Re: Pope Francis, changing Christianity?
Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2015 12:38 pm
Employers.stessier wrote:I'm curious who he is arguing against. Is there a group out there supporting unequal pay?
That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons bring us some web forums whereupon we can gather
http://www.octopusoverlords.com/forum/
Employers.stessier wrote:I'm curious who he is arguing against. Is there a group out there supporting unequal pay?
None of the ones I've heard of.Alefroth wrote:Employers.stessier wrote:I'm curious who he is arguing against. Is there a group out there supporting unequal pay?
Partly. The studies are pretty clear that all but 7% can be accounted for when experience and education are accounted for. However, there is still a 7% "gap."GreenGoo wrote:Cue Nox to explain to us it's not gender that is causing the gap, but the behaviour that genders typically engage in that is the problem. I.e. less seniority/experience due to maternity leave and such.
It's a compelling argument, but I'm not sold on it, yet.
My wife's uncle wrote a whole book on Faithful Dissent in the Catholic Church and helped start a group advocating for women priests. He died a member of the church with 10 different priests vying to conduct his funeral rites.ImLawBoy wrote:I like hearing that from the Pope. Maybe he should expand that whole women's rights thing into the priesthood, though . . . .
(Am I going to get excommunicated for that?)
Do you like cream cheese on your bagel?Moliere wrote:Gay sex is compared to sticking a bagel in your ear at Catholic conference.
Rather, Catholics are bringing the “good news” of the gospel and Jesus Christ, he said. He compared leading gays out of same-sex relations to Moses leading people out of slavery in Egypt.
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“This is the question which is asked by junior-high kids: Why does God hate gays?” Riccardo said. Riccardo said he responds in terms that can relate to younger folks without being too explicit.
“Here’s the image that I use,” Riccardo said. He said he tells the students, what if ‘I just rip open a bagel, I take it, and I cram it in my ear. What would you say?’
He said, the kids respond: “That doesn’t go there.”
“I say, ‘Exactly.’ ”
“That will ruin your ear canal,” Riccardo said.
I hope he's telling them to seek advice from someone that actually cares. I cannot ever imagine uttering the phrase, "Help me deal with my gay child."At the conference, a popular Catholic priest in metro Detroit, the Rev. John Riccardo of Our Lady of Good Counsel Parish in Plymouth, told about how a family member of his wrestles with how to deal with a gay child.
Nah. Of course not.Smoove_B wrote:Ugh.
I hope he's telling them to seek advice from someone that actually cares. I cannot ever imagine uttering the phrase, "Help me deal with my gay child."At the conference, a popular Catholic priest in metro Detroit, the Rev. John Riccardo of Our Lady of Good Counsel Parish in Plymouth, told about how a family member of his wrestles with how to deal with a gay child.
Come listen to me proselytize but no sex. Love the sinner, hate the horrific abomination of nature that makes up much of their identity.Riccardo said the family member allows the gay partner of her child into her home and doesn’t exclude her. Riccardo said his family member has said: “If this person doesn’t come in my house, they may never hear the gospel. ... I want them to encounter Jesus.”
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At the same time, his family member “is very firm and clear with her child,” Riccardo said. She said she tells her child “when you are here, you will not sleep together (with your gay partner) ... because I think that’s harmful and here are the reasons why.”
If that isn't a politician I don't know what is.Moliere wrote:Pope Francis Meets Sex-Abuse Victims, Expresses ‘Solidarity’ for Their Suffering
while also allowing this:
U.S. priests accused of sex abuse get second chance in South America
Why hasn't your country put them in jail?Rip wrote:If that isn't a politician I don't know what is.Moliere wrote:Pope Francis Meets Sex-Abuse Victims, Expresses ‘Solidarity’ for Their Suffering
while also allowing this:
U.S. priests accused of sex abuse get second chance in South America
Because they're not minorities using drugs.GreenGoo wrote:Why hasn't your country put them in jail?
That annoying due process and/or cash payouts.GreenGoo wrote:Why hasn't your country put them in jail?Rip wrote:If that isn't a politician I don't know what is.Moliere wrote:Pope Francis Meets Sex-Abuse Victims, Expresses ‘Solidarity’ for Their Suffering
while also allowing this:
U.S. priests accused of sex abuse get second chance in South America
Another priest we tracked down, Father Federico Fernandez Baeza, was indicted by a grand jury in 1987 on two second-degree felony charges of indecency with a child. A family in San Antonio, Texas accused Fernandez in a civil lawsuit of ritually raping two brothers over a two-year period. Prosecutors dropped the criminal case after the diocese of San Antonio reportedly paid the family more than $1 million.
The Vatican on Saturday fired a monsignor who came out as gay on the eve of a big meeting of the world's bishops to discuss church outreach to gays, divorcees and more traditional Catholic families.
Moliere wrote:Good job Frank, way to show you're different than the previous popes.
Vatican fires gay priest from his post on eve of synod
The Vatican on Saturday fired a monsignor who came out as gay on the eve of a big meeting of the world's bishops to discuss church outreach to gays, divorcees and more traditional Catholic families.
