Shutdown

[Blackhawk]

This is what happens when you put all your points into Charisma.

Nope. This is what happens when you have an 11 Charisma and put all your skill points into Deception.

[Kraken]

He's now trying to switch the slogan from "Build the wall" to "Finish the wall". They were even selling signs and t-shirts with that slogan emblazoned on them at his klan rally last night in El Paso.

Optics. It's the only science he believes in.

And that's fine. A year from now let him announce that it's finished. The only people who care are gullible enough to believe him.

One nice side effect of his rob-Peter-to-pay-Paul plan is that Congress will not appreciate having its toes trod upon once again. Congress appropriates money, and they expect it to stay appropriated. Keep on alienating those senators, Donny boy.

[Zarathud]

Every conservative demanding strict construction of the Constitution should be screaming their rage at the mere possibility of President Trump declaring a phony national emergency and diverting appropriations into wasteful government spending that requires the seizure of private land.

But they won't. Because they're hypocrites who believed rumors about Obama but won't even recognize Trump is openly worse in every sense.

[raydude]

He's now trying to switch the slogan from "Build the wall" to "Finish the wall". They were even selling signs and t-shirts with that slogan emblazoned on them at his klan rally last night in El Paso.

Optics. It's the only science he believes in.

And that's fine. A year from now let him announce that it's finished. The only people who care are gullible enough to believe him.

One nice side effect of his rob-Peter-to-pay-Paul plan is that Congress will not appreciate having its toes trod upon once again. Congress appropriates money, and they expect it to stay appropriated. Keep on alienating those senators, Donny boy.

As an added bonus, the next time Republicans mention needing a border wall one can point to clips of Trump saying "It's finished" and asking "why spend money for something that's already complete?"

[LordMortis]

Every conservative demanding strict construction of the Constitution should be screaming their rage at the mere possibility of President Trump declaring a phony national emergency and diverting appropriations into wasteful government spending that requires the seizure of private land.

But they won't. Because they're hypocrites who believed rumors about Obama but won't even recognize Trump is openly worse in every sense.

As far as I can tell they want to go back to the shutdown. I don't care what the press or Congress say. I don't think a Friday surprise is off the table. He is a lightning rod for the vision of the people who elected him and a shutdown will only make them adore him more. They also really want that wall. They see it as some sort of protection mechanism against their tax dollars paying for schooling or medical or I don't know what for illegals. I lose my ability to focus before I get to the leap of their method for getting their illegal fingers in the treasury.

[Alefroth]

I think he's confident enough that he can bypass congress for funding that he will sign it. With the appropriate spin about getting everything he wanted and more, of course.

[El Guapo]

I think he's confident enough that he can bypass congress for funding that he will sign it. With the appropriate spin about getting everything he wanted and more, of course.

That, plus Republicans would likely be less patient with him in a second shutdown. And that he doesn't really need to win the bypass Congress fight, so much as he needs to be seen as taking affirmative steps towards the Wall.

[naednek]

I'm reading that Trump will sign whatever Congress sends him in order to avoid another spanking like he took over the shutdown. Then he will immediately steal money that was appropriated, but not yet spent, for other purposes (emergency relief for CA and PR, but not TX, is being mentioned, as is the army's construction budget). The WH thinks that's more likely to survive a court challenge than the state of emergency route. By the time it's overturned some construction will have begun, whereupon Trump can point to it and tell his followers that he built their wall. They are easily conned by theatrics.

More details on that lovely plan.

The White House is firming up plans to redirect unspent federal dollars as a way of funding President Donald Trump’s border wall without taking the dramatic step of invoking a national emergency.

Done by executive order, this plan would allow the White House to shift money from different budgetary accounts without congressional approval, circumventing Democrats who refuse to give Trump anything like the $5.7 billion he has demanded. Nor would it require a controversial emergency declaration.

