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Post by Isgrimnur » Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:35 pm

My mother is convinced that it somehow devalues her marriage to my father. Can't articulate how, but she's adamant.

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Trust me, there’s no doubt that I’m related to her. The familial resemblance to her and her siblings is obvious to anyone.

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Post by GreenGoo » Wed Dec 19, 2018 10:56 pm

Isgrimnur wrote:
Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:35 pm
My mother is convinced that it somehow devalues her marriage to my father. Can't articulate how, but she's adamant.
My mother had a similar opinion, I think. We have cousins who are gay and are married. During the ramp up to one of the weddings, she expressed the opinion that she accepted that gay people should be together like heteros and maybe civil unions, but for some reason she was opposed to them being married. I don't know why and I was too angry at the time to have a mature discussion about it. Harsh words were spoken and then the topic was never brought up again. My mom and I had a bit of a tumultuous relationship so being angry at each other was fairly normal.

She's gone now so I will never know what her exact reasoning was. She clearly wanted our cousins and gay people in general, it was the marriage that she was hung up on.

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Post by Holman » Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:05 pm

For a lot of people, the rules around marriage are the last place where God publicly exists. (Maybe funerals, too, but those are characterized by grief rather than celebration.)

The last bits of God are expensive. Giving up traditional restrictions on marriage costs more than giving up traditional restrictions on sex or work or private feelings.
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Post by LawBeefaroni » Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:10 pm

It's religious hogwash about how "Marriage" is a sacred rite reserved for procreative couples or somesuch. That may not be the exact reasoning of various mothers but it probably stems from that tradition.
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Post by GreenGoo » Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:10 pm

My mom had lost her faith (if she ever had any in the first place) long before this moment. I'm sure what you say applies to many though.

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Post by Skinypupy » Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:21 pm

For most Mormons (which Mike Lee is), it centers around the belief that the spiritual foundation of a home requires both a mother and father, and that children lacking one or the other are essentially destined to become heathens with no chance of spiritual enlightenment. Or some such nonsense.

Of course, there's all sort of misogynistic and homophobic undertones wrapped up in that sentiment, but that's generally what they'll publicly claim.
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Isgrimnur wrote:
Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:35 pm
My mother is convinced that it somehow devalues her marriage to my father. Can't articulate how, but she's adamant.
My father just thinks its "wrong," and can't explain why. And he never actually expressed this to me before last month, when my fiancée and I got engaged, and my dad declared that he (and by extension my mother) won't be coming to the wedding.

They have until next October to change their minds, or instead of gaining a son, they're going to lose one.
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Fireball wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:04 am
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Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:35 pm
My mother is convinced that it somehow devalues her marriage to my father. Can't articulate how, but she's adamant.
...when my fiancée and I got engaged...
Congrats!
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LawBeefaroni wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:21 am
Fireball wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:04 am
Isgrimnur wrote:
Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:35 pm
My mother is convinced that it somehow devalues her marriage to my father. Can't articulate how, but she's adamant.
...when my fiancée and I got engaged...
Congrats!
Absolutely! Many congratulations!

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Post by Daehawk » Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:36 am

Well I was raised by my grandmother and Im totally insane so I can see the point...wait no I cant.

On the flip side there are those that argue against gay couples adopting children and raising them. My question is the same as always...just where do these folk think gay people come from? Who raises gays?

Some people just dont have their heads screwed on right and refuse to admit it.
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Fireball wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:04 am
Isgrimnur wrote:
Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:35 pm
My mother is convinced that it somehow devalues her marriage to my father. Can't articulate how, but she's adamant.
...when my fiancée and I got engaged...
Congrats!

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Fireball wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:04 am
Isgrimnur wrote:
Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:35 pm
My mother is convinced that it somehow devalues her marriage to my father. Can't articulate how, but she's adamant.
My father just thinks its "wrong," and can't explain why. And he never actually expressed this to me before last month, when my fiancée and I got engaged, and my dad declared that he (and by extension my mother) won't be coming to the wedding.

They have until next October to change their minds, or instead of gaining a son, they're going to lose one.
Congratulations on the engagement and my condolences on the parent. Hopefully he'll come around.
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Post by Zaxxon » Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:11 am

Seconded.

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Post by Skinypupy » Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:29 am

noxiousdog wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:10 am
Fireball wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:04 am
Isgrimnur wrote:
Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:35 pm
My mother is convinced that it somehow devalues her marriage to my father. Can't articulate how, but she's adamant.
My father just thinks its "wrong," and can't explain why. And he never actually expressed this to me before last month, when my fiancée and I got engaged, and my dad declared that he (and by extension my mother) won't be coming to the wedding.