From what I've read, he's not just gay, he's in a relationship (i.e. not remaining celibate). If he had disclosed that he was in a such a relationship with a woman, would he have remained in his position? Should he have immunity from the repercussions of violating his vows just because he's gay?Moliere wrote:Good job Frank, way to show you're different than the previous popes.
Vatican fires gay priest from his post on eve of synod
The Vatican on Saturday fired a monsignor who came out as gay on the eve of a big meeting of the world's bishops to discuss church outreach to gays, divorcees and more traditional Catholic families.
Cover it up for half a century?GreenGoo wrote:In don't understand. The Catholic church has not changed its stance on homosexuality, and it is still considered a sin.
What did you expect would happen?
Me? I'm questioning why this is only being framed in the context of a priest being dismissed from a Vatican postion because he announced that he was gay, when it seems likely that a heterosexual priest who announced to the world that he was in a sexual relationship with a woman would also have been dismissed.GreenGoo wrote:In don't understand. The Catholic church has not changed its stance on homosexuality, and it is still considered a sin.
What did you expect would happen?
Exactly.Max Peck wrote:From what I've read, he's not just gay, he's in a relationship (i.e. not remaining celibate). If he had disclosed that he was in a such a relationship with a woman, would he have remained in his position? Should he have immunity from the repercussions of violating his vows just because he's gay?Moliere wrote:Good job Frank, way to show you're different than the previous popes.
Vatican fires gay priest from his post on eve of synod
The Vatican on Saturday fired a monsignor who came out as gay on the eve of a big meeting of the world's bishops to discuss church outreach to gays, divorcees and more traditional Catholic families.
Well, if only this other male was a child, then we would just see the priest moved to a new parish, right? Not lose his job.Max Peck wrote:From what I've read, he's not just gay, he's in a relationship (i.e. not remaining celibate). If he had disclosed that he was in a such a relationship with a woman, would he have remained in his position? Should he have immunity from the repercussions of violating his vows just because he's gay?Moliere wrote:Good job Frank, way to show you're different than the previous popes.
Vatican fires gay priest from his post on eve of synod
The Vatican on Saturday fired a monsignor who came out as gay on the eve of a big meeting of the world's bishops to discuss church outreach to gays, divorcees and more traditional Catholic families.
Admitting you're dismissing a priest because they were in a legal, consensual sexual relationship is not a huge thing. It doesn't need covering up. Admitting you're dismissing them because they criminally abused minors while hiding behind the cloth is a different matter.Unagi wrote:Well, if only this other male was a child, then we would just see the priest moved to a new parish, right? Not lose his job.Max Peck wrote:From what I've read, he's not just gay, he's in a relationship (i.e. not remaining celibate). If he had disclosed that he was in a such a relationship with a woman, would he have remained in his position? Should he have immunity from the repercussions of violating his vows just because he's gay?Moliere wrote:Good job Frank, way to show you're different than the previous popes.
Vatican fires gay priest from his post on eve of synod
The Vatican on Saturday fired a monsignor who came out as gay on the eve of a big meeting of the world's bishops to discuss church outreach to gays, divorcees and more traditional Catholic families.
Institutionally? Probably. But when you're an individual bishop or cardinal or whatever administrator, hope to cover the whole thing up springs eternal. Especially when you've seen it done successfully before.Rip wrote:I would think admitting you failed to dismiss them because they criminally abused minors while hiding behind the cloth would be even worse.
On Friday, Pope Francis delivered his own “I have a dream” address, in this case dedicated to Europe, calling the continent to undergo a “memory transfusion” to avoid the mistakes of the past and to pursue a future based on economic justice, openness to newcomers, respect for life in all its stages, and dialogue with everyone.
“I dream of a Europe that is young, still capable of being a mother: a mother who has life because she respects life and offers hope for life,” Francis said on Friday, as he was accepting the prestigious Charlemagne Prize, given yearly to personalities or institutions for their efforts towards European unity.
Pope Francis compared media outlets that spread disinformation and cover scandals to smear politicians to people who become aroused by excrement.
In an interview with the Belgian Catholic weekly "Tertio," Francis said scandal-mongering media outlets risk falling prey to coprophilia, or arousal from excrement, and the consumers risk coprophagia, or eating excrement.
"I think the media have to be very clear, very transparent, and not fall into — no offense intended — the sickness of coprophilia, that is, always wanting to cover scandals, covering nasty things, even if they are true," he said, according to Reuters.
"And since people have a tendency towards the sickness of coprophagia, a lot of damage can be done."
The pope also warned that spreading disinformation is "probably the greatest damage that the media can do" because "it directs opinion in only one direction and omits the other part of the truth."
In case you were wondering what the Knights of Malta wear into (bureaucratic) battle these days:The showdown between the Vatican and the Knights of Malta has come to a brusque end, with the leader of the historic sovereign order resigning at the apparent request of Pope Francis.
In a statement Wednesday, the Vatican said the pontiff would also be taking over control of the order with the appointment of a new papal delegate in the coming days.
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The resignation caps an unusually tense month for the prestigious Catholic lay order, which had been openly resisting a Vatican investigation into Festing's firing of one of their top officials. At times it seemed that one of Catholicism's most storied organizations was challenging the authority and power of the pope.