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Post by Moliere » Wed Nov 21, 2018 12:57 am

Gorsuch and Sotomayor Fault SCOTUS for Declining to Hear Important Criminal Justice Case
As Gorsuch noted, the Sixth Amendment right to cross-examine one's accusers is supposed to serve as a safeguard in cases like this against the introduction of erroneous evidence. Yet here "the engine of cross-examination was left unengaged, and the Sixth Amendment was violated." For that reason, and others, Gorsuch and Sotomayor faulted their colleagues for failing to take the case.

This is not the first time that Gorsuch and Sotomayor have joined forces on the criminal justice front. Just last month, for example, during oral arguments in Gundy v. U.S., the two justices seemed to agree that Congress violated the Constitution by, in Gorsuch's words, giving "a blank check to the attorney general." They've also been operating on similar wavelengths in Fourth Amendment cases.

While it's common nowadays to think of the Supreme Court exclusively in terms of its conservative and liberal blocs, Gorsuch and Sotomayor have shown that the story is more complicated when it comes to questions of criminal justice.
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Post by gilraen » Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:35 pm

Supreme Court refuses to hear case on whether states can block Medicaid payments to Planned Parenthood
The U.S. Supreme Court has declined to hear a case brought by Republican-led states that were seeking to defund Medicaid funding for Planned Parenthood and other organizations that provide women's reproductive health services.

The case does not involve federal money for abortion-related services. That is barred by federal law. Rather, it involves an effort by two states to block Medicaid funding for some abortion providers that, like Planned Parenthood, get Medicaid funding for providing other services to low-income women, services like cancer screenings, prenatal services, birth control and ultrasounds.

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Post by GreenGoo » Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:13 pm

Yay.

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Post by Carpet_pissr » Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:25 pm

Holman wrote:
I’m sorry, I know it’s shallow, but he just LOOKS like a spoiled, entitled prick.

So does Kavanaugh, for that matter.

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Post by GreenGoo » Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:32 pm

The biggest crime of the drumpf administration is that drumpf will be embedded in American history for the rest of time. He deserves to be forgotten by future generations. Now that can't happen.

That makes me sadgry.

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Post by Carpet_pissr » Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:47 pm

Sangry?

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Post by GreenGoo » Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:32 am

Whatever floats your boat. Sounds too much like sangria to me.

I prefer mine.

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Post by Blackhawk » Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:59 am

GreenGoo wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:32 pm
He deserves to be forgotten by future generations.
God, no. Never forgotten. Ever.

He needs to be remembered. He needs to be remembered as a cautionary tale, both to the voting public, and to other politicians that consider following his example. Kid politicians need to sit around during sleepovers with flashlights, telling each other the Tale of Trump, shivering with fear and feeling ill.

If we forget him, we repeat him.
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Post by GreenGoo » Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:14 am

Blackhawk wrote:
Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:59 am
If we forget him, we repeat him.
Right, but that's just a saying. We repeat history because we are victims of human nature, not because we don't know what we do is wrong.

It may take a few generations to repeat the mistakes that resulted in him being in the WH, but I don't think the current generation is learning anything, and it's happening right now.

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Post by Remus West » Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:55 am

GreenGoo wrote:
Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:14 am
Blackhawk wrote:
Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:59 am
If we forget him, we repeat him.
Right, but that's just a saying. We repeat history because we are victims of human nature, not because we don't know what we do is wrong.

It may take a few generations to repeat the mistakes that resulted in him being in the WH, but I don't think the current generation is learning anything, and it's happening right now.
To piggy back on this point, I don't think anyone has forgotten Hitler but there are so many striking parallels between Hitler's rise to power and Trump getting elected that it is hard to say we are not repeating history already. We may (and as much as I hate tRump I don't think we do) not go down the same road the whole way to attempting genocide but the lessons regarding demagogs were certainly not learned from history even if the demagog himself and his actions are deeply remembered.
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Post by Blackhawk » Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:39 am

Remus West wrote:
Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:55 am
To piggy back on this point, I don't think anyone has forgotten Hitler but there are so many striking parallels between Hitler's rise to power
We absolutely have forgotten Hitler. We remember Hitler's actions - his genocide, his war, but I don't think I was ever taught, nor have my kids ever been taught, the details of how he rose to power. That's something I had to learn on my own.
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Post by LawBeefaroni » Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:27 pm

Blackhawk wrote:
Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:39 am
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Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:55 am
To piggy back on this point, I don't think anyone has forgotten Hitler but there are so many striking parallels between Hitler's rise to power
We absolutely have forgotten Hitler. We remember Hitler's actions - his genocide, his war, but I don't think I was ever taught, nor have my kids ever been taught, the details of how he rose to power. That's something I had to learn on my own.
Hitler was the book. Trump is the movie.




