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Rip wrote:Mere facts? Oh, you mean the ones the government makes up until you can prove they aren't facts anymore. Of course by then you are in prison because the real facts are always classified or protected by executive priviledge.
I think he's talking about Zeke's inability to recognize that no one here thinks that the IRS is awesome and right to selectively target political opponents of the Administration.
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RunningMn9 wrote:
Rip wrote:Mere facts? Oh, you mean the ones the government makes up until you can prove they aren't facts anymore. Of course by then you are in prison because the real facts are always classified or protected by executive priviledge.
I think he's talking about Zeke's inability to recognize that no one here thinks that the IRS is awesome and right to selectively target political opponents of the Administration.
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Ya I just wasted my time in this thread on purpose because, clearly, everyone believes what the IRS did is wrong.

What a revelation!

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And so with that Zeke departed. Some say he was just too beautiful for this world. Others that his caregiver realized they'd forgot to password protect the wifi router. But I'd like to think that somewhere out there, zeke's still arguing his side of things. maybe with a tree...or perhaps a piece of drywall. But arguing all the same and still congratulating himself on winning.
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quit following me around.

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But I must chronicle your adventures for future generations! Someday people will forget all about your trials and tribulations with getting a garage to put old tires on you car, and the mighty roar you let out that day. If that happens, a little bit of magic will have left this world. :(
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Zekester wrote:Ya I just wasted my time in this thread on purpose because, clearly, everyone believes what the IRS did is wrong.

What a revelation!

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Zekester wrote:quit following me around.

freak.
Why? Simply because you completely believe everything the know-nothing Officer Bar Brady administration tells you?

Nothing to see here. Move along. Move along.
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RunningMn9 wrote:
Zekester wrote:Ya I just wasted my time in this thread on purpose because, clearly, everyone believes what the IRS did is wrong.

What a revelation!

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You wasted your time in this thread because you're a toolbag.
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theohall wrote:
Zekester wrote:quit following me around.

freak.
Why? Simply because you completely believe everything the know-nothing Officer Bar Brady administration tells you?

Nothing to see here. Move along. Move along.
You DO realize Zekester is on your side, right?
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fuck you too, hepcat
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Now you're just lashing out blindly, aren't you? You've made it clear you hate the current administration and I was pointing that out to hall.

Although watching you guy's turn on each other would be funny.
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Just picture Zek as my favorite comedian and enjoy.

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Okay here are my thoughts on the current direction of the thread:

1. Zeke, you're certainly entitled to your opinion but if there are folks who think it's silly they're going to point it out in a variety of ways.

2. Zeke you are entitled to defend your opinion and I like to allow a bit of back and forth keeping in mind that things could get a little testy in the exchange. That sort of thing happens with discussions whether it be political, sports, Xbone vs PS4, etc.

3. We've reached the point where we are just pushing buttons and that's where I feel that I have to intervene. So no more telling folks to fuck off, Zeke (there's a lot of fuckery going around this week) and I think we all know where many folks stand on Zeke's opinion on this topic so I think it's best that we all just back away from the keyboard right now unless we have something else to post about the topic that doesn't concern Zekester.

Have a good night all.

Edit: Son of a bitch! Beat out again! Yeah, what Arcanis said!
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$iljanus wrote:Okay here are my thoughts on the current direction of the thread:

1. Zeke, you're certainly entitled to your opinion but if there are folks who think it's silly they're going to point it out in a variety of ways.

2. Zeke you are entitled to defend your opinion and I like to allow a bit of back and forth keeping in mind that things could get a little testy in the exchange. That sort of thing happens with discussions whether it be political, sports, Xbone vs PS4, etc.

3. But we've reached the point where we are just pushing buttons and that's where I feel that I have to intervene. So no more telling folks to fuck off, Zeke (there's a lot of fuckery going around this week) and I think we all know where many folks stand on Zeke's opinion on this topic so I think it's best that we all just back away from the keyboard right now unless we have something else to post about the topic that doesn't concern Zekester.

Have a good night all.

Edit: Son of a bitch! Beat out again! Yeah, what Arcanis said!
Nice.

So once again no mention of what prompted my lashings?
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Smoove_B wrote:It never ceases to amaze me the hills that people choose to die on.
You misunderstand.