The emerging consensus among acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney and top budget officials is to shift money from two Army Corps of Engineers’ flood control projects in Northern California, as well as from disaster relief funds intended for California and Puerto Rico. The plan will also tap unspent Department of Defense funds for military construction, like family housing or infrastructure for military bases, according to three sources familiar with the negotiations.

ya good luck with that. Newsom will fight that to the end. Trump is just mad because Newsom called him out in his State of the State address the other day, and we know how petty Trump gets when his little feelings gets hurt.

[Paingod]

This is what happens when you put all your points into Charisma.

STR: 6
DEX: 4
CON: 7
INT: 4
WIS: 3
CHA: 12

Background: "Born into a wealthy family, this character's parents spent a fortune on having Kobolds imported for their son to kill by holding up a spear as they were pushed onto it. After decades of practice, he's gained a dozen levels and poured every skill point into Bluff..."

Special Note: The only PC to ever drive a Gibbering Mouther insane during a one-on-one debate.

If the US government was in D&D, I'd give him a CE alignment - and the Senate Republicans LE. Democrats would be somewhere in the CN range.

[Remus West]

I'd give the majority of the dems CG.

[Blackhawk]

I'd give the majority of the dems CG.

Nope. A quarter of the dems are NG, a quarter are LG, and a quarter are CG, and that's the problem. The other quarter shift alignment so much that they're back to level 1.

[pr0ner]

And so it begins:

[GreenGoo]

Dance, monkey, dance!

[$iljanus]

Ha ha ha ha, CNN now reporting that Trump aides aren’t sure that Trump will sign spending bill. The Toddler strikes again.

[Remus West]

Are there enough votes to over ride a veto because that would trigger the best twitter tantrum of all time.

[LordMortis]

Ha ha ha ha, CNN now reporting that Trump aides aren’t sure that Trump will sign spending bill. The Toddler strikes again.

[TheMix]

Are there enough votes to over ride a veto because that would trigger the best twitter tantrum of all time.

That's what I'm personally hoping for. He would lose his s$#%. Of course, the bigger question is whether enough Rs would stop supporting him long enough.

[$iljanus]

Trump’s bitch McConnell now says that Toddler will sign bill who will then declare national emergency.

What will the Toddler do in another 5 minutes...

[GreenGoo]

Ha ha ha ha, CNN now reporting that Trump aides aren’t sure that Trump will sign spending bill. The Toddler strikes again.

This has been the case since the deal was announced. Nothing has changed, at least publicly.

[$iljanus]

Ha ha ha ha, CNN now reporting that Trump aides aren’t sure that Trump will sign spending bill. The Toddler strikes again.

This has been the case since the deal was announced. Nothing has changed, at least publicly.

Hey, don’t kill my outrage man. I’ve been waiting for the chance to use the Cape Fear gif.

I do wonder what the over/under is on it being actually signed?

[GreenGoo]

If McConnell tells him to sign it, I expect him to sign it. Whether that happens or not I haven't a clue.

[El Guapo]

I think it's finally gotten into Trump's skull that he can't get a wall via shutdown. But at the same time I suspect that the response from Coulter and the like has convinced him that he can't sweep it under the rug with his base via the "finish the wall" BS.

So it's national emergency time!

[Vorret]

I received an alert from Radio Canada (CBC) that he was going to declare the emergency, they don't usually do that lightly (granted, it's a Canadian corp so who knows)

[LawBeefaroni]

Isn't this essentially the same bill from day 1 of the shutdown? I'd call it a total waste but there has been a lot of ground gained by certain private interests during the shutdown so it was good for some.

[Alefroth]

And so it begins:

They are loving the amount of power they have over the country.

[Skinypupy]

I received an alert from Radio Canada (CBC) that he was going to declare the emergency, they don't usually do that lightly (granted, it's a Canadian corp so who knows)

Trump will sign funding bill, declare national emergency, McConnell says.

President Donald Trump plans to sign a compromise border security measure in conjunction with declaring a national emergency to secure funding for a border wall, ending for now a bitter standoff with Congress over his signature campaign promise but likely sparking a new constitutional dispute.

