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Post by Blackhawk » Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:19 am

The more ways you can define a family, the more people can find a family that fits them.

The alternative, of course, would just be for governments to get out of the business of defining families. It would remove the issue entirely.
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Post by Rip » Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:51 am

You may be surprised but I am all for that. If I am stupid enough to want five wives no reason for the government to care....

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Post by GreenGoo » Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:36 am

Nothing you say is surprising.

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Post by Isgrimnur » Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:41 am

Hawaii
On Friday, Hawaii's Intermediate Court of Appeals upheld a previous ruling that found a Hawaii Kai bed and breakfast was discriminatory for refusing the lesbian couple a room because of their sexual orientation.
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Throughout the case, lawyers for the owner of Aloha Bed & Breakfast claimed Phyllis Young's religious views allowed her to refuse to rent a room to a same-sex couple.

Upon investigation, Young admitted to turning the women away because she felt that homosexual relationships were "detestable" and "defiled the land."

The court rejected that argument and found that the home business broke Hawaii's public accommodation law, which requires equal access to facilities and services regardless of race, gender, religion or sexual orientation.
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On it's website, the business appears to still be up and running and touts itself as a Hawaii Kai Christian B&B home on a ridge with breathtaking views of east Oahu.

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You may be surprised but I am all for that. If I am stupid enough to want five wives no reason for the government to care....
It seems more and more to me that you'd be a good fit for the FLDS.
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Post by Rip » Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:35 pm

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You may be surprised but I am all for that. If I am stupid enough to want five wives no reason for the government to care....
It seems more and more to me that you'd be a good fit for the FLDS.

Perhaps, except for the entire not believing in god thing.........

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Post by hepcat » Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:47 pm

Well, you are in a bigger cult now, I guess. :mrgreen:
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The House Appropriations Committee on Wednesday passed an amendment allowing taxpayer-funded adoption agencies to deny LGBTQ families the ability to adopt a child based on religious objection.

The amendment appears on a funding bill for the Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, and Education. If it remains in the final bill, the amendment would cut 15% of federal adoption funding to states and localities that penalize adoption agencies that refuse to place children in families that conflict with the agency’s “sincerely held religious beliefs or convictions.”

The amendment also bars the federal government from refusing to work with adoption agencies that discriminate.
In addition to LGBTQ people and same-sex couples, the amendment would also impact interfaith couples, single parents, married couples in which one prospective parent has previously been divorced, or other qualified parents to whom an agency could have an objection.
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Slate reports that budget documents show funding has been reallocated within the Department of Health and Human Services from the Ryan White HIV/AIDS Program to pay for the Trump administration’s aggressive stance on child migrants, which may require thousands of people to be detained.

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Post by GreenGoo » Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:13 pm

Phew, problem solved.

If Reagan can ignore the disease then that's good enough for today's GOP.

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JONAH loses "gay conversion" consumer fraud case.
Several states already prohibit licensed therapists from providing “conversion therapy” to minors and a bill pending in Congress would classify commercial conversion therapy and advertising that claims to change sexual orientation and gender identity as fraud.
Since Congress isn't doing anything...

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Licensed mental health professionals can no longer practice gay conversion therapy on minors in Delaware after its governor signed a new law Monday. With the signing, Delaware becomes the 15th state to restrict the practice, the Human Rights Campaign said in a statement.
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Delaware joins Washington, Maryland, New Hampshire and Hawaii in passing measures this year to restrict conversion therapy, according to the Human Rights Campaign. Almost 50 bills had been introduced targeting conversion therapy in 24 states as of April.
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When the bill was introduced last year, conservative groups such as the Delaware Family Policy Council said it defined conversion therapy in a way that censored the free speech of health professionals and limited families' care options.

Republican Rep. Richard Collins introduced an amendment to allow conversion therapy if the patient requests it, Delaware Public Media noted. That amendment failed.

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Post by Fitzy » Thu Jul 26, 2018 12:59 pm

Ugh. I normally fall on the side of free association, but I have seen the horrific results of these so called conversion therapies and they should be removed from any semblance of state accepted, removed from medically accepted (I'm not sure any reputable medical organization supports it), and outright banned on minors with heavy protections for adults under family/religious pressure. Maybe just outright banned is best.

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Post by hepcat » Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:53 pm

Conversion therapy is simply torture. Pure and simple. It should be abolished completely.
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Post by Isgrimnur » Thu Aug 02, 2018 12:00 pm

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ROOT, N.Y. (NEWS10) - Marriage equality was passed in 2011, but this might be the first time a gay couple has been denied a marriage certificate here in the Capital Region.

A sign reading “justice court” is posted outside the town of Root’s clerk’s office. It’s justice that one same-sex couple says was lacking when they were denied a marriage certificate.