I wish to leave this hill, not die on it.
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Then I will leave you with one of my favorite zen stories:
A senior monk and a junior monk were traveling together. At one point, they came to a river with a strong current. As the monks were preparing to cross the river, they saw a very young and beautiful woman also attempting to cross. The young woman asked if they could help her.

The senior monk carried this woman on his shoulder, forded the river and let her down on the other bank. The junior monk was very upset, but said nothing.

They both were walking and senior monk noticed that his junior was suddenly silent and inquired “Is something the matter, you seem very upset?”

The junior monk replied, “As monks, we are not permitted a woman, how could you then carry that woman on your shoulders?”

The senior monk replied, “I left the woman a long time ago at the bank, however, you seem to be carrying her still.”
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what is taking the ban so long this time?

fuck it, i'll just have to do it myself.
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Come on you know how we operate. Executions have a protocol that must be followed.

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Smoove_B wrote:Then I will leave you with one of my favorite zen stories:
You sure know how to koan a phrase.
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Rip wrote:Mere facts? Oh, you mean the ones the government makes up until you can prove they aren't facts anymore. Of course by then you are in prison because the real facts are always classified or protected by executive priviledge.
Zarathud is the government? Well, bust my buttons.

When I started this thread I thought the IRS story was the most damning of the several scandals that were gaining traction at the time. The evidence that's come out in the weeks since then has proven otherwise. So I've changed my mind.

You ought to try that sometime.

If new evidence comes out that bolsters the original accusations I'll change it back. Paranoia and name-calling aren't evidence, but that appears to be what the "anti" side is down to.
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Kraken wrote:
Rip wrote:Mere facts? Oh, you mean the ones the government makes up until you can prove they aren't facts anymore. Of course by then you are in prison because the real facts are always classified or protected by executive priviledge.
Zarathud is the government? Well, bust my buttons.

When I started this thread I thought the IRS story was the most damning of the several scandals that were gaining traction at the time. The evidence that's come out in the weeks since then has proven otherwise. So I've changed my mind.

You ought to try that sometime.

If new evidence comes out that bolsters the original accusations I'll change it back. Paranoia and name-calling aren't evidence, but that appears to be what the "anti" side is down to.
I'm not on any side except the one that thinks the government will lie when it thinks it can get by with it and will result to just about anything to keep those lies secret.

Paranoia sure, name calling not my cup of tea.
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Zekester wrote:
$iljanus wrote:Okay here are my thoughts on the current direction of the thread:

1. Zeke, you're certainly entitled to your opinion but if there are folks who think it's silly they're going to point it out in a variety of ways.

2. Zeke you are entitled to defend your opinion and I like to allow a bit of back and forth keeping in mind that things could get a little testy in the exchange. That sort of thing happens with discussions whether it be political, sports, Xbone vs PS4, etc.

3. But we've reached the point where we are just pushing buttons and that's where I feel that I have to intervene. So no more telling folks to fuck off, Zeke (there's a lot of fuckery going around this week) and I think we all know where many folks stand on Zeke's opinion on this topic so I think it's best that we all just back away from the keyboard right now unless we have something else to post about the topic that doesn't concern Zekester.

Have a good night all.

Edit: Son of a bitch! Beat out again! Yeah, what Arcanis said!
Nice.

So once again no mention of what prompted my lashings?
You wasted your time in this thread because you're a toolbag.
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Well now, I thought I was rather clear about folks not piling on you in personal thought #3 but I guess nuance is a tricky thing. Probably should have said "pushing Zeke's buttons" but oh well. And as for you asking to be banned, being that it's a Friday night and all the wheels of moderation bureaucracy may tend to move a little slow but I suspect we can oblige you. You can certainly help out and leave the thread.
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Not sure what a ban would accomplish, really*. Anyone's free to leave any time they want.

*Other than feeding somebody's persecution complex
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silverjon wrote:Not sure what a ban would accomplish, really*. Anyone's free to leave any time they want.

*Other than feeding somebody's persecution complex
Yeah like the good witch said in that movie, you can go home at any time.
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it's akin to suicide by cop, I think.
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Rip wrote:
Kraken wrote:
Rip wrote:Mere facts? Oh, you mean the ones the government makes up until you can prove they aren't facts anymore. Of course by then you are in prison because the real facts are always classified or protected by executive priviledge.
Zarathud is the government? Well, bust my buttons.