The news of Trump's decision came via Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, who said he would drop his opposition to the national emergency move in order to advance the government funding measure.

Speaking on the Senate floor Thursday, McConnell sought to reassure lawmakers unsure of the President's position before taking a vote on the plan, which falls short of providing the $5 billion in border wall funding Trump had demanded.

"He has indicated he is prepared to sign the bill. He will also be issuing a national emergency declaration at the same time," McConnell said. "I've indicated to him that I'm going to support the national emergency declaration. So for all of my colleagues, the President will sign the bill. We will be voting on it shortly."

Ah yes, that dire, critical, urgent national emergency that wasn't an emergency until Democrats took control of the house, and that he's be threatening to declare for 3 months now.

[Octavious]

I'm sure Mitch doesn't love this plan. It's opening the door for the dems to turn around and do that with things that actually ARE an emergency. And this will get dragged in courts for ever and ever. So much winning.

[LordMortis]

McConnell is circumventing the law with the law to get what he wants and is willing to use the executive branch emergency powers as a chip, changing the rules of the game forever?

Is it too much to play Gilbert Gottfried on a loop in this thread?

Also can anyone find the quote from McConnell? I really do hate our news to twitter reduction and have no faith in reporting.

Edit:

Found it in video form on CNN. Worst American in my lifetime....

[Octavious]

Well we all know that Mitch is an evil genius, so I'm sure he has a plan around this. My bet is that he doesn't give two craps if this gets stuck in courts as long as he can get the stopgap bill signed now.

[YellowKing]

Dear GOP: You knew he was a snake when you picked him up.

I love that this party now has to deal with the monster they've been coddling.

[Sepiche]

I'll let Drumpf make my argument for me.

Repubs must not allow Pres Obama to subvert the Constitution of the US for his own benefit & because he is unable to negotiate w/ Congress.

[Skinypupy]

There is always a tweet.

[Vorret]

There is always a tweet.

It's mind boggling really, every single thing he says has a tweet from Obama's time. Crazy.

[El Guapo]

I'm sure Mitch doesn't love this plan. It's opening the door for the dems to turn around and do that with things that actually ARE an emergency. And this will get dragged in courts for ever and ever. So much winning.

I'm sure that it's not McConnell's first choice. However, I am also sure that he vastly prefers this to another shutdown.

[em2nought]

I'm afraid Trump might be being told, in regard to 2020, that he doesn't need to secure the porous border just yet if Mitch gets the dims to put on record their support for that ridiculous green new deal with the elimination of all fossil fuels, cows, airplanes, yada, yada, yada.

[El Guapo]

McConnell and Trump are going to feel pretty silly if they spend all their time demonizing the dims ahead of the 2020 election, only to discover at the last minute that they are instead running against the dems.

[em2nought]

McConnell and Trump are going to feel pretty silly if they spend all their time demonizing the dims ahead of the 2020 election, only to discover at the last minute that they are instead running against the dems.

Gonna pick Hillary again? If you don't she'll probably run as an independent as payback.

[El Guapo]

McConnell and Trump are going to feel pretty silly if they spend all their time demonizing the dims ahead of the 2020 election, only to discover at the last minute that they are instead running against the dems.

Gonna pick Hillary again? If you don't she'll probably run as an independent as payback.

I think you missed my clever joke.

[Smoove_B]

I love that this party now has to deal with the monster they've been coddling.

If I'm to believe internet policy scholars, if Trump invokes an emergency, Pelosi (he calls her Nancy) will require a Y/N vote of support for this action - in both the House and the Senate. Nothing would make me happier than to have these weasels on record for supporting funds being shuffled around for a goddamn wall.

[LordMortis]

I love that this party now has to deal with the monster they've been coddling.

If I'm to believe internet policy scholars, if Trump invokes an emergency, Pelosi (he calls her Nancy) will require a Y/N vote of support for this action - in both the House and the Senate. Nothing would make me happier than to have these weasels on record for supporting funds being shuffled around for a goddamn wall.

I thought her name was McGill.