And I wouldn't ever say history is forgotten. It's just inconvenient. No one wants to wage war against a tyrant until they are forced to. I'm not going to go to jail or lose my job or all my property to halt the rise of what could a an evil regime. But once living under one, I'd probably be willing to die fighting it. Human nature.

Or maybe it's the boiling frog thing.
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Post by malchior » Fri Dec 21, 2018 1:39 pm

So sounds like Ginsburg has lung cancer. FFS. This is going to get ugly.

Edit: By the by, she is expected to make a recovery. However this is the darkest timeline so I just assume the worst and hope to be pleasantly surprised.

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Post by El Guapo » Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:27 pm

malchior wrote:
Fri Dec 21, 2018 1:39 pm
So sounds like Ginsburg has lung cancer. FFS. This is going to get ugly.

Edit: By the by, she is expected to make a recovery. However this is the darkest timeline so I just assume the worst and hope to be pleasantly surprised.
Yeah, apparently she had surgery and it looks like they got everything (at least from what they can tell at this point). Still pretty scary, though.

And I know it's not super fair to be mad at her for not retiring in 2013...but I still kind of am.

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Post by Unagi » Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:03 pm

the darkest timeline is no time for 'super fair'.

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Post by malchior » Mon Jan 21, 2019 2:01 pm

El Guapo wrote:
Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:27 pm
And I know it's not super fair to be mad at her for not retiring in 2013...but I still kind of am.
Same here but I did come across an interesting story in my random wanders that humanizes the decision to stay a bit even if I think it was wrong.

My reaction upon reading the story:
Spoiler:
I get that she saw first hand what happened to O'Connor which I never heard about before. However, IMO this had nothing to do with her or a substitute 'liberal' colleague being male or female. It was mostly based on age as a risk factor. In 5 years I expect to here something similar about Breyer, if he is still around and we have a D President.

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Post by Isgrimnur » Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:00 pm


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Fox News just slipped in Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s obituary segment opener
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“We need to apologize. … A technical error in the control room triggered a graphic of RBG with a date on it,” co-host Steve Doocy said later in the program. “We don’t want to make it seem anything other than that was a mistake. That was an accident.”
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Post by GreenGoo » Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:32 pm

Obituaries are often created ahead of time, and especially for high visibility people and especially for media that thrive on timely and first to the gate reporting, so I totally understand having the graphic on hand. And mistakes happen, so that's life as well.

That said, you need to be extra careful about making mistakes about someone dying. That's a big deal for people in general.

Shrug, not good optics but it's hardly outrageous. The fact that these guys are dicks and vultures just waiting for her to die so they can cackle about another nomination for the worst administration in history doesn't enter into it. :wink:

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Post by Isgrimnur » Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:52 pm

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The Supreme Court on Tuesday said it will examine New York City’s ban on carrying a licensed and unloaded handgun outside the city limits, the first Second Amendment challenge it has accepted in nearly a decade.

The decision to hear the case in the term that begins in October may signal that the reinforced conservative majority on the court is ready to consider more laws that restrict gun rights.

New York’s law is not replicated elsewhere: It permits transporting handguns only to firing ranges within the city. Those who challenged the law have a licenses to keep a handgun at their homes. Petitioners included those who want to take their guns to firing ranges or competitions outside the city, and one who wanted to take the gun to his second home upstate.

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit ruled for the city. It said petitioners had not shown there was inadequate access to one of the seven firing ranges in the city, that petitioners could not rent a firearm if they wanted to go to a range elsewhere, or that the upstate homeowner could not get a permit to keep a second handgun there.
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The case is New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. City of New York.
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