When I started this thread I thought the IRS story was the most damning of the several scandals that were gaining traction at the time. The evidence that's come out in the weeks since then has proven otherwise. So I've changed my mind.

You ought to try that sometime.

If new evidence comes out that bolsters the original accusations I'll change it back. Paranoia and name-calling aren't evidence, but that appears to be what the "anti" side is down to.
I'm not on any side except the one that thinks the government will lie when it thinks it can get by with it and will result to just about anything to keep those lies secret.

Paranoia sure, name calling not my cup of tea.
You're not paranoid if they really are out to get you. And I don't shrug off that generalization, either. In this specific case, though, the IRS was more ham-handed than malevolent.

It's plain to everyone who was doing the name-calling.
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silverjon wrote:Not sure what a ban would accomplish, really*. Anyone's free to leave any time they want.
I would refuse his demands. You can't give the terrorists what they want.

This may be the first time I've seen someone request a ban because they want to leave the forums. Just leave the forums. Why does that require moderator intervention?
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RunningMn9 wrote:
silverjon wrote:Not sure what a ban would accomplish, really*. Anyone's free to leave any time they want.
I would refuse his demands. You can't give the terrorists what they want.

This may be the first time I've seen someone request a ban because they want to leave the forums. Just leave the forums. Why does that require moderator intervention?
Because Zeke can't just leave. He always comes back and stirs up more trouble.
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I'm not sure. I think it's really about the theme of this entire thread:
msduncan wrote:No. What's bullshit is the length at which liberals, this forum in particular, and democrats will go to rationalize, diminish, or distract from an offense of the worst kind in government discussion: using powerful government forum agencies moderators to target political opponents Zekester.

The sheer amount of bullshit rationalizing and dismissing going on here is mind blowing.
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RunningMn9 wrote:
silverjon wrote:Not sure what a ban would accomplish, really*. Anyone's free to leave any time they want.
I would refuse his demands. You can't give the terrorists what they want.

This may be the first time I've seen someone request a ban because they want to leave the forums. Just leave the forums. Why does that require moderator intervention?
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Smoove_B wrote:I'm not sure. I think it's really about the theme of this entire thread:
msduncan wrote:No. What's bullshit is the length at which liberals, this forum in particular, and democrats will go to rationalize, diminish, or distract from an offense of the worst kind in government discussion: using powerful government forum agencies moderators to target political opponents Zekester.

The sheer amount of bullshit rationalizing and dismissing going on here is mind blowing.
When you put it that way I feel like Lee Harvey Oswald acting at the behest of shadowy interests. So used...so carelessly used by the Quinoa conglomerates and the hemp lobby.

And on that note we should try and turn the discussion back toward the IRS and away from Zekester. Thanks and have a great weekend!
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pr0ner wrote:
Because Zeke can't just leave. He always comes back and stirs up more trouble. adds more drama and color.
I enjoy reading vehement dissent if it's civil. I don't appreciate personal attacks and obscenities, but I see those from both sides. And no, I don't care who started it.

If this were a democracy I'd vote against banning Zeke, but at the same time I'd urge him to back up his strong opinions with evidence and reasoning. Otherwise they contribute nothing but hard feelings.
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I was talking with one of my IRS clients yesterday about how this whole thing has affected them. She's in SBSE (Small Business Self Emplyed) Compliance, which is a completely different division that has nothing to do with processing 501(c)(4) applications. She said this issue has forced them to completely revamp how they process any data through their systems. Any data (applications, returns, tax forms, etc.) that was previously lumped together for ease of processing is now being reexamined for fear that it might be seen as somehow political. They were extremely backlogged before (mainly due to being staffed at around 80% capacity), and she said that now it's going to going to take twice as long to get anything done because they have to be so cautious about if/how they batch process data.

You thought people were pissed about how slow and ponderous the IRS was before...you ain't seen nothin' yet.
RunningMn9 wrote:This may be the first time I've seen someone request a ban because they want to leave the forums. Just leave the forums. Why does that require moderator intervention?
If he leaves on his own, he can't play the "evil liberals kicked me out for my political beliefs" martyr card.
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So you're saying the inside scoop to the overreaction on the political cases is to overreact even more. And the GOP is going to use the slowness from this and the sequester as proof government doesn't work.
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