Unless the TIC has a conflicting tee time.The stop-gap spending bill still needs to formally pass the Senate and then the House before being signed by President Donald Trump before government can officially re-open. But that result appears all but assured.
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Re: Shutdown
I keep seeing TIC. Is the TiC? Toddler in Charge? Tweeter in Chief?
And yeah, if his ego isn't sucked enough, I could see him shitting the bed and blaming the staff.
And yeah, if his ego isn't sucked enough, I could see him shitting the bed and blaming the staff.
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Is that going around again? Someone must be pushing it, as it already made the rounds months ago. The Snopes article is an old one because the propaganda is old.LordMortis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:43 pm In answer to what appears to be today's marching orders
https://www.snopes.com/canada-refugee-benefits/
They can't even get their countries correct. *sigh*
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Re: Shutdown
When did the GOP start suddenly caring about federal workers?
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I wonder what kind of uproar there would be if Trump nixed the deal after it reaches his desk...
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Yeah the US wasn't in "shutdown because dreamers" months ago, so they had no reason to take Canadian propaganda and apply it in the US.GreenGoo wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:10 pmIs that going around again? Someone must be pushing it, as it already made the rounds months ago. The Snopes article is an old one because the propaganda is old.LordMortis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:43 pm In answer to what appears to be today's marching orders
https://www.snopes.com/canada-refugee-benefits/
They can't even get their countries correct. *sigh*
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Right, sorry.
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Toddler In Chief I believe. I was rather pleased to be able to use the term Toddler In Chief earlier in the thread. It's one of the few pleasures I get from having such a nonsensical person in the White House.LordMortis wrote:I keep seeing TIC. Is the TiC? Toddler in Charge? Tweeter in Chief?
And yeah, if his ego isn't sucked enough, I could see him shitting the bed and blaming the staff.
Is the CHIP re-authorization included in the agreement? It was shameful that it has been languishing for this long.
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Well, that was certainly a waste.
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Why do the Dems believe the Rep will do anything about the Dreamers in 2 1/2 weeks? If they aren't willing to now with the shutdown they sure as hell wont in 2 1/2 weeks.
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So the Dems basically just caved, amiright? Did they gain anything at all, such as maybe credibility for playing hardball going into the next round of brinksmanship? The way it looks from my cheap seat is that they got blamed for obstructionism and then blinked.
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And now we get to do this whole thing again on Feb 8. Whoopdie-fucking-do.
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Vox on this.Kraken wrote:So the Dems basically just caved, amiright? Did they gain anything at all, such as maybe credibility for playing hardball going into the next round of brinksmanship? The way it looks from my cheap seat is that they got blamed for obstructionism and then blinked.
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So yeah, in exchange for deferring leverage for 3 weeks, they got 6 years of CHIP funded (finally). They may also get even more long-term Latino support, at the cost of short-term immigration hits. As I mentioned upthread however, I agree with YK that immigration isn't necessarily the hill to die on here. The angle to work is fiscal responsibility and paygo - especially in regards to the Wall - if the GOP wants it so badly, set up a dedicated source of funding, don't just add it to the deficit.Zaxxon wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:17 pmVox on this.Kraken wrote:So the Dems basically just caved, amiright? Did they gain anything at all, such as maybe credibility for playing hardball going into the next round of brinksmanship? The way it looks from my cheap seat is that they got blamed for obstructionism and then blinked.
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Dude. The same people who made that pic think snopes is leftist propaganda.
As far as undermining journalism and the truth, they are active participants. And now so are you. Get your shit together or you're going to be the first OO I've ever ignored.
If your goal is to participate, then participate. If your goal is to troll, find better sources. If your goal is to just shit on things constantly, buh-bye.
Sort it out.
As far as undermining journalism and the truth, they are active participants. And now so are you. Get your shit together or you're going to be the first OO I've ever ignored.
If your goal is to participate, then participate. If your goal is to troll, find better sources. If your goal is to just shit on things constantly, buh-bye.
Sort it out.
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Oh please, wouldn't you grow bored of the groupthink love shack that this place would become full of "yes" men. Love shack baby! Then three years down the road you'll all need therapy if Trump wins again.
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And... Resolved that problem.
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You're not hearing me. It's not your "different" opinion that is the problem.
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I made that call this morning.
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Re: Shutdown
Watching the Congressional video --Schumer coordinated motions forcing McConnell to personally object to voting in unanimous consent (1) to approve military pay, (2) to approve 1 more day or (3) the weekend. Vulnerable Democratic Senators were able to make each objection on the record.
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I think putting off the DACA/immigration fixes was the best possible option for the Democrats at this moment. It shows an effort to try and work things out. But if McConnell doesn't get a bill up for a vote by the deadline that's on him. If the "compromise" is harsh on the dreamers, insists on building the wall or else, or is otherwise unacceptable they can play hardball again.
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Does anything other than approval rating stick to this GOP?
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After watching the news, it seems the Democrats get CHIP for 6 years by appearing to give in. And they've narrowed the issues.
So while not good on the public optics of a "shutdown", it's about as much winning as they can get. They've outmaneuvered the GOP at a time Trump would like the headlines to blame the Democrats. Instead, we'll get more stories from porn stars to enrage Trump for a few days.