They have until next October to change their minds, or instead of gaining a son, they're going to lose one.
Congratulations on the engagement and my condolences on the parent. Hopefully he'll come around.
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Fireball wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:04 am
Isgrimnur wrote:
Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:35 pm
My mother is convinced that it somehow devalues her marriage to my father. Can't articulate how, but she's adamant.
My father just thinks its "wrong," and can't explain why. And he never actually expressed this to me before last month, when my fiancée and I got engaged, and my dad declared that he (and by extension my mother) won't be coming to the wedding.

They have until next October to change their minds, or instead of gaining a son, they're going to lose one.
Congratulations Fireball. I truly hope your parents ultimately use this as an inflection point to realize a bigoted ideology is a poor substitute for a loving son.

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Post by Paingod » Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:25 pm

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instead of gaining a son, they're going to lose one.
Congrats!

I hear there's a gay conversion therapy you may be able to use on him. I believe it involves packing tape, toothpicks, a dentist's chair, and looping Brokeback Mountain until he accepts that reality doesn't fit his narrow views.
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Post by Zarathud » Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:02 pm

Congrats, Fireball.

Don't give up hope if it's a tepid "wrong." Parents often have mixed feelings about their kids marrying. My ultra-catholic farm wife aunt changed her tune with my cousin".l after a few years. He and his husband are now very close to her. Familiarity can cure prejudice, if given a chance.
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Gratz Fireball. Maybe he is one of those parents that say that hoping it will somehow change your course and when it doesn't he will come around and enjoy the new son.
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Fireball wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:04 am
Isgrimnur wrote:
Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:35 pm
My mother is convinced that it somehow devalues her marriage to my father. Can't articulate how, but she's adamant.
My father just thinks its "wrong," and can't explain why. And he never actually expressed this to me before last month, when my fiancée and I got engaged, and my dad declared that he (and by extension my mother) won't be coming to the wedding.

They have until next October to change their minds, or instead of gaining a son, they're going to lose one.
My congratulations too!

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Congrats, Fireball! So sorry to hear your Dad is clinging to the wrong side of history, but either way, I hope your Wedding Day is amazing.
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LawBeefaroni wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:21 am
Fireball wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:04 am
Isgrimnur wrote:
Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:35 pm
My mother is convinced that it somehow devalues her marriage to my father. Can't articulate how, but she's adamant.
...when my fiancée and I got engaged...
Congrats!
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And here's the Kim Davis book
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Governor's lawyers can't make anyone do jack.

Let me know when a court decides to have a say.

Not to mention, Governor, your government decided to sit around while this played out. I'd like to see you cough up some dough as well.

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Governor's lawyers can't make anyone do jack.

Let me know when a court decides to have a say.

Not to mention, Governor, your government decided to sit around while this played out. I'd like to see you cough up some dough as well.
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Post by GreenGoo » Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:43 pm

An employer has almost always been held accountable for work related actions of its employees while they are executing their duties.

So...good luck with that, Governor's lawyers.

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On the other hand, she was an elected official rather than a state employee.
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On the other hand, she was an elected official rather than a state employee.
I had forgotten about that. The idea that a job with the title "clerk" is an elected position is completely foreign to me.

I have no idea how that plays out, although there has to be a mechanism in place for discipline and removal, and I vaguely recall that they toyed with the idea.

Didn't they change the rules so they no longer needed her signature? Trying to work around her and having her be obstructionist during that time probably does lend credence to the request that she pay for the damages she caused.

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Jaymann wrote:You know, I like how the British call everybody a cunt.
I believe that it’s more Australian.

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Jaymann wrote:You know, I like how the British call everybody a cunt.
I believe that it’s more Australian.
I have been called a cunt by both Brits and Ozzies, so I call it even.
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Jaymann wrote:You know, I like how the British call everybody a cunt.
I believe that it’s more Australian.
I have been called a cunt by both Brits and Ozzies, so I call it even.
Or you could just be a cunt.

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Jaymann wrote:You know, I like how the British call everybody a cunt.
I believe that it’s more Australian.
I have been called a cunt by both Brits and Ozzies, so I call it even.
Or you could just be a cunt.
Maybe, but the claim in question is linguistic, not essential.
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Post by Daehawk » Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:57 pm

My state of Tennessee is trying to roll back gay marriage here. Its the state government as usual being idiots. Its Republican led but I just think its because they are idiots not their voting side. I hope.
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