "Cost of Discipleship" award..

Kim Davis, the Kentucky county clerk who became a hero to conservatives after refusing to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples, was compared to Abraham Lincoln, Martin Luther King and Rosa Parks as she was awarded a prize by a prominent Christian organization Friday evening.

“Whether it was Abraham Lincoln asserting the Constitutionally unsettled nature of the Dred Scott decision; Rosa Parks refusing to sit at the back of a public bus or Martin Luther King risking the … call of police dogs to end legal segregation,” Perkins said, “our nation has been ennobled and enriched by historic citizens who declare their unwillingness to accept rulings and statutes that conflict with the laws of nature and with nature’s God.”

There isn't a

big enough for this bullshittery.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Sat Sep 26, 2015 6:39 pm

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Sep 30, 2015 8:24 am

So, Kim Davis' lawyer is saying that the Pope met with her in secret in Washington (inside the Vatican embassy) and urged her to "stay strong." The Vatican has said that it won't confirm or deny the meeting.

Xmann · Post by **Xmann** » Wed Sep 30, 2015 8:29 am

El Guapo wrote:So, Kim Davis' lawyer is saying that the Pope met with her in secret in Washington (inside the Vatican embassy) and urged her to "stay strong." The Vatican has said that it won't confirm or deny the meeting.

I was just reading about this myself.

This could be as true as the picture posted of a prayer vigil in Peru in support of Davis. Said picture was eventually proven false.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Wed Sep 30, 2015 8:56 am

The pope did publicly say that government officials have a right to not perform same sex marriage. I'm assuming his meaning is that that includes not getting sacked for it.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:03 am

And when a woman wants to be a priest within the Catholic church, she should just do it. If a Catholic priest wishes to perform a wedding ceremony for a gay couple, ditto. The Pope has already approved any attempt to adhere to one's religious convictions, even if it goes against the wishes of the employee. It's a new day, folks!

Personally, I think the Pope did meet with Davis...but not to praise her actions. He actually put in a bid for husband number 5 if this whole pope gig doesn't work out.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:27 am

hepcat wrote:And when a woman wants to be a priest within the Catholic church, she should just do it. If a Catholic priest wishes to perform a wedding ceremony for a gay couple, ditto. The Pope has already approved any attempt to adhere to one's religious convictions, even if it goes against the wishes of the employee. It's a new day, folks!

His argument, IIUC, is that of conscientious objection, that people shouldn't be compelled to do something against their beliefs. Not that you can are allowed to do what you want because of your convictions.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:37 am

And there are people who feel that the church denying the sanctity of marriage to gay couples is against their belief in what the church should stand for. They practice a form of conscientious objection by performing these ceremonies.

Fireball · Post by **Fireball** » Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:55 am

Defiant wrote:The pope did publicly say that government officials have a right to not perform same sex marriage. I'm assuming his meaning is that that includes not getting sacked for it.

Sadly, he did say that. As the leader of a theocratic state, he perhaps doesn't really understand how Constitutional rights work. Oh well, his batting average is still very high for a pontiff.

Fireball · Post by **Fireball** » Wed Sep 30, 2015 10:05 am

Defiant wrote:His argument, IIUC, is that of conscientious objection, that people shouldn't be compelled to do something against their beliefs.

Which is completely reasonable. However, if your job is to issue licenses to people, you can't object to issuing licenses to people you don't like. You don't get to conscientiously object to a core function of your job and keep it, particularly when that objection denies other people their Constitutional rights. Just like you can't be a soldier and conscientiously object to shooting at people.

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Wed Sep 30, 2015 10:23 am

Fireball wrote:
Defiant wrote:His argument, IIUC, is that of conscientious objection, that people shouldn't be compelled to do something against their beliefs.
... Just like you can't be a soldier and conscientiously object to shooting at people.

Actually, that can and has been done -- conscientious objectors have served as battlefield medics. That being said, Kim Davis is no Desmond Doss.