Dylan Toften and Thomas Hurd posted this message on Facebook about their experience, calling the clerk a “bigot” and asking for the governor to step in.

Governor Andrew Cuomo is, in fact, doing so, launching an investigation into the matter.

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Post by Exodor » Thu Aug 02, 2018 1:39 pm

The last sentence of that article...
NEWS10 ABC spoke with someone who agrees with the woman’s beliefs but says she might be in the wrong business.

...OK? Why bother to include an anonymous source with nothing to add?

Maybe it's a required word-count thing - kinda like making the margins bigger to make your 1.5 page paper stretch onto a third page. :mrgreen:

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Post by Defiant » Sun Oct 21, 2018 2:18 pm

The Trump administration is considering narrowly defining gender as a biological, immutable condition determined by genitalia at birth, the most drastic move yet in a governmentwide effort to roll back recognition and protections of transgender people under federal civil rights law.
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Post by GreenGoo » Sun Oct 21, 2018 3:33 pm

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The Trump administration is considering narrowly defining gender as a biological, immutable condition determined by genitalia at birth, the most drastic move yet in a governmentwide effort to roll back recognition and protections of transgender people under federal civil rights law.
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Ask the Carolinas (probably only one of them, but I can't remember which one :oops:) how legislation to make scientific facts illegal are working out for them.

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Post by em2nought » Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:25 pm

Rip wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:51 am
You may be surprised but I am all for that. If I am stupid enough to want five wives no reason for the government to care....
Not the only thing the government should get out of.
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Post by Isgrimnur » Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:28 pm

GreenGoo wrote:
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The Trump administration is considering narrowly defining gender as a biological, immutable condition determined by genitalia at birth, the most drastic move yet in a governmentwide effort to roll back recognition and protections of transgender people under federal civil rights law.
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Ask the Carolinas (probably only one of them, but I can't remember which one :oops:) how legislation to make scientific facts illegal are working out for them.
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Post by Daehawk » Sun Oct 21, 2018 9:22 pm

Fuck Trump, the Republicans, and the Government in general. I could save time by simply stating fuck morons. That encompasses them all.

I hope the Republicans on this board are smarter than the average GOP and can think for themselves and know right from wrong. Smart from idiotic. You're a good group of folk so I suspect you can tell which GOP Im speaking of and not necessarily you.
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Post by Isgrimnur » Wed Oct 24, 2018 4:06 pm

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The director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Tuesday suggested a Trump administration proposal that would define someone’s sex at birth risked heightening stigma around transgender people.

The director, Robert Redfield, did not directly criticize the proposal. But when asked whether any such effort might hamper efforts to treat HIV, especially among transgender women, he replied: “We need to understand that stigmatizing illness, stigmatizing individuals is not in the interest of public health.”

He made the remarks in an interview with STAT Executive Editor Rick Berke at the opening session of the Milken Institute’s Future of Health Summit.

Redfield said he was not involved in developing the policy, which was first reported by the New York Times.
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The Department of Health and Human Services, which oversees the CDC, has declined to comment on the substance of the proposal directly. On Monday, the Washington Post reported that, while HHS is backing the proposal, the Department of Education is pushing back.

Redfield also argued that stigma is harmful more broadly, saying that it interferes with actually treating a disease, such as addiction to opioids.

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The Justice Department today told the U.S. Supreme Court that businesses can discriminate against workers based on their gender identity without violating federal law.

Solicitor General Noel Francisco told the high court that a civil rights law banning sex discrimination on the job doesn’t cover transgender bias. That approach already has created a rift within the Trump administration, contradicting the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission’s view of the law it’s tasked with enforcing.
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Your employer will be the final arbiter of what gender you are, thankyouverymuch.


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Post by GreenGoo » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:50 pm

What on earth would lead her to believe that Drumpf was *ever*, in any way, shape or form, a friend to the LGBTmorelettershere community?

Caitlyn, remember when thousands upon thousands of people,including but not limited to many specifically LGBT people, asked you wtf you were doing, and whether you had lost your mind, supporting drumpf? Remember that? That was a clue. There are mistakes, and then there is incomprehensible stupidity.

The world is a more frustrating place than ever, when reality tilts like this. I am completely willing and able to argue differences of policy based on reasoned arguments from both sides. I am almost completely unequipped to handle this nonsense.

It's unhinged. There is no hinge. Hinges, why have thou forsaken me?

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"But my tax situation is much better."
Which is really what the GOP has been boiled down to. Trading ethics for profit. That's the platform. They've gotten so close to scraping the bottom of the barrel that they're in danger of digging right through the wood and creating a hole six feet down.
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After the leaking of a Trump administration memo arguing that transgender people don’t exist as a distinct class of people because people can only be biologically male or female, calls to a transgender suicide hotline have multiplied by four.