So while not good on the public optics of a "shutdown", it's about as much winning as they can get. They've outmaneuvered the GOP at a time Trump would like the headlines to blame the Democrats. Instead, we'll get more stories from porn stars to enrage Trump for a few days.
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Zaxxon wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:17 pmVox on this.Kraken wrote:So the Dems basically just caved, amiright? Did they gain anything at all, such as maybe credibility for playing hardball going into the next round of brinksmanship? The way it looks from my cheap seat is that they got blamed for obstructionism and then blinked.
From that Vox article. Could not agree more.The central political problem in American life, for years now, has been that the Republican Party is a dysfunctional institution that has abandoned principles of decent governance in order to please an ever more extreme base. I don’t have an answer for fixing that. But it would be doubly bad if their outrageous behavior drives Democrats to use the same tactics in response. American politics is, hopefully, an infinite game, not a finite game, and that means doing everything possible to steer away from retaliatory loops that clearly lead to the system crumbling.
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Kurth wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:41 amZaxxon wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:17 pmVox on this.Kraken wrote:So the Dems basically just caved, amiright? Did they gain anything at all, such as maybe credibility for playing hardball going into the next round of brinksmanship? The way it looks from my cheap seat is that they got blamed for obstructionism and then blinked.From that Vox article. Could not agree more.The central political problem in American life, for years now, has been that the Republican Party is a dysfunctional institution that has abandoned principles of decent governance in order to please an ever more extreme base. I don’t have an answer for fixing that. But it would be doubly bad if their outrageous behavior drives Democrats to use the same tactics in response. American politics is, hopefully, an infinite game, not a finite game, and that means doing everything possible to steer away from retaliatory loops that clearly lead to the system crumbling.
So the response is to give the Repubs what they want?
Bring on both sides being just as unreasonable... please. Otherwise we wont have a country cause the Democrats will have given it all away.
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Re: Shutdown
GOP got deferment of yet-to-be implemented ACA taxes too. Government actually worked as it's supposed to for once - a win-win compromise.
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Trump tauts 'big' win as Dems 'cave' ....keep it up loudmouth moron.
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42785678
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What an colossal douche. (He says for he hundredth time this week)
As we all know, starting out negotiations by insulting the other side is always the best way to broker a deal that is good for the American people. Such winning!
(Side note: the gleeful and unchecked racism in that Twitter thread makes me weep for the future of this country. That has to be the extreme vocal minority...right?)
As we all know, starting out negotiations by insulting the other side is always the best way to broker a deal that is good for the American people. Such winning!
(Side note: the gleeful and unchecked racism in that Twitter thread makes me weep for the future of this country. That has to be the extreme vocal minority...right?)
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I'm sure a great many of them are Russian bots, too.Skinypupy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:43 am What an colossal douche. (He says for he hundredth time this week)
As we all know, starting out negotiations by insulting the other side is always the best way to broker a deal that is good for the American people. Such winning!
(Side note: the gleeful and unchecked racism in that Twitter thread makes me weep for the future of this country. That has to be the extreme vocal minority...right?)
But, yes. ANYTHING that Trump posts turns into a cascade of memes (on both sides) and racism, usually by the same group of actors.
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This is the key part for me (from the Vox article):Kurth wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:41 amZaxxon wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:17 pmVox on this.Kraken wrote:So the Dems basically just caved, amiright? Did they gain anything at all, such as maybe credibility for playing hardball going into the next round of brinksmanship? The way it looks from my cheap seat is that they got blamed for obstructionism and then blinked.From that Vox article. Could not agree more.The central political problem in American life, for years now, has been that the Republican Party is a dysfunctional institution that has abandoned principles of decent governance in order to please an ever more extreme base. I don’t have an answer for fixing that. But it would be doubly bad if their outrageous behavior drives Democrats to use the same tactics in response. American politics is, hopefully, an infinite game, not a finite game, and that means doing everything possible to steer away from retaliatory loops that clearly lead to the system crumbling.
This seems like a solid reason to take the deal - funding CHIP is a big deal as a policy matter, AND it defuses the "you're putting illegals ahead of American kids" talking point as a political matter, and it's only a three week delay.8) And if Democrats do need to shut down the government in three weeks, they’ll do so with the Children’s Health Insurance Program funded for six years, rather than seeing it weaponized against them. That’s a big deal, both substantively and politically.
The part I don't get is why they didn't just take the deal on Friday. You'd have to argue that McConnell's promise / "intention" was worth the shutdown. But if McConnell doesn't allow a DACA vote, then Democrats can shut down again in three weeks, with CHIP off the table and with a simpler #KeepYourPromise type message.
We'll see, anyway.
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The only negotiating he will be doing is that difficult green on the 14th hole.
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we talking about golf or prostitutes?
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Next thing you know, they'll say the Republicans had invited them over, pushed really hard for legislation, but they asked them to slow it down a little. The republicans agreed, and asked the Democrats to relax by the podium. When they turned around, though, Ryan was there holding his pen out and the Dems felt they had to sign, regardless.Kraken wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:11 pm So the Dems basically just caved, amiright? Did they gain anything at all, such as maybe credibility for playing hardball going into the next round of brinksmanship? The way it looks from my cheap seat is that they got blamed for obstructionism and then blinked.
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