Trans Lifeline, the only suicide hotline for trans people operated by trans people, received four times the average number of calls in the days following the memo's leak; the day the news broke, the hotline received two times the regular volume of first-time callers contemplating suicide.
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After the leaking of a Trump administration memo arguing that transgender people don’t exist as a distinct class of people because people can only be biologically male or female, calls to a transgender suicide hotline have multiplied by four.

Trans Lifeline, the only suicide hotline for trans people operated by trans people, received four times the average number of calls in the days following the memo's leak; the day the news broke, the hotline received two times the regular volume of first-time callers contemplating suicide.
Sadly, his supporters just see this as an added benefit. :(
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Enough wrote:
Tue Oct 30, 2018 2:51 pm
After the leaking of a Trump administration memo arguing that transgender people don’t exist as a distinct class of people because people can only be biologically male or female, calls to a transgender suicide hotline have multiplied by four.

Trans Lifeline, the only suicide hotline for trans people operated by trans people, received four times the average number of calls in the days following the memo's leak; the day the news broke, the hotline received two times the regular volume of first-time callers contemplating suicide.
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A school official tried to force a trans boy to use a urinal in front of him to ‘prove’ he’s a boy
While he was in a stall, Assistant Principal Lee Livengood entered the restroom and started berating Critchfield about using it, the teen said.

“I saw he was blocking the entrance to the bathroom. He kept raising his voice and saying, ‘Why are you in this bathroom? You shouldn’t be here.’”

Livengood allegedly told Critchfield to “come out here and use the urinal” to prove that he belongs in the boys room.
Well, he's putting the "ass" in Assistant Principal.

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Post by LawBeefaroni » Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:18 am

Why anyone would do that to a kid, it has to stem from some pretty deep seated feelings of one's own inadequacies or gender issues.




Also, Lee Livengood? Who's the Principal? Fred Feelenit? Gordon Goodlife?
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Post by Fitzy » Wed Dec 19, 2018 10:24 am

Well damn, the conservatives were right, there are adults trying to watch kids in the bathroom.

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Post by em2nought » Wed Dec 19, 2018 10:35 am

Tit for tot. :doh:
School Punishes Male Teacher For Refusing To Watch A Naked Girl In The Boys’ Locker Room
http://thefederalist.com/2018/11/14/flo ... aked-sons/

LGBT? Doesn't this thread title require at least an additional "Q" now too? How else am I supposed to keep up?
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Post by Skinypupy » Wed Dec 19, 2018 10:42 am

It's so strange how those Federalist stories only source either directly back to themselves or to other ultra-conservative groups (i.e. "Liberty Counsel"), and never to any actual reporting of any of the purported events.

Gee, I wonder why that is...
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Post by em2nought » Wed Dec 19, 2018 10:50 am

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Wed Dec 19, 2018 10:42 am
It's so strange how those Federalist stories only source either directly back to themselves or to other ultra-conservative groups (i.e. "Liberty Counsel"), and never to any actual reporting of any of the purported events.

Gee, I wonder why that is...
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We couldn't even have paid them to let a girl in our locker room as a teen and change with us.
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Post by Jaymann » Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:23 am

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Why anyone would do that to a kid, it has to stem from some pretty deep seated feelings of one's own inadequacies or gender issues.




Also, Lee Livengood? Who's the Principal? Fred Feelenit? Gordon Goodlife?
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Post by Skinypupy » Wed Dec 19, 2018 5:57 pm

Walking ass pustule Mike Lee is currently holding up the confirmation of the EEOC commissioner because she's gay and has "radical views on marriage".
Members of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, the federal agency that enforces civil rights laws in the workplace, are routinely reconfirmed in a bipartisan manner. Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah, however, is bucking the norm by putting a hold on the reappointment of Chai Feldblum, the first openly LGBTQ person to sit on the commission, because of her “radical views on marriage.”
And the best part:
“One nominee to the commission’s five-member board wants to use the federal agency’s power to undermine our nation’s founding principles,” Lee wrote on his website earlier this year in a post titled “A Threat to Marriage from the EEOC.”

“Don’t think for a second that you, your family, and your neighbors will be left alone if Feldblum gets her way," he wrote.
I'd love to hear him try and articulate:

a) What national "founding principle" is being undermined, and
b) The exact way in which me, my family, and my neighbors will "not be left alone" by the simple fact that gay couples can marry

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Post by Daehawk » Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:29 pm

The exact way in which me, my family, and my neighbors will "not be left alone" by the simple fact that gay couples can marry
This is what I've wondered for years and years. Just how does treating everyone fairly and allow them the right to marry affect my marriage or ability to marry. These folk that do everything they can to tell others how to live their life cant be